Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 426: Hacks Getting Hacked

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

So with very clear examples of states that will actively stand in the way of funds that would otherwise make their citizen's lives easier I can hardly fault WI for not wanting to make it more likely that they end up in a similar situation.

It's just absolute head-assery to take any idea or ideology you support/oppose and refuse to think about why there may be even the most clear reasons why there is more to it than that. Because if you don't you can be drawn into literally anything.

https://twitter.com/Zeddary/status/1823736795433165062

Lmao

Why did he capitalise endorsement?

Im not one for conspiracy theories but

https://twitter.com/paulleyticks/status/1823645596726780073?s=42&t=fxehLIK9_9kgocxXX3Z48g

kevwaffles posted...

https://twitter.com/Zeddary/status/1823736795433165062

Lmao

I thought his voice was supposed to be completely normal and that guy needed to get his ears checked

kevwaffles posted...

Because if you don't you can be drawn into literally anything.

Partisanship and short sightedness is far more manipulable than principles, actually.

King-making a governor is far more exploitable and dangerous than voting out ineffectual legislators. It feels easier since it's just 1 vote instead of dozens, but it doesn't actually work. It's authoritarian populism.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Florida DoT instead set up a website:

https://roadsarenotforpolitics.com/

Roads are one of the most visible ways that politics happens!!!

Seems to be a leak of a +10 Harris in PA from Quinnipiac coming within the hour...

if true that's definitely an outlier but lmao

A ranked pollster!

Wanna see those cross-tabs.

We also got a new Cook, but it's based on 2 weeks ago so it's worthless lol.

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1823767961489797429?t=1VIyZaCJG4NkcRn8xXRv9g&s=19

It's good results, and I appreciate how Cook works under normal circumstances, but these are hardley normal.

Quinnipiac is pretty good, yeah, but it's had some drastic swings in multiple election cycles. I'm going to smile, for sure. But it's going to be a half-smile.

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1823774522744430786?t=Ya4Qjn44fwY79OZVhkkUag&s=19

Trying to limit the existing power of the Governor's office because you lost it and slipping those questions onto a primary ballot with expected low Dem turnout due to Dems mostly running uncontested is some grade A scummy shit.
No argument to be had about it.

not the onion

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1823737349437546846

Quinnipiac poll is 48/45 Harris lol.

48 - 45 = 10, everyone knows this

Lol people were talking out their ass, wonder who started that rumor because everyone and their mother was talking about it in the major accounts.

https://twitter.com/umichvoter/status/1823783104583966821?t=8J1-FPn7fLwhnp5aRM3hzw&s=19

This is much more believable, at least!

Thorn posted...

not the onion

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1823737349437546846

It's Politico. Their owner sent out a mass email last year asking their employees to pray for Trump's victory.

The split for in-person on election day voting between Dems and Pubs never ceases to amaze me

42 Harris 51 Trump

Interestingly, that pulling out to include Kennedy actually shows him evenly splitting the PA votes.

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1823785429755421039?t=cJJp8puZVXfChrpIOGr4qg&s=19

1 in 100 Kennedy voters says "fuck you both"

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percent

https://twitter.com/ccadelago/status/1823778511213224211?t=_JO58pKODDaMxJMajEHDDA&s=19

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b97d8fe1.jpg

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1823788502980735158?t=kkGOiPSQ7VRuiOVBuC-P4Q&s=19

https://youtu.be/Nl_Qyk9DSUw?si=yZctYm8QZUAcEahi

I feel like the ads for Trump and Kamala are in stark contrasts where Kamala ads speak her up as a worthy person to be president while all Trump ads just seem to attack Kamala and the immigration policy. It's quite jarring. If Trump has any chance, he needs to start making a case for he is the better candidate and not why the other candidate is just worse.

Corrik7 posted...

If Trump has any chance, he needs to start making a case for he is the better

He doesn't have a case that isn't just racism.

Bruh

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1823792699306336556?t=UGdFEgC5X_fvTaZZbHl6AQ&s=19

UshiromiyaEva posted...

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1823788502980735158?t=kkGOiPSQ7VRuiOVBuC-P4Q&s=19

https://youtu.be/Nl_Qyk9DSUw?si=yZctYm8QZUAcEahi

Other than the "per year" part (absolutely hilarious mistake), that's actually about right. The average new car sells for just over $48k.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1823788502980735158?t=kkGOiPSQ7VRuiOVBuC-P4Q&s=19

https://youtu.be/Nl_Qyk9DSUw?si=yZctYm8QZUAcEahi

Finally somebody uses that meme correctly!

Corrik7 posted...

If Trump has any chance, he needs to start making a case for he is the better candidate and not why the other candidate is just worse.

He has been trying some fun things like the no tax on tips thing. But it's hard to imagine anyone voting him for that kind of stuff compared to white nationalism and anti-woke stuff

Maybe i'm just ignorant to the issue but this no tax on tips things has me confused.

