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Hyena_Of_Ice 07/24/24 8:56:57 PM #102:	ai123 posted... Again, they are not trying to get people to listen or give a shit. If they won't do it for thousands of murdered kids and daily war crimes, they won't do it anyway. It is an expression of rage. That's all. Then their protest is absolutely pointless, and nothing more than a feel-good measure; it is selfish. All it does is piss people off, and it doesn't help the victims of genocide-- and may do the opposite. If they won't do it for thousands of murdered kids and daily war crimes They (and you) underestimate how ignorant many people are of the genocide, or their lack of ability to think critically. The minds of ignorant people can be convinced (if you want a perfect example, look at transphobia. Most people are woefully ignorant about trans issues, including that the AMA recommends gender-affirming care, or that trans people tend to manifest transness for years.) You'd be amazed by how ignorant so many Americans are of the Palestinian plight. For example, the fact that many of the refugees are only warned up to 48 hours ahead of time to evacuate, or that the Israeli government does nada about illegal settler violence. Point out to them that the level of brutality Israel exercizes is only going to create a new generation of terrorists, just like Hamas's massacre will breed a new generation of pro-genocide Israelis. Also point out that the bombing and flattening of Gaza is going to kill the hostages. <cite>Hyena_Of_Ice posted [p:981443075] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>ai123 posted... </cite><quote>Again, they are not trying to get people to listen or give a shit. If they won't do it for thousands of murdered kids and daily war crimes, they won't do it anyway.It is an expression of rage. That's all.</quote>Then their protest is absolutely pointless, and nothing more than a feel-good measure; it is selfish. All it does is piss people off, and it doesn't help the victims of genocide-- and may do the opposite. <quote>If they won't do it for thousands of murdered kids and daily war crimes</quote> They (and you) underestimate how ignorant many people are of the genocide, or their lack of ability to think critically. The minds of ignorant people can be convinced (if you want a perfect example, look at transphobia. Most people are woefully ignorant about trans issues, including that the AMA recommends gender-affirming care, or that trans people tend to manifest transness for years.)You'd be amazed by how ignorant so many Americans are of the Palestinian plight. For example, the fact that many of the refugees are only warned up to 48 hours ahead of time to evacuate, or that the Israeli government does nada about illegal settler violence. Point out to them that the level of brutality Israel exercizes is only going to create a new generation of terrorists, just like Hamas's massacre will breed a new generation of pro-genocide Israelis. Also point out that the bombing and flattening of Gaza is going to kill the hostages.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gu-gohan 07/24/24 9:13:30 PM #103:	Shadow_Don posted... Don't really give a fuck about the flag burning or even most of the graffiti But the hamas is coming graffiti is fucked. How that shit is even tolerated in the community doing these protests is beyond me. I've argued with so many people that tell me this pro hamas and antisemitic contingent doesn't exist but its blatantly there. I was being modded a few weeks back for simply wishing for more people trying to understand the complexity of the conflict as a whole, or rather, trying to understand both sides of the conflict. In my opinion, too many people take simplistic pro/contra stances in this matter. I'm someone who condemns both, Hamas' disgusting attacks as well as the response of Netanyahu and his regime afterwards. I wish, protesters would demonstrate more peacefully in general, and more vocally for general goals like "no civilian casualties on both sides" or "against terrorism of Netanyahu/current Israeli regime and Hamas". Most of these protesters probably have good intentions. But they shouldn't tolerate people within their movement who do not condemn what Hamas did and/or who use antisemitic language. Tolerating such people within their movement isn't helping their cause. Damaging someone else's property isn't helping either. Generally, I'm on their side. --- Like: great videogames, peaceful discussions, open-minded people Dislike: console wars, trolls, haters, review-bombing, negativity <cite>gu-gohan posted [p:981443340] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>Shadow_Don posted... </cite><quote>Don't really give a fuck about the flag burning or even most of the graffiti But the hamas is coming graffiti is fucked. How that shit is even tolerated in the community doing these protests is beyond me. I've argued with so many people that tell me this pro hamas and antisemitic contingent doesn't exist but its blatantly there.</quote>I was being modded a few weeks back for simply wishing for more people trying to understand the complexity of the conflict as a whole, or rather, trying to understand both sides of the conflict. In my opinion, too many people take simplistic pro/contra stances in this matter. I'm someone who condemns both, Hamas' disgusting attacks as well as the response of Netanyahu and his regime afterwards. I wish, protesters would demonstrate more peacefully in general, and more vocally for general goals like "no civilian casualties on both sides" or "against terrorism of Netanyahu/current Israeli regime and Hamas". Most of these protesters probably have good intentions. But they shouldn't tolerate people within their movement who do not condemn what Hamas did and/or who use antisemitic language. Tolerating such people within their movement isn't helping their cause. Damaging someone else's property isn't helping either. Generally, I'm on their side.