Current Events > Kamala Harris responds to protesters

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Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

POLITICIANS WORK FOR US. not the other way around.

By us, do you mean the people who are working to support Kamala and help her aid them or the ones who will criticize her no matter what she does? Because it feels like you're telling us she should only listen to the protesters and not her supporters.

Humble_Novice posted...

By us, do you mean the people who are working to support Kamala and help her aid them or the ones who will criticize her no matter what she does? Because it feels like you're telling us she should only listen to the protesters and not her supporters.

By Us i mean any constituency for a politician. including those protesting the Gaza Genocide. They are democratic voters just like you or I. They are trying to leverage their power to stop children from being slaughtered.

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

POLITICIANS WORK FOR US. not the other way around.

And by "us" you are including the people their who have their own grievances and concerns and were there to hear Kamala speak?

Humble_Novice posted...

By us, do you mean the people who are working to support Kamala and help her aid them or the ones who will criticize her no matter what she does? Because it feels like you're telling us she should only listen to the protesters and not her supporters.

Frustrating huh. I don't readily employ my ignore list, but these topics are a time for me to consider it...

CE's still spending more time criticizing protesters than they are criticizing those in power who are funding and arming an apartheid state that is killing children by the thousands, is actively starving a population, and has detained thousands without charges in internment camps whilst subjecting them to torture and rape.

Harris isn't going to be working for anyone if she is jailed by President Trump

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

im done trying to explain to you the value of protests and how/why they work

You never attempted this. I already know how that works.

Problem is I asked you a question you could not answer. What can Kamala do right now?
She is not president she can't and you know it.

Second, let us say she doesn't give a plan. So Trump is good? They have the privilege to be ok with Trump?

Therein lies the issue. These are to appear as having such a great stake in all this, yet they are ok with a Trump win. It doesn't add up.

The logical thing to do is elect Kamala then protest her and currently protest Biden but don't try to get Trump elected.
You said it yourself, Trump will NOT budge.

Hornezz posted...

CE's still spending more time criticizing protesters than they are criticizing those in power who are funding and arming an apartheid state that is killing children by the thousands, is actively starving a population, and has detained thousands without charges in internment camps whilst subjecting them to torture and rape.

Yep

WingsOfGood posted...

You never attempted this. I already know how that works.

Problem is I asked you a question you could not answer. What can Kamala do right now?
She is not president she can't and you know it.

Second, let us say she doesn't give a plan. So Trump is good? They have the privilege to be ok with Trump?

Therein lies the issue. These are to appear as having such a great stake in all this, yet they are ok with a Trump win. It doesn't add up.

The logical thing to do is elect Kamala then protest her and currently protest Biden but don't try to get Trump elected.
You said it yourself, Trump will NOT budge.

They most likely don't have an effective answer for your question. It's sort of like asking a prison abolitionist what they intend to do about dangerous criminals who refuse to be rehabilitated after committing murder or rape.

A little tidbit of history

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/31/trump-to-cut-all-us-funding-for-uns-main-palestinian-refugee-programme

US confirms end to funding for UN Palestinian refugees

Trump administration to pull support for essential services helping 5 million people

The Trump administration has announced it will cut all US funding for the main UN programme for Palestinian refugees, a move with potentially devastating impacts for five million people who rely on its schools, healthcare, and social services.
The United States will no longer commit further funding to this irredeemably flawed operation, the US State Department said in a statement, adding it was not willing to shoulder the very disproportionate share of the burden for the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA).

Remember this?

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

So when should people protest? How should they protest? Biden just essentially spent the last year giving Netenyahu a blank check, with absolutely NO push back. He is further right than a lot of republicans in his unconditional support for israel. Both parties are horrid on this issue and are operating against what the vast majority of americans want when it comes to this issue. "shutup and take it" is not a good way to respond to these protests. It's wild how so many people on CE who claim to progressive have absolutely no empathy for the Palestinian and Muslim community living in America.

Politicians work for US, not the other way around. Protests are designed to PRESSURE a politician or party to change their posture on any given issue. This is a REALLY fucking important humanitarian issue directly involving t he US. They absolutely have the right to protest and are in the RIGHT.

Enjoy another 4 years of Trump then. She's already called for a ceasefire. What they are doing is so short sighted.

WingsOfGood posted...

Problem is I asked you a question you could not answer. What can Kamala do right now?
She is not president she can't and you know it.

again. SHE IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. she will be president for at least 4 years if elected, and the conflict will still be ongoing
WingsOfGood posted...

Second, let us say she doesn't give a plan. So Trump is good? They have the privilege to be ok with Trump?

NO. I have explained this so many times to YOU specifically.
WingsOfGood posted...

Therein lies the issue. These are to appear as having such a great stake in all this, yet they are ok with a Trump win. It doesn't add up.