Are tips considered a part of their income? If they are, then why are we giving them a break on taxes?

Xeybozn posted...

Other than the "per year" part (absolutely hilarious mistake), that's actually about right. The average new car sells for just over $48k.

Right, that's the average of the sale prices of new cars this past month. People are choosing to pay for significantly more expensive models than they need.

Last year I bought a new Chevy Bolt. It was right around 30k out the door, a bit more than I wanted to spend, but supply of the '23 bolts were dwindling.

After buying it outright (which I recognize not everyone is in a position to do, so i'm fortunate for that) I was able to apply for a $7500 rebate from California and a $3000 rebate from my county. It took 6-8 months but that's 10.5k that was recouped in cash. That's not counting the federal tax credit of up to $7500. Now unfortunately my income wasn't high enough to qualify for that full credit since it's non refundable and can only be applied against tax owed. Still that worked out to around a $6000 credit.

More than half the cost of the car (which already was in the 30k range, not 50k) was refunded within a year. Just took doing a few extra hours of research and not committing to a more expensive car than I actually needed.

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The highest selling car right now is the Ford F-150 which has a suggested price range of 37k - 78k depending on the model. So you're potentially paying double the base price depending on the model and bells/whistles.

Obellisk posted...

Are tips considered a part of their income? If they are, then why are we giving them a break on taxes?

Yes. It's just a nice sounding idea that appeals to workers without actually promising any significant benefit. It would barely be a drop in taxes, especially compared to his $400 bil in corporate bailouts.

But also there's near 0% chance any populist idea he has will get enacted. Either he succeeds in fascism and all these little things don't matter, or he fails and he's a lame duck president who has no reason to do anything popular since he's gonna die soon anyway.

Kamala casually promised it too, which shows how insignificant of a policy it actually is.

Obellisk posted...

Maybe i'm just ignorant to the issue but this no tax on tips things has me confused.

Are tips considered a part of their income? If they are, then why are we giving them a break on taxes?

To win Nevada, duh

Currently swirling that LaCivita is going to be fired and frankly I think, for Trump's sake, that would be a bad call! Obviously his campaign is in a bad place, but that's his fault, not his managers. What can anyone else due to make him act differently? All it does is make him look even more shook up than he does already.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Currently swirling that LaCivita is going to be fired and frankly I think, for Trump's sake, that would be a bad call! Obviously his campaign is in a bad place, but that's his fault, not his managers. What can anyone else due to make him act differently? All it does is make him look even more shook up than he does already.

Where is this swirling from

Obellisk posted...

Maybe i'm just ignorant to the issue but this no tax on tips things has me confused.

Are tips considered a part of their income? If they are, then why are we giving them a break on taxes?

There are states that are allowed to pay tipped employees as low as $2.13 an hour. The justification is that they will still make a living wage once tips are taken into account, but that doesn't factor in any withholding that needs to be taken to meet obligations for FICA or Federal Tax Withholding so it isn't unheard of for the tipped employee to not receive any portion of their base pay because it ALL has to be applied towards FICA/etc.

Scenario:

Employee works 40 hours and would be paid $85.2 in wages.
During those 40 hours the employee receives $914.80 in tips (which will vary wildly from week to week based on a number of factors) bringing their earnings for the week a nice even $1000.

12.4% needs to be withheld for social security
2.9% needs to be withheld for Medicare
Some % needs to be withheld for federal taxes depending on their W-4 filing information (might be 0% if income is low and dependents are present)

So that's $153 that needs to be withheld. Now my understanding (which might not be 100% accurate and might vary from state to state?) is that the employee would receive a "paycheck" for $0.00. The employee would not be required to pay the employer the remaining $64.80, but the employer would have to keep track and roll that deficit forward to the next "paycheck".

Let's imagine at least some of that is wrong, but I think the general principle is correct. The end result being that it is very possible to earn enough tips in that low wage situation that you effectively no longer have a paycheck, just a statement letting you know that your entire wages (such as they are) got sent to the government.

And then you, the employee still need to keep track of how much they are receiving throughout the year so they can (A) report it accurately and (B) make sure they set aside enough of it to pay federal taxes on it (preferably 4x during the year as quarterly prepayments so they don't get penalized for NOT making quarterly payments)

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So it becomes a huge mess. And when you have a predominately young and financially illiterate demographic you have a recipe for disaster.

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But it's true that the proposal to not tax tips doesn't really fix that. The proposal would be to not federally tax tips, but it would still be subject to social security and medicare which would STILL be enough to eat the entire paycheck in that $2.13 scenario.

It also doesn't do anything for the poorest people who's total income is already too low to be above the threshold to even OWE federal taxes. It would do the most good for people who are making decent money AND receiving tips versus the people who are actually struggling to survive.