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tb333 07/24/24 11:15:30 PM #104:	When I saw this all I thought of was this.. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d58ae6db.jpg Its sad that I dont know if the US has ever truly followed are own ideals. --- "Im sorry please come back" Humanity to Natural Selection <cite>tb333 posted [p:981444831] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>When I saw this all I thought of was this..https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d58ae6db.jpgIts sad that I dont know if the US has ever truly followed are own ideals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CoyoteTheGreat 07/24/24 11:17:23 PM #105:	bover_87 posted... Protests are normally movements, not organizations with clear leadership. Other protesters really don't have any control over what random nutjobs in the movement do. They also may not be done in good faith either. Oftentimes people will join these protests with the intent of sabotaging them from within. Everyone forgets the riots a couple of years back that were started by a white supremacist breaking windows during the BLM movement to try to accelerate a race war. --- Disobedience is the stamp of the hero. -Ragnar Redbeard Also, this is Kagata.. <cite>CoyoteTheGreat posted [p:981444853] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>bover_87 posted... </cite><quote>Protests are normally movements, not organizations with clear leadership. Other protesters really don't have any control over what random nutjobs in the movement do.</quote>They also may not be done in good faith either. Oftentimes people will join these protests with the intent of sabotaging them from within. Everyone forgets the riots a couple of years back that were started by a white supremacist breaking windows during the BLM movement to try to accelerate a race war.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EPR-radar 07/24/24 11:25:14 PM #106:	tb333 posted... When I saw this all I thought of was this.. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d58ae6db.jpg Its sad that I dont know if the US has ever truly followed are own ideals. Biden said it very well just this evening. The US has never lived up to these ideals. But it has never completely forgotten these ideals either. --- "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." -- 1984 <cite>EPR-radar posted [p:981444918] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>tb333 posted... </cite><quote>When I saw this all I thought of was this..https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d58ae6db.jpgIts sad that I dont know if the US has ever truly followed are own ideals.</quote>Biden said it very well just this evening. The US has never lived up to these ideals. But it has never completely forgotten these ideals either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssb_yunglink2 07/24/24 11:41:07 PM #107:	Pitbuller_26 posted... Still not helping or even trying to win people to their side with shit like this. https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1816213224452415662?t=pZBiokuRqxqDufZFQYw0Rw&s=19 I am absolutely supportive of the Palestinian movement but graffiti of HAMAS IS COMING is fucking wild. Like it not not, messaging like that alongside flag burning is a really bad fucking look. Still cant believe our fucking congress applauded bibi tho its disgusting --- Hee Ho <cite>ssb_yunglink2 posted [p:981445070] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>Pitbuller_26 posted... </cite><quote>Still not helping or even trying to win people to their side with shit like this.https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1816213224452415662?t=pZBiokuRqxqDufZFQYw0Rw&s=19</quote>I am absolutely supportive of the Palestinian movement but graffiti of HAMAS IS COMING is fucking wild. Like it not not, messaging like that alongside flag burning is a really bad fucking look. Still cant believe our fucking congress applauded bibi tho its disgusting </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Quezovercoatl 07/25/24 12:33:17 AM #108:	Burning a couple flags is "absolute chaos"? Seems like the bar is lower than I realized. <cite>Quezovercoatl posted [p:981445551] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>Burning a couple flags is "absolute chaos"? Seems like the bar is lower than I realized. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMolinaro 07/25/24 12:40:36 AM #109:	To be fair, that monument is in poor taste even without the slogan. Its a monument to Christopher Columbus. <cite>MrMolinaro posted [p:981445604] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>To be fair, that monument is in poor taste even without the slogan. Its a monument to Christopher Columbus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LtZim 07/25/24 12:50:59 AM #110:	DrizztLink posted... oh no not the flag <cite>LtZim posted [p:981445682] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite><quote>oh no not the flag</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mistymermaid 07/25/24 2:27:40 AM #111:	Flag burning is too context dependent to outlaw. Who am I to say when it's being employed as a symbol of protest, or for less savory ends? --- Swimming over the barrier to protect my egg. <cite>mistymermaid posted [p:981446410] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>Flag burning is too context dependent to outlaw. Who am I to say when it's being employed as a symbol of protest, or for less savory ends?