NO again. They are not GOP voters, why the fuck would you try and push a political party you have no intention of voting for? They are pushing their own party because they're not fucking stupid.

Sonixs posted...

Enjoy another 4 years of Trump then. She's already called for a ceasefire. What they are doing is so short sighted.

calling for a ceasefire is a good start, as was her speech last week. But I don't take a politician's word as gospel. Especially with an issue like this that has been so one-sided in the eyes of congress for decades

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

again. SHE IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. she will be president for at least 4 years if elected, and the conflict will still be ongoing

So why protest her now before then?
To have Trump win is the only reason

Day 1 of her presidency you can march on the whitehouse or whatever

but saying "gimme what I want now or Trump wins" is nonsense

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

NO again. They are not GOP voters, why the f*** would you try and push a political party you have no intention of voting for? They are pushing their own party because they're not f***ing stupid

All this does is only help Trump

As you yourself said, they are applying pressure

Hornezz posted...

CE's still spending more time criticizing protesters than they are criticizing those in power who are funding and arming an apartheid state that is killing children by the thousands, is actively starving a population, and has detained thousands without charges in internment camps whilst subjecting them to torture and rape.

I regularly participate in rallies, am in several mutual aid groups and lend my skillset to local organizer groups.

I think it is extremely sketch for any "pro-Gaza" poster to be putting their efforts into finding fault with literally anything the Democrats do while ignoring the very real fact that the Trump administration gave Israel more wins than they've had in decades.

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

NO again. They are not GOP voters, why the f*** would you try and push a political party you have no intention of voting for? They are pushing their own party because they're not f***ing stupid.

In the other topic about this I've specifically made the point that this isn't true.

I've never heard of protesters who are only interested in yelling at the moderate side of the issue, while having no issues with the party who is most aligned against them.

Explain why protests happen at the Supreme Court. I'm pretty sure they aren't expecting Thomas and Alito to be moved by the demonstration so much that they change their opinions.

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

But I don't take a politician's word as gospel.

Ok then your standard is impossible to meet because you have to take them at their word until they actually have the power to execute their agenda.

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

Nobody is advocating for trump. He is honestly f***ing irrelevant with this topic. The protestors want the democratic party to give some concrete proposals that show they will work to quell the genocide. Thats IT.

Or what?

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

But I don't take a politician's word as gospel.

So then she could literally do nothing to appease? She could say everything that is desired but it won't help?

So Kamala has to wrestle Biden and force him to cave to these demands or we get Trump?

So is FIn Dawg a Chud or what? I'm heavily leaning to him being disingenuous and badfaith. Let me know so I can block.

Voidgolem posted...

Or what?

Or she will likely ignore them and get elected anyway

luigi33 posted...

So is FIn Dawg a Chud or what? I'm heavily leaning to him being disingenuous and badfaith. Let me know so I can block.

yeah go ahead, block me for saying the people protesting a genocide have the absolute right to do so

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

Or she will likely ignore them and get elected anyway

then you agree this was a waste of time and effort

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

saying the people protesting a genocide have the absolute right to do so

no one said they don't have the right to do so

it is just extremely stupid or not genuine

and therefore we all have the right to criticize and call them out which apparently was your issue at first

At this point you're either voting against Trump or you don't actually care how many people are dying. Zero middle ground. Especially since Trump has all but promised to help wipe out Palestinians completely.

Note how these very particular type of protesters never seem to protest any GOP gathering.

None of this is implying that what's going on overseas right now isn't a genocide, but if you're trying to get in the way of the one party that could be convinced to stop it and risk the party who wants the genocide to happen win...

Then what are you actually protesting?

a proposal is just words and you said:

But I don't take a politician's word as gospel.

I see you deleted that, guess you realized the logical inconsistency

Voidgolem posted...

then you agree this was a waste of time and effort

No, I think they should do everything they can to try and put a stop to the genocide.

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

No, I think they should do everything they can to try and put a stop to the genocide.

this does not accomplish that in any meaningful capacity

WingsOfGood posted...

a proposal is just words and you said:

I see you deleted that, guess you realized the logical inconsistency

Lmfao

Fucking cooked that dude.

Umbreon posted...

Note how these very particular type of protesters never seem to protest any GOP gathering.

it is quite odd isn't it

you would think Trump using Palestinian as a literal slur multiple times would call for some protests and ire against him
but nope gotta go heckle Kamala.....

Voidgolem posted...

this does not accomplish that in any meaningful capacity

so what will?

Umbreon posted...

Note how these very particular type of protesters never seem to protest any GOP gathering.

meanwhile actual leftists where getting hit with tear gas to protests trumps fascism

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

No, I think they should do everything they can to try and put a stop to the genocide.

That would involve actively supporting kamala harris for president

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

so what will?

