Current Events > Kamala Harris responds to protesters

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Humble_Novice posted...

If so, wouldn't that be on the group for not keeping a tighter leash on their members?

not every arab/muslim-american, or anti-Genocidal advocate in Michigan are directly associated with that group.

WingsOfGood posted...

think about it this way

this isn't the same as protesting Biden, she is not the sitting president

so what do they want?
They want her to commit to their demands or...they will not vote for her?

So in other words Kamala must unconditional concede or they will let Trump win.
And Trump will deport them and bomb the shit out of their countries.

And you ask, "why attacking these protestors?"
If it is genuine it is stupid

I don't think this is genuine however

I agree. Plus, we have to accept the fact that not every American concerned about Palestine is willing to vote for Kamala. Some are already committed to staying at home or voting for Jill Stein no matter what. Instead, Kamala and Walz ought to focus more on negotiating with non-committed voters who are willing to work alongside them while delving on other issues like abortion, gay rights, the threat of Project 2025, etc.

WingsOfGood posted...

Kamala isn't the president. She can't make Biden do anything.

Protesting her at this time does nothing but help Trump....who will deport and bomb said countries himself.

SHES RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT lol

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

not every arab/muslim-american, or anti-Genocidal advocate in Michigan are directly associated with that group.

My dude she can't personally meet with literally every voter in Michigan

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

So until she proposes some concrete policy, such as conditional support, the pressure should remain.

So in other words these people aren't effected by Trump and 100% ok with everything Trump will do

therefore they are not genuine

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

SHES RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT lol

She isn't president. If they protest her after she takes office that would make sense.

Currently they should be protesting Biden if they want immediate changes. Kamala can't really do anything as VP other than have talk with Biden but he doesn't even have to listen.

Threatening to not vote for Kamala just proves this is not genuine as Trump will deport them and bomb these countries himself.

WingsOfGood posted...

I don't think this is genuine however

At the end of the day it doesn't matter to me if those particular protesters were genuine.

But the people who definitely aren't genuine are the ones online who have obviously just been waiting around with the bucket of cold water ready to throw on the Harris campaign when the time was right. They wanted to throw it a few days ago hoping she was picking Kelly or Shapiro.

Shadow_Don posted...

My dude she can't personally meet with literally every voter in Michigan

no, I was responding to the comment that the protestors were acting in bad faith because Kamala met with leaders of that group beforehand. We don't even know if they are involved with that group. It's silly to say they must obviously be acting in bad faith since Kamala met with the leaders of a group (that may or may not have anything to do with those protestors tonight)

WingsOfGood posted...

so you watched the whole rally and know she didn't do this or you just want to criticize her because the opening has been made to do so??

did you watch the video on this?

Yes I watched the whole rally live, she didn't mention anything about Palestine. The districts near this rally are home to the highest population of Palestinian Americans.

It's just bad politics. She should have known this would happen at her rallies and have prepared a tactful response. She met with the Uncommited group clearing an already low bar, so it should've been easy to respond tactfully and look good doing it instead of lashing out like she did. It's a fucking layup. Not many people are going to read that article of her meeting with the group, but a lot more people are definitely going to see that clip.

Turtlemayor333 posted...

At the end of the day it doesn't matter to me if those particular protesters were genuine.

But the people who definitely aren't genuine are the ones online who have obviously just been waiting around with the bucket of cold water ready to throw on the Harris campaign when the time was right. They wanted to throw it a few days ago hoping she was picking Kelly or Shapiro.

correct

the people who went month after month on the Genocide Joe schtick were most likely salivating and biding their time

WingsOfGood posted...

So in other words these people aren't effected by Trump and 100% ok with everything Trump will do

therefore they are not genuine

No idea how you concluded that from anything i said.

WingsOfGood posted...

So in other words these people aren't effected by Trump and 100% ok with everything Trump will do

therefore they are not genuine

I'd say anyone willing to gamble with another Trump victory was either too young to fully grasp the long lasting implications of his first term, or they are in some way at peace with the idea of him winning. There's just not many rational explanations I can come up with for it

Turtlemayor333 posted...

At the end of the day it doesn't matter to me if those particular protesters were genuine.