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trumble 07/25/24 2:31:00 AM #112:	mistymermaid posted... Flag burning is too context dependent to outlaw. Who am I to say when it's being employed as a symbol of protest, or for less savory ends? Unless they're using it to start a fire (in which case it being the flag is a trivial concern compared to that, ykno, they're trying to start a fire), what exact "less savory end" are you thinking? --- I fought the Trumble and the Trumble won. <cite>Trumble posted [p:981446442] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>mistymermaid posted... </cite><quote>Flag burning is too context dependent to outlaw. Who am I to say when it's being employed as a symbol of protest, or for less savory ends?</quote>Unless they're using it to start a fire (in which case it being the flag is a trivial concern compared to that, ykno, they're trying to start a fire), what exact "less savory end" are you thinking?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mistymermaid 07/25/24 4:50:31 AM #113:	Trumble posted... Unless they're using it to start a fire (in which case it being the flag is a trivial concern compared to that, ykno, they're trying to start a fire), what exact "less savory end" are you thinking? For example, burning a foreign country's flag as a scare tactic against that country. --- Swimming over the barrier to protect my egg. <cite>mistymermaid posted [p:981447219] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>Trumble posted... </cite><quote>Unless they're using it to start a fire (in which case it being the flag is a trivial concern compared to that, ykno, they're trying to start a fire), what exact "less savory end" are you thinking?</quote>For example, burning a foreign country's flag as a scare tactic against that country.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperShake666 07/25/24 5:15:56 AM #114:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmMpi6kM8dM --- "Look, if I was good at math, I wouldn't be on CE at 2:00 the morning clicking on topics about porn stars ****ing horses." - May 2017, Dash_Harber <cite>SuperShake666 posted [p:981447312] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmMpi6kM8dM</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tankboy 07/25/24 5:28:14 AM #115:	ssb_yunglink2 posted... I am absolutely supportive of the Palestinian movement but graffiti of HAMAS IS COMING is fucking wild. In my experience, they leave a huge amount of graffiti in their wake. Seriously every flat surface is covered. I'm not sure why, since the problem isn't lack of publicity, it's lack of caring. <cite>tankboy posted [p:981447356] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>ssb_yunglink2 posted... </cite><quote>I am absolutely supportive of the Palestinian movement but graffiti of HAMAS IS COMING is fucking wild. </quote>In my experience, they leave a huge amount of graffiti in their wake. Seriously every flat surface is covered. I'm not sure why, since the problem isn't lack of publicity, it's lack of caring.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 07/25/24 5:41:34 AM #116:	K181 posted... Yeah, and footage of burning an American flag outside the capital is the quickest way to harden anyone potentially waiving to jerk back. That's nonsense. Nobody is wavering at this point. People are entrenched and their opinions aren't going to be changed. It's like how there really aren't undecided voters at this point. You know who Trump is, and you know where you stand on it. We know where official policy regarding Palestine has gone and is going. If you haven't formed an opinion by now, it's been deliberately-inflicted deafness on the issue. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:981447433] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>K181 posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, and footage of burning an American flag outside the capital is the quickest way to harden anyone potentially waiving to jerk back.</quote>That's nonsense. Nobody is wavering at this point. People are entrenched and their opinions aren't going to be changed.It's like how there really aren't undecided voters at this point. You know who Trump is, and you know where you stand on it.We know where official policy regarding Palestine has gone and is going. If you haven't formed an opinion by now, it's been deliberately-inflicted deafness on the issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 07/25/24 5:48:25 AM #117:	CableZL posted... Which likely means the genocide gets worse. If Trump is elected, the genocide won't get worse. It'll get completed. And Trump's kids will buy up some new waterfront property in not-Israel. K181 posted... Of course protests are inevitable, and people should protest. But if the end result is merely doing stuff that helps the side you're protesting or make less likely to get others to support you, the protest f**ed up. You one of those people who think protesters shouldn't be in the street and should just be, "over there, where no one can see or be inconvenienced" by the protest? --- What has books ever teached us?* -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:981447466] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>CableZL posted... </cite><quote>Which likely means the genocide gets worse.</quote>If Trump is elected, the genocide won't get worse. It'll get completed. And Trump's kids will buy up some new waterfront property in not-Israel.K181 posted... </cite><quote>Of course protests are inevitable, and people should protest. But if the end result is merely doing stuff that helps the side you're protesting or make less likely to get others to support you, the protest f***ed up.</quote>You one of those people who think protesters shouldn't be in the street and should just be, "over there, where no one can see or be inconvenienced" by the protest?