Don't know. Harm reduction would dictate that first we make sure we don't end up with the candidate who wants to turn Gaza into a parking lot, though.

You are not going to -get- much more than that at this point due to the overall state of american politics. Take the little wins.

Many of these televised pro-Palestine protestors have to be Republican plants. By now I'm sure even they have heard of Project 2025 and what it could do to them.

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

so what will?

Honestly the best thing activists could do is try to get the majority of Americans to support Palestine over Israel as is the case in many other countries. Politicians like winning elections, so get the majority of the electorate to be pro-Palestine.

then again to be fair with the type of people at Trump rallies might not be a good idea for some of the protestors to go there, as in his supporters are dangerous

still

BrohammedAli posted...

I think it is extremely sketch for any "pro-Gaza" poster to be putting their efforts into finding fault with literally anything the Democrats do while ignoring the very real fact that the Trump administration gave Israel more wins than they've had in decades.

Trump is not in the White House. Biden and Harris are, and have been since the outbreak of this current war. For the first months of the war it wasn't even certain that Trump would be the nominee.

Protesting those who have the power to make a change makes more sense than protesting those who don't.

ssjevot posted...

Honestly the best thing activists could do is try to get the majority of Americans to support Palestine over Israel as is the case in many other countries. Politicians like winning elections, so get the majority of the electorate to be pro-Palestine.

hell the winds of change are already sweeping threw america on this subject

when real actual protestors are speaking up that is

"She just hasn't earned my vote!"

ssjevot posted...

Honestly the best thing activists could do is try to get the majority of Americans to support Palestine over Israel as is the case in many other countries. Politicians like winning elections, so get the majority of the electorate to be pro-Palestine.

Yeah i agree. and there has been a significant shift in the last year or two with the overall american consensus regarding the conflict. But many of the muslim american protestors in Michigan is pretty desperate, understandably so considering both political parties in America have stood by and let this genocide happen (not to mention consistently funding and supporting the apartheid for decades). I think they are in a very difficult position and I support them using whatever influence they have to try and get some assurances.

Hornezz posted...

Trump is not in the White House. Biden and Harris are, and have been since the outbreak of this current war. For the first months of the war it wasn't even certain that Trump would be the nominee.

Yeah this "current war" didn't break out during the Biden administration.

Even if you don't want to include this as just a extension of the Gazan war of 2014, Israel has been making violent incursions into Palestinian territory throughout the 2010s and 2020s.

I understand if last year is just when when you started paying attention though :3

Hornezz posted...

Trump is not in the White House.

He was for four years.
What did he do for Gaza?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/31/trump-to-cut-all-us-funding-for-uns-main-palestinian-refugee-programme

US confirms end to funding for UN Palestinian refugees

Trump administration to pull support for essential services helping 5 million people

The Trump administration has announced it will cut all US funding for the main UN programme for Palestinian refugees, a move with potentially devastating impacts for five million people who rely on its schools, healthcare, and social services.
The United States will no longer commit further funding to this irredeemably flawed operation, the US State Department said in a statement, adding it was not willing to shoulder the very disproportionate share of the burden for the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA).

"Nooo Noooo let us not remember anything like that...IRRELEVANT!!!"

BrohammedAli posted...

Yeah this "current war" didn't break out during the Biden administration.

Even if you don't want to include this as just a extension of the Gazan war of 2014, Israel has been making violent incursions into Palestinian territory throughout the 2010s and 2020s.

Let's compare the deaths of the last year to whole 30 years before it.

Ricemills posted...

Let's compare the deaths of the last year to whole 30 years before it.

yeah because that's definitely how wars work.

simple question what do ppl think will happen to palestine if trump wins

WingsOfGood posted...

then again to be fair with the type of people at Trump rallies might not be a good idea for some of the protestors to go there, as in his supporters are dangerous

still

They're willing to gamble Gaza and Ukraine. Why can't they risk their own well being?

Humble_Novice posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4b0361d5.jpg

Also to the second response in the picture; I fucking hate this brain dead idiot thinking. This is exactly the problem with trying to "worst thing imaginable" and labeling something with the worst word you can think of. It's becomes a thought terminating word and a club to bash hit other people over the head with.

Not only that, but "How could it be any worse" is the preamble to you looking like a big stupid dumbass when it actually does. You know what leftist probably said about Lyndon B. Johnson because of the Vietnam War, I bet it was "Nixon can't possibly be any worse". And oh he slowly marched out of Vietnam while his administration carried out carpet bombings of Cambodia, and then he started the War on Drugs.

simple question what do ppl think will happen to palestine if trump wins

Oh, something like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9rFta7UHQY

AceMos posted...

simple question what do ppl think will happen to palestine if trump wins

avoiding any thought to the reality of Trump 2nd term is the whole point of this argument

note the guy arguing with me already said Trump was irrelevant to this topic. imagine that