But the people who definitely aren't genuine are the ones online who have obviously just been waiting around with the bucket of cold water ready to throw on the Harris campaign when the time was right. They wanted to throw it a few days ago hoping she was picking Kelly or Shapiro.

Yes, there are a number of grifters like Briahna Joy Gray who are looking to profit from the outrage of leftists. They gain nothing by allowing them to feel hopeful about Kamala, thus leading them to stir up the pot and make things harder, so to speak.

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

No idea how you concluded that from anything i said.

You said:

So until she proposes some concrete policy, such as conditional support, the pressure should remain.

What pressure?
Oh you mean the pressure that Trump wins and he deports them and bombs their country

what else would you mean?

WingsOfGood posted...

You said:

What pressure?
Oh you mean the pressure that Trump wins and he deports them and bombs their country

what else would you mean?

Both parties are historically unconditionally supportive or Israel. One party has shown some malleability on this issue in the last couple of years, the other obviously will never change their stance. Why would people waste their time protesting Trump, that's like going to a trump rally protesting the 2nd amendment. Just a foolish proposition. They are using the power of civil protest to sway the policy of the potential upcoming Kamala Harris administration. On top of that, as I have pointed out before, the majority of muslim americans are democratic voters. By deflecting to Trump you are dismissing the very thing they are protesting.

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

The democratic stance and Republican stance on Israel has been the SAME for decades lol. The democrats at least have shown some signs they MAY be willing to shift their stance, hence the additional pressure. This is an ongoing GENOCIDE that continues claiming lives daily. It's so weird so many people ITT are attacking these protestors. Many of which who are arab-american who have direct ties to those in Gaza and the west bank

Many Republicans don't support two-state.

what does protesting her in this way accomplish besides getting you internet good boy points from the controversy farms?

Diceheist posted...

Many Republicans don't support two-state.

sure, I meant more from the standpoint of unlimited financial backing

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

Both parties are historically unconditionally supportive or Israel. One party has shown some malleability on this issue in the last couple of years, the other obviously will never change their stance. Why would people waste their time protesting Trump, that's like going to a trump rally protesting the 2nd amendment. Just a foolish proposition. They are using the power of civil protest to sway the policy of the potential upcoming Kamala Harris administration. On top of that, as I have pointed out before, the majority of muslim americans are democratic voters. By deflecting to Trump you are dismissing the very thing they are protesting.

Uses Palestinian as a literal slur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YfQbQqIxTM

says Gaza is the world's largest terrorist haven
says refugees from Gaza would create an October terrorist attack here in America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKGhuXMSTLU

in no way are these two on the same level, and yet you think it makes sense to pressure Kamala with the threat of this man winning?

WingsOfGood posted...

in no way are these two on the same level, and yet you think it makes sense to pressure Kamala with the threat of this man winning?

You keep missing my entire point. There is no point in protesting the republicans because they will NOT budge. That being said, there have been plenty of protests in Red states and directed at republican politicians. The reason the focus of the pressure is the democratic party is because there is the possibility of change there.

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

You keep missing my entire point. There is no point in protesting the republicans because they will NOT budge

protesting Kamala doesn't make Biden budge either, it only serves to help Trump who literally HATES Palestinians

he will deport and bomb them

Bleuets posted...

She seems to come off a bit harsh and alienating IMO.

I probably would have responded differently. but what do I know, Im not running for president.

Imagine placating to terminally online leftist. AN -EXTREMELY- small portion of a portion of a portion of leftists. Career politicians would eat you for breakfast.

WingsOfGood posted...

Uses Palestinian as a literal slur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YfQbQqIxTM

says Gaza is the world's largest terrorist haven
says refugees from Gaza would create an October terrorist attack here in America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKGhuXMSTLU

in no way are these two on the same level, and yet you think it makes sense to pressure Kamala with the threat of this man winning?

One thing the protesters tend to neglect is that bullying Kamala and making her cow to them will only make her look like a weak leader in front of the media. Do we really need to give them more fodder for the content mill?

WingsOfGood posted...

protesting Kamala doesn't make Biden budge either, it only serves to help Trump who literally HATES Palestinians

he will deport and bomb them

theyre not trying to get biden to budge (anymore) they are focusing on Kamala's potential presidency

Humble_Novice posted...