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuerillaGorilla 07/25/24 5:52:16 AM #118:	Burning the American flag is one of the most American things you can do. --- NNID: GuerillaGorilla <cite>GuerillaGorilla posted [p:981447489] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>Burning the American flag is one of the most American things you can do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kind9 07/25/24 6:10:47 AM #119:	I'm surprised all the urban camping didn't end the genocide. Maybe flag burning will do it. --- http://i.imgur.com/NkZUeFd.gif <cite>kind9 posted [p:981447573] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>I'm surprised all the urban camping didn't end the genocide. Maybe flag burning will do it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 07/25/24 6:18:02 AM #120:	UnfairRepresent posted... You're crazy if you're gonna pretend you don't see why people at the Capital burning the US flag then flying the flag of another nation is going to piss off the general American population who care more about the state of the Pop Tarts in the toaster than the lives of anyone outside their direct family/friend structure. Didn't seem to upset certain people when the flag of a bunch of people who committed treason against America was unfurled in our Capitol. Why would the flag of any other country bother them if traitors in their midst didn't? Antifar posted... Inviting Netanyahu to speak to Congress does far more to help Trump than any protest could. Right? He's probably got another briefcase full of CD-ROMs to show Trump again that will sway the fascist into accepting more crimes against humanity. mistymermaid posted... A protest has to take extra care to play its cards at the most effective time and place. A slip up can take the narrative in a direction very different than they wanted. The good guys, once again, have to mind their p's and q's while the bad guys are marching with swastikas screaming, "Blood and Soil!" because... optics and narratives are things to care about? I appreciate the sentiment, but... yeah... I am not sure it's an applicable sentiment in 2024. Pitbuller_26 posted... Still not helping or even trying to win people to their side with shit like this. https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1816213224452415662?t=pZBiokuRqxqDufZFQYw0Rw&s=19 "Desecrated" is absolutely the wrong word here. On top of that, don't you think it rings (heh) a little false to claim we celebrated and support freedom when we host the leader of an apartheid state? Feels like a really appropriately selected symbol to protest in light of events. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:981447603] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite><quote>You're crazy if you're gonna pretend you don't see why people at the Capital burning the US flag then flying the flag of another nation is going to piss off the general American population who care more about the state of the Pop Tarts in the toaster than the lives of anyone outside their direct family/friend structure.</quote>Didn't seem to upset certain people when the flag of a bunch of people who committed treason against America was unfurled in our Capitol.Why would the flag of any other country bother them if traitors in their midst didn't?Antifar posted... </cite><quote>Inviting Netanyahu to speak to Congress does far more to help Trump than any protest could.</quote>Right? He's probably got another briefcase full of CD-ROMs to show Trump again that will sway the fascist into accepting more crimes against humanity.mistymermaid posted... </cite><quote>A protest has to take extra care to play its cards at the most effective time and place. A slip up can take the narrative in a direction very different than they wanted.</quote>The good guys, once again, have to mind their p's and q's while the bad guys are marching with swastikas screaming, "Blood and Soil!" because... optics and narratives are things to care about?I appreciate the sentiment, but... yeah... I am not sure it's an applicable sentiment in 2024.Pitbuller_26 posted... </cite><quote>Still not helping or even trying to win people to their side with shit like this.https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1816213224452415662?t=pZBiokuRqxqDufZFQYw0Rw&s=19</quote>"Desecrated" is absolutely the wrong word here. On top of that, don't you think it rings (heh) a little false to claim we celebrated and support freedom when we host the leader of an apartheid state?Feels like a really appropriately selected symbol to protest in light of events.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tankboy 07/25/24 6:30:36 AM #121:	The problem is that the protestors have a jumbled message. It ranges from a reasonable and specific ideas, like "stop providing weapons that are killing civilians", to completely unrealistic ideas like divestment or supporting Hamas. An effective protest has a tightly controlled narrow message. That's why 1960s Civil Rights and 1980s anti-apartheid protests were effective. It's also why non-protest "marches" are generally not effective. <cite>tankboy posted [p:981447681] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>The problem is that the protestors have a jumbled message. It ranges from a reasonable and specific ideas, like "stop providing weapons that are killing civilians", to completely unrealistic ideas like divestment or supporting Hamas. An effective protest has a tightly controlled narrow message. That's why 1960s Civil Rights and 1980s anti-apartheid protests were effective. It's also why non-protest "marches" are generally not effective.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/25/24 6:41:27 AM #122:	tankboy posted... An effective protest has a tightly controlled narrow message. That's why 1960s Civil Rights... I think those were a lot less controlled at the time than they appear through the backwards lens of history. There were riots and calls for black nationalism that weren't so neatly separated from the efforts of figures like MLK. --- Please don't be weird in my topics <cite>Antifar posted [p:981447712] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>tankboy posted... </cite><quote>An effective protest has a tightly controlled narrow message. That's why 1960s Civil Rights... </quote>I think those were a lot less controlled at the time than they appear through the backwards lens of history. There were riots and calls for black nationalism that weren't so neatly separated from the efforts of figures like MLK. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hyena_Of_Ice 07/25/24 6:46:41 AM #123:	DnDer posted... The good guys, once again, have to mind their p's and q's while the bad guys are marching with swastikas screaming, "Blood and Soil!" because... optics and narratives are things to care about? I appreciate the sentiment, but... yeah... I am not sure it's an applicable sentiment in 2024. It most definitely is if you're trying to counter the mainstream narrative. <cite>Hyena_Of_Ice posted [p:981447738] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>DnDer posted... </cite><quote>The good guys, once again, have to mind their p's and q's while the bad guys are marching with swastikas screaming, "Blood and Soil!" because... optics and narratives are things to care about?I appreciate the sentiment, but... yeah... I am not sure it's an applicable sentiment in 2024.</quote>It most definitely is if you're trying to counter the mainstream narrative.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mistymermaid 07/25/24 7:01:18 AM #124:	DnDer posted... The good guys, once again, have to mind their p's and q's while the bad guys are marching with swastikas screaming, "Blood and Soil!" because... optics and narratives are things to care about? I appreciate the sentiment, but... yeah... I am not sure it's an applicable sentiment in 2024. The bad guys have the luxury of being unrelenting evil. In the pursuit of fascism, anything can be justified to their base. Whereas the good guys have to earn support. --- Swimming over the barrier to protect my egg. <cite>mistymermaid posted [p:981447831] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>DnDer posted... </cite><quote>The good guys, once again, have to mind their p's and q's while the bad guys are marching with swastikas screaming, "Blood and Soil!" because... optics and narratives are things to care about?I appreciate the sentiment, but... yeah... I am not sure it's an applicable sentiment in 2024.</quote>The bad guys have the luxury of being unrelenting evil. In the pursuit of fascism, anything can be justified to their base.Whereas the good guys have to earn support.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 07/25/24 7:16:13 AM #125:	Hyena_Of_Ice posted... It most definitely is if you're trying to counter the mainstream narrative. The protestors aren't public relations professionals, nor are they, like you and me, detatched, sitting in front of a screen, with the luxury of thinking logically about how to engage low information voters most effectively while we sip our coffee. Palestine is being ethnically cleansed while congress gives a mass murderer a standing ovation. They are angry people giving expression to their justified rage. Via the desecration of objects and symbols. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. <cite>ai123 posted [p:981447905] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>Hyena_Of_Ice posted... </cite><quote>It most definitely is if you're trying to counter the mainstream narrative.</quote>The protestors aren't public relations professionals, nor are they, like you and me, detatched, sitting in front of a screen, with the luxury of thinking logically about how to engage low information voters most effectively while we sip our coffee.Palestine is being ethnically cleansed while congress gives a mass murderer a standing ovation. They are angry people giving expression to their justified rage. Via the desecration of objects and symbols.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 07/25/24 7:16:51 AM #126:	tankboy posted... unrealistic ideas like divestment Why is divestment unrealistic? --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:981447912] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>tankboy posted... </cite><quote>unrealistic ideas like divestment</quote>Why is divestment unrealistic?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tankboy 07/25/24 7:54:08 AM #127:	DnDer posted... Why is divestment unrealistic? First, it's literally illegal in some states. Second, in its most radical definition (which was that context), it includes too many corporations that we can't give up. Third, when not at war, Palestine and Israel are economically codependent, so it's not even clear it would help. Fourth, the problem with any effort to invest with a strategy other than maximizing return ...is that it does not maximize return. <cite>tankboy posted [p:981448139] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>DnDer posted... </cite><quote>Why is divestment unrealistic?</quote>First, it's literally illegal in some states. Second, in its most radical definition (which was that context), it includes too many corporations that we can't give up. Third, when not at war, Palestine and Israel are economically codependent, so it's not even clear it would help. Fourth, the problem with any effort to invest with a strategy other than maximizing return ...is that it does not maximize return.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/25/24 7:55:28 AM #128:	tankboy posted... First, it's literally illegal in some states That's a problem, not just for moral reasons but first amendment ones. It's something to be fought against, not accepted as set in stone. --- Please don't be weird in my topics <cite>Antifar posted [p:981448147] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>tankboy posted... </cite><quote>First, it's literally illegal in some states</quote>That's a problem, not just for moral reasons but first amendment ones. It's something to be fought against, not accepted as set in stone. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tankboy 07/25/24 7:56:55 AM #129:	Antifar posted... That's a problem, not just for moral reasons but first amendment ones. It's something to be fought against, not accepted as set in stone. Oh, I completely agree. But, it still makes it an unrealistic immediate goal for the protestors, that dilutes their message. <cite>tankboy posted [p:981448153] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite><quote>That's a problem, not just for moral reasons but first amendment ones. It's something to be fought against, not accepted as set in stone.</quote>Oh, I completely agree. But, it still makes it an unrealistic immediate goal for the protestors, that dilutes their message.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 07/25/24 9:17:30 AM #130:	ai123 posted... It is an expression of rage. That's all. You can approve or not, but to sit there with pearls in tightly clenched fist and declare 'well, this isn't helping', is an irrelevant response. If it's just them venting, with no end game, then yes. I'll stop clutching my pearls about it --- Biden-Harris 2024 https://imgur.com/gallery/o47SI9Y <cite>emblem-man posted [p:981448841] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>ai123 posted... </cite><quote>It is an expression of rage. That's all. You can approve or not, but to sit there with pearls in tightly clenched fist and declare 'well, this isn't helping', is an irrelevant response.</quote>If it's just them venting, with no end game, then yes. I'll stop clutching my pearls about it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Yazarogi 07/25/24 10:15:42 AM #132:	oh no! Not the flag and graffiti that can be cleaned! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8df866ba.jpg --- "There will be nothing to show that we were ever here... but stardust." - Pinbacker <cite>Yazarogi posted [p:981449409] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>oh no! Not the flag and graffiti that can be cleaned!https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8df866ba.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
texanfan27 07/25/24 10:29:05 AM #133:	Flag burning I can tolerate, but the graffiti is too much. And lets be honest, this message is aimed at Biden and the senate, but they wont really care as the only people effected by this is working class who have to clean it up. then the news media will spin it meaning the message is fully lost. --- I'm a ? Block. No, punching me won't give you power ups. <cite>texanfan27 posted [p:981449546] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>Flag burning I can tolerate, but the graffiti is too much. And lets be honest, this message is aimed at Biden and the senate, but they wont really care as the only people effected by this is working class who have to clean it up. then the news media will spin it meaning the message is fully lost. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yazarogi 07/25/24 10:30:21 AM #134:	texanfan27 posted... Flag burning I can tolerate, but the graffiti is too much. And lets be honest, this message is aimed at Biden and the senate, but they wont really care as the only people effected by this is working class who have to clean it up. then the news media will spin it meaning the message is fully lost. Good for them for providing much needed jobs in todays economic climate. --- "There will be nothing to show that we were ever here... but stardust." - Pinbacker <cite>Yazarogi posted [p:981449556] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>texanfan27 posted... </cite><quote>Flag burning I can tolerate, but the graffiti is too much. And lets be honest, this message is aimed at Biden and the senate, but they wont really care as the only people effected by this is working class who have to clean it up. then the news media will spin it meaning the message is fully lost.</quote>Good for them for providing much needed jobs in todays economic climate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nocturnal_traveler 07/25/24 10:52:47 AM #135:	The flag burning is fine. The raising of the foreign flag and praising Hamas is completely contradictory, and they just killed their own message. Hamas is not Palestine. --- --I understand your opinion. I just don't care about it. ~Jedah-- <cite>nocturnal_traveler posted [p:981449799] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>The flag burning is fine. The raising of the foreign flag and praising Hamas is completely contradictory, and they just killed their own message. Hamas is not Palestine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heavy_D_Forever 07/25/24 11:05:36 AM #136:	Those protesters are fucking losers who are aren't helping the cause they claim to care about in any meaningful way. Fuck them. --- E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES <cite>Heavy_D_Forever posted [p:981449934] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>Those protesters are fucking losers who are aren't helping the cause they claim to care about in any meaningful way. Fuck them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scardude 07/25/24 11:27:24 AM #137:	ClayGuida posted... The conflict didn't start in October 2023. I've been reading the history. Conflict started from roots of colonialism from Britain times. The mass exodus of Arab Jews from Muslim states and the creation of Israel. October was an escalated incident after a long occupation that even the UN acknowledges can't be reversed. --- Above all things, never be afraid. The enemy who forces you to retreat is himself afraid of you at that very moment. <cite>Scardude posted [p:981450191] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>ClayGuida posted... </cite><quote>The conflict didn't start in October 2023.