It's also why both campaigns brought up the issue in Nevada, a state that has a $12 minimum wage for both tipped and non-tipped employees and a state that has a massive hospitality industry in Vegas so many people there will actually see a reduction in taxes as a result of the change. No so much in Alabama and Georgia which both use the $2.13 federally mandated minimum (as well as a dozen other states).

Not sure if that provides helpful clarification, but it's also why the difference between Trump and Harris is still important. Trump said "No Tax on Tips", Harris said "Increase Minimum Wage and No Tax on Tips"

Now i dont know if this would include pulling the tipped minimum wage up to match the untipped wage (7.25 federally atm) or if they would still be leaving a divide between the two. But either way the change to minimum wage would be doing significantly more heavy lifting for those who need relief the most.

https://twitter.com/kamalahq/status/1823779654550814881?s=42&t=fxehLIK9_9kgocxXX3Z48g

https://twitter.com/MilkmanMeme/status/1823791637744771381

wallmasterz posted...

https://twitter.com/kamalahq/status/1823779654550814881?s=42&t=fxehLIK9_9kgocxXX3Z48g

In fairness he has begun to change his tune on that. (probably because his campaign advisors finally convinced him that lots of REPUBLICANS like to vote early)

He has of course many many times called early voting "stealing the election" and "a hoax"

On May 11 in New Jersey he said "Get an absentee or mail-in ballot, vote early or vote on Election Day".
Though in that same speech is also called mail-in voting "largely corrupt" so you can take that with a grain of salt.

Going to guess his advisors have been in his ear about it a lot this year and forced him to lead by example here.

Xeybozn posted...

Other than the "per year" part (absolutely hilarious mistake), that's actually about right. The average new car sells for just over $48k.

I mean...

https://www.ford.com/

Ford has three cars that start around $30k.

https://www.tesla.com/modely

Tesla Model Y starts at $31,490. Listing a Tesla specifically, because among electric cars only Tesla has a well-developed cross-country grid of super-chargers (so with any other electric car you would be limited in how far you could go on a road trip).

And this is just the official asking price--if you wait for the right time of year (typically when the models for the next year are about to be shipped) you can usually get a decent discount. Like...when I bought a Ford 14 years ago, the official asking price was like...I wanna say $17,000, but I paid $13,000. Scale that up for inflation, and I would imagine I could probably shop around and get something for $23,000 today if I did it at the right time of year and haggled a bit.

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Yes, of course, you can get something bigger and more expensive, you can buy a luxury brand, you can get a sports car, an SUV, a high horsepower flatbed truck. You can pay more for extras that are not default on all versions of a model. So I could totally believe that factoring in people who buy like...SUVs from luxury brands with all the extras is going to bring the "average" price up.

But like...if you're on a budget, you can definitely get a new car for much cheaper.

metroidcomposite posted...

when I bought a Ford 14 years ago

lol

In that time manufacturers have been investing only in SUVs and trucks, due to special CAFE standard exemptions that make them more profitable. People have been buying them up like mad due to an arms race of safety on the road. Money isn't cheap anymore so you don't get the discounts and low rates.

Of course you can go against the grain and get something cheaper, and many do. Many can't even afford car ownership altogether. But the economic incentive has been heavy towards trucks and SUVs, which is where this average comes from.

Isn't the average new car bought today not a midsize sedan anymore and actually a midsize SUV? Hell, it's probably a truck in a decent swath of the country. That right there is a big chunk of the reason why the average price of a new car has soared; people are buying a more expensive style of vehicle.

I absolutely hate trucks and suvs so let's trend back towards regular sized vehicles kthx

Also a Model Y starts at $45k. They advertise the lower price due to fuel savings and the EV credit. The base one sucks so you're definitely paying $5k more for the upgraded one too.

FFDragon posted...

I absolutely hate trucks and suvs so let's trend back towards regular sized vehicles kthx

Repeal the Bush-Obama CAFE regulations of 2009

Vance finally accepted a debate.

https://twitter.com/Tim_Walz/status/1823824781873176770?t=fhmwzXCix7wPAEsft0aYNw&s=19

let's trend back to vehicles the same size as or smaller than the 2013 hyundai santa fe, the perfect car

foolm0r0n posted...

Repeal the Bush-Obama CAFE regulations of 2009

Or we could just fix the "light truck" exemption/loophole. There's no good reason to exempt them from mileage/emissions standards, especially now that "light trucks" are most of the new car market rather than a niche.

Chaeix posted...

let's trend back to vehicles the same size as or smaller than the 2013 hyundai santa fe, the perfect car

I have 2 kids and a dog, the Santa Fe doesn't cut it, lol.

Have always been on team small-car, picked up a Civic in 2019 and I assume I'll be driving that until the day I die. Just passed 5k miles so it's not out of the question lol
Was around mid 20s and looks like those have stayed around the same price, plenty of relatively cheap reliable options out there. Although they got rid of their fun color options, bummer.