Do we really need to give them more fodder for the content mill?

If you want Trump to win then yes

and that is why she called them out on it

and they are very likely not genuine

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

theyre not trying to get biden to budge (anymore) they are focusing on Kamala's potential presidency

She has to win for that to matter

see my point?

WingsOfGood posted...

She has to win for that to matter

see my point?

Their choices are Republicans and Democrats. Both of which have a history of supporting israel unconditionally, and the current democratic administration actively participating in a genocide. Please try and see it from their perspective

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

Their choices are Republicans and Democrats. Both of which have a history of supporting israel unconditionally, and the current democratic administration actively participating in a genocide. Please try and see it from their perspective

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

There is no point in protesting the republicans because they will NOT budge.

So you will stifle the election of the only hope? That is illogical and an idiotic thing to do, that is if it was genuine.

"if you who currently are not the president and cannot do anything do not do something IMMEDIATELY!!!! we will vote the person who WILL NOT BUDGE and who hates us and wants us dead!!!"

what a threat

First, can anyone tell what the protesters are saying?

Second... Some people might be more concerned with the threat of Trump winning (currently), and heavily affecting all of our lives and even the rest of the world. Arguably, we should concentrate on keeping him from winning, so the US will be in the position to even have the possibility of doing what the protesters are asking for.

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

So because she met with leaders beforehand, the protesters in attendance must have been bad faith actors? Don't see how one can jump to that conclusion unless there is some other information I am missing. There are plenty of people in Michigan who are disgusted by what is happening in Palestine and the United States' direct involvement in it. Just because she met with one group doesnt mean there cant be others in attendance acting in good faith

If they know what she has said about it before (not talking about the meeting before the rally), it would imply they did not believe her. At that point, would they believe or have been satisfied with any response given at the rally? If they didn't know, then I would wonder why they didn't look into it, considering how important it is to them.

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

Their choices are Republicans and Democrats. Both of which have a history of supporting israel unconditionally, and the current democratic administration actively participating in a genocide. Please try and see it from their perspective

Kamala has already signaled positive direction when compared to Biden in regards to Palestine. And no, I will not see it from their perspective. They can get fucked. Its litterally like trying to say "see it from MAGA perspective". Nope. Ignore them. Fuck those people. Work with the progressives and move towards positive changes for Palestine, the ones who operate in good faith, but ignore these fucks who are clearly acting in bad faith. Fuck them.

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

Their choices are Republicans and Democrats. Both of which have a history of supporting israel unconditionally, and the current democratic administration actively participating in a genocide. Please try and see it from their perspective

It's not possible for me to see things from the perspective of a person willfully shooting themselves in the foot.

Link_Love_Zelda posted...

then I would wonder why they didn't look into it, considering how important it is to them.

This.

Its a two way street. If kamala listens then that should be acknowledged and accepted otherwise you're acting in bad faith.

concedes republicans will not budge

concedes Kamala is currently not the president

demands Kamala do something immediately before being the president or we will have the Republicans who we concede will not budge

in what world does this make sense?

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

Their choices are Republicans and Democrats. Both of which have a history of supporting israel unconditionally, and the current democratic administration actively participating in a genocide. Please try and see it from their perspective

However only one of those outcomes puts Trump in power, a man who will more likely escalate the situation with more direct involvement.

StarReaper13 posted...

a man who will more likely escalate the situation with more direct involvement.

it is not likely it is literal fact he will

he is going to deport Palestinians as part of his greatest deportation in history plan

WingsOfGood posted...

So you will stifle the election of the only hope? That is illogical and an idiotic thing to do, that is if it was genuine.

No I am saying I can understand people protesting a GENOCIDE and wanting one of the presidential candidates to have a concrete proposal regarding the situation. All she has offered so far is some acknowledgment of the genocide (which is a good thing, again I was one of the first ones on this board pushing for Kamala, I like her and think she might change course at least in some respects) but I am not naive and know until a politician delivers idgaf what they say, especially a situation like Israel/Palestine which has had the same bi-partisan unconditional support for israel for DECADES.

At this point any "lefist" who attacks Kamala is no different than MAGA to me. They are the enemy. Holding her feet to the fire after she's president is one thing, but sabotaging her when she's in the middle of trying to defeat an existential threat to our American Society is an entirely different thing. I have 0 regard for whoever does that. You are the enemy.