</quote>I've been reading the history. Conflict started from roots of colonialism from Britain times. The mass exodus of Arab Jews from Muslim states and the creation of Israel. October was an escalated incident after a long occupation that even the UN acknowledges can't be reversed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yazarogi 07/25/24 11:49:06 AM #138:	Heavy_D_Forever posted... Those protesters are fucking losers who are aren't helping the cause they claim to care about in any meaningful way. Fuck them. translation: people protesting make me not care about massive amounts of dead women and children in other countries. thats very telling of your human nature. --- "There will be nothing to show that we were ever here... but stardust." - Pinbacker <cite>Yazarogi posted [p:981450478] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>Heavy_D_Forever posted... </cite><quote>Those protesters are fucking losers who are aren't helping the cause they claim to care about in any meaningful way. Fuck them.</quote>translation: people protesting make me not care about massive amounts of dead women and children in other countries.thats very telling of your human nature.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heavy_D_Forever 07/25/24 3:03:29 PM #139:	Yazarogi posted... translation: people protesting make me not care about massive amounts of dead women and children in other countries. thats very telling of your human nature. The protesters aren't doing anything that will prevent the death of women and children in other countries. They are using the issue as an excuse to cause destruction. They are assholes. Fuck them. --- E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES <cite>Heavy_D_Forever posted [p:981453023] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>Yazarogi posted... </cite><quote>translation: people protesting make me not care about massive amounts of dead women and children in other countries.thats very telling of your human nature.</quote>The protesters aren't doing anything that will prevent the death of women and children in other countries. They are using the issue as an excuse to cause destruction. They are assholes. Fuck them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 07/25/24 4:44:29 PM #140:	Heavy_D_Forever posted... The protesters aren't doing anything that will prevent the death of women and children in other countries. They are using the issue as an excuse to cause destruction. They are assholes. Fuck them. what could they do that would accomplish that? --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:981454302] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>Heavy_D_Forever posted... </cite><quote>The protesters aren't doing anything that will prevent the death of women and children in other countries. They are using the issue as an excuse to cause destruction. They are assholes. Fuck them.</quote>what could they do that would accomplish that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 07/25/24 5:14:31 PM #141:	Heavy_D_Forever posted... The protesters aren't doing anything that will prevent the death of women and children in other countries. They are using the issue as an excuse to cause destruction. They are assholes. Fuck them. So what issues were they using before as a cover for their uncontainable lust for destruction? --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. <cite>ai123 posted [p:981454638] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>Heavy_D_Forever posted... </cite><quote>The protesters aren't doing anything that will prevent the death of women and children in other countries. They are using the issue as an excuse to cause destruction. They are assholes. Fuck them.</quote>So what issues were they using before as a cover for their uncontainable lust for destruction?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PowerMan5000000 07/25/24 7:07:17 PM #142:	Deport them all pls --- Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? Galatians 4:16 <cite>PowerMan5000000 posted [p:981456206] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>Deport them all pls </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 07/25/24 8:21:21 PM #143:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/815f22c0.jpg --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:981457347] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/815f22c0.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sonixs 07/25/24 8:49:44 PM #144:	ClayGuida posted... The conflict didn't start in October 2023. Exactly. They've been fighting this war since Jesus. The United States did not exist then. <cite>Sonixs posted [p:981457725] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>ClayGuida posted... </cite><quote>The conflict didn't start in October 2023.</quote>Exactly. They've been fighting this war since Jesus. The United States did not exist then. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFTHEWINNER 07/25/24 9:23:50 PM #145:	PowerMan5000000 posted... Deport them all pls Considering that it is highly likely that a lot of them are naturalized or born american citizens, I don't think that is possible. --- WHO AM I?FFTHEWINNER. WHO ARE YOU?URTHELOSER http://i.imgur.com/xgSex.png <cite>FFTHEWINNER posted [p:981458098] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>PowerMan5000000 posted... </cite><quote>Deport them all pls</quote>Considering that it is highly likely that a lot of them are naturalized or born american citizens, I don't think that is possible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 07/26/24 1:03:33 AM #146:	ssjevot posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/815f22c0.jpg Pro-hamas graffiti is pretty shitty. But you know what's not shitty? Burning the flag that's a protected form of protest and free speech. Dissent, according to founding father Thomas Jefferson (allegedly), is the highest form of patriotism. There's