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

No I am saying I can understand people protesting a GENOCIDE and wanting one of the presidential candidates to have a concrete proposal regarding the situation. All she has offered so far is some acknowledgment of the genocide (which is a good thing, again I was one of the first ones on this board pushing for Kamala, I like her and think she might change course at least in some respects) but I am not naive and know until a politician delivers idgaf what they say, especially a situation like Israel/Palestine which has had the same bi-partisan unconditional support for israel for DECADES.

I don't care, if their plan is "If you don't do what I say I will help the guy who is evil" I'm out.

luigi33 posted...

At this point any "lefist" who attacks Kamala is no different than MAGA to me. They are the enemy. Holding her feet to the fire after she's president is one thing, but sabotaging her when she's in the middle of trying to defeat an existential threat to our American Society is an entirely different thing. I have 0 regard for whoever does that. You are the enemy.

You were one of the ones calling out anyone who suggested Biden step down and Kamala become the nominee. Check your hubris

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

You were one of the ones calling out anyone who suggested Biden step down and Kamala become the nominee. Check your hubris

How does this make my point any less valid?

Is it tone deaf for me to say look after your own backyard first?

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

No I am saying I can understand people protesting a GENOCIDE and wanting one of the presidential candidates to have a concrete proposal regarding the situation.

I get that and I am saying it is so illogical they are probably not genuine.
If they care about the genocide they do not risk Trump, not as pressure or a threat.
Why?
As you said Trump won't budge. And currently Kamala can't change Biden's mind.
But it is more than that. Trump will literally deport them and their families that are in the USA to go die in Gaza as part of the genocide.
You really think people with this at stake sincerely are ok with that happening? I don't

But my single wedge issue takes precedent! That's how you run a country, on single political wedge issues!

like you say put yourself in their shoes

I am
I would see that Trump wants to deport me and condemn me to death as part of the genocide and so I would not go to a rally of the one person who could stop that and heckle them for not going far enough in the direction I like....

that is the privilege of people who DON'T have a stake

WingsOfGood posted...

like you say put yourself in their shoes

I am
I would see that Trump wants to deport me and condemn me to death as part of the genocide and so I would not go to a rally of the one person who could stop that and heckle them for not going far enough in the direction I like....

that is the privilege of people who DON'T have a stake

"We have actively funded the genocide, and havent stated we will stop this at all. But have you considered the other side it worse?"

I wonder why this doesn't resonate with those protesting hmmm

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

"We have actively funded the genocide, and havent stated we will stop this at all. But have you considered the other side it worse?"

I wonder why this doesn't resonate with those protesting hmmm

So you deflect from what I just said.

The other guy is going to send your mother to Gaza to die.

Knowing this, you would take the time and effort to heckle the person who will stop that from happening?

Get real

Nobody is advocating for trump. He is honestly fucking irrelevant with this topic. The protestors want the democratic party to give some concrete proposals that show they will work to quell the genocide. Thats IT. that's literally the goal. And until they get that, I fully support them to use their most valuable tool in these negotiations, their vote, to pressure the candidate to do the right thing.

POLITICIANS WORK FOR US. not the other way around.

WingsOfGood posted...

So you deflect from what I just said.

The other guy is going to send your mother to Gaza to die.

Knowing this, you would take the time and effort to heckle the person who will stop that from happening?

Get real

im done trying to explain to you the value of protests and how/why they work

WingsOfGood posted...

So you deflect from what I just said.

The other guy is going to send your mother to Gaza to die.

Knowing this, you would take the time and effort to heckle the person who will stop that from happening?

Get real

My family and I are racial minorities too, and we fear the possibility of being deported or sent to the camps if Trump wins. Of course, there are lots of other folks who are still blissfully unaware of what a second Trump term will do to them until it affects their lives directly.

St0rmFury posted...

Is it tone deaf for me to say look after your own backyard first?

Nope
You know the whole thing they say about putting your oxygen mask on before helping others?

Some people don't realize putting Trump in power will lead to them stripping rights away from American citizens, likely putting people in situations where Palestine would be the last thing on their mind.