no hate and violence in the protest. (Stupid people trolling with hamas graffiti, though.) But there's a lot of justified anger over our continued enabling (it's not even support at this point) of Palestinian genocide. But I guess her policy isn't going to be any different from Biden or anyone else since... the founding of Israel? --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:981460195] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>ssjevot posted... </cite><quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/815f22c0.jpg</quote>Pro-hamas graffiti is pretty shitty. But you know what's not shitty? Burning the flag that's a protected form of protest and free speech. Dissent, according to founding father Thomas Jefferson (allegedly), is the highest form of patriotism.There's no hate and violence in the protest. (Stupid people trolling with hamas graffiti, though.) But there's a lot of justified anger over our continued enabling (it's not even support at this point) of Palestinian genocide.But I guess her policy isn't going to be any different from Biden or anyone else since... the founding of Israel?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 07/26/24 1:31:04 AM #147:	DnDer posted... Pro-hamas graffiti is pretty shitty. But you know what's not shitty? Burning the flag that's a protected form of protest and free speech. Dissent, according to founding father Thomas Jefferson (allegedly), is the highest form of patriotism. There's no hate and violence in the protest. (Stupid people trolling with hamas graffiti, though.) But there's a lot of justified anger over our continued enabling (it's not even support at this point) of Palestinian genocide. But I guess her policy isn't going to be any different from Biden or anyone else since... the founding of Israel? I wouldn't read too much into that statement. It's pretty standard political stuff meant to have good optics for appealing to swing voters. Her actual stances could be the same, but if they aren't they would still put out a statement like that because it appeals to the average American. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:981460369] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>DnDer posted... </cite><quote>Pro-hamas graffiti is pretty shitty. But you know what's not shitty? Burning the flag that's a protected form of protest and free speech. Dissent, according to founding father Thomas Jefferson (allegedly), is the highest form of patriotism.There's no hate and violence in the protest. (Stupid people trolling with hamas graffiti, though.) But there's a lot of justified anger over our continued enabling (it's not even support at this point) of Palestinian genocide.But I guess her policy isn't going to be any different from Biden or anyone else since... the founding of Israel?</quote>I wouldn't read too much into that statement. It's pretty standard political stuff meant to have good optics for appealing to swing voters. Her actual stances could be the same, but if they aren't they would still put out a statement like that because it appeals to the average American.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EPR-radar 07/26/24 2:58:05 AM #148:	ssjevot posted... I wouldn't read too much into that statement. It's pretty standard political stuff meant to have good optics for appealing to swing voters. Her actual stances could be the same, but if they aren't they would still put out a statement like that because it appeals to the average American. There are two places the US can consider sending weapons -- Israel and Ukraine. The first option aids and abets Israel in the commission of war crimes. The second option helps Ukraine defend against war crimes. IMO all gun-running by the US to Israel should immediately end, and instead it should be sent to Ukraine. --- "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." -- 1984 <cite>EPR-radar posted [p:981460886] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>ssjevot posted... </cite><quote>I wouldn't read too much into that statement. It's pretty standard political stuff meant to have good optics for appealing to swing voters. Her actual stances could be the same, but if they aren't they would still put out a statement like that because it appeals to the average American.</quote>There are two places the US can consider sending weapons -- Israel and Ukraine. The first option aids and abets Israel in the commission of war crimes. The second option helps Ukraine defend against war crimes.IMO all gun-running by the US to Israel should immediately end, and instead it should be sent to Ukraine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nocturnal_traveler 07/26/24 7:01:13 AM #149:	EPR-radar posted... There are two places the US can consider sending weapons -- Israel and Ukraine. The first option aids and abets Israel in the commission of war crimes. The second option helps Ukraine defend against war crimes. IMO all gun-running by the US to Israel should immediately end, and instead it should be sent to Ukraine. The US is a military business. The more "clients" it has, the more it can justify continually pumping money into it. --- --I understand your opinion. I just don't care about it. ~Jedah-- <cite>nocturnal_traveler posted [p:981461983] in Pro-Palest... [t:80816128]...</cite> <quote>EPR-radar posted... </cite><quote>There are two places the US can consider sending weapons -- Israel and Ukraine. The first option aids and abets Israel in the commission of war crimes. The second option helps Ukraine defend against war crimes.IMO all gun-running by the US to Israel should immediately end, and instead it should be sent to Ukraine.</quote>The US is a military business. The more "clients" it has, the more it can justify continually pumping money into it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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