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SHRlKE
07/12/24 5:44:08 AM
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I was very much "it's too late now" stick with him a few weeks back but I'm starting to edge towards it being the least bad option.

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pegusus123456
07/12/24 5:44:37 AM
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No, I still think it's really stupid.

Though boy howdy, I do need him to quit fucking up.

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TMOG
07/12/24 5:49:15 AM
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Anybody who says Biden should step down should also name who they want to replace him as the nominee. You can't just get rid of the candidate with no alternative ready to go.
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MangaBroski
07/12/24 5:50:18 AM
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No. I do think switching candidates at is more of a death sentence than Bidens embarrassing mess-ups. Switching candidates would suggest weakness in the party as a whole, and the dems need to be working together and supporting each other (and humanity [to the extent any mainstream politician is supporting humanity]).
Trump is a strongman. Swapping nominees is a bad call against such a vile person.

That being said, Biden needs to rehearse and inspire confidence. My support isnt changing, but the fact it is for other people is a problem.
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ai123
07/12/24 5:56:02 AM
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I still think Biden is the best chance of beating Trump.

Though that chance seems to be shrinking by the day.

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Irony
07/12/24 6:00:36 AM
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No, it's a stupid idea that's an automatic Trump win

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UltimateWing
07/12/24 6:01:05 AM
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https://twitter.com/KatiePhang/status/1811563106142724268

Democrats. Get your act together. Media. Stop trying to steer the rest of us into a dictatorship. Biden still has the advantage. Incumbency. Improved economy. Support of other world leaders. Biden misspeaks, sure, but the other guy does it more and talks nonsense (sharks and batteries). Dont normalize Trumps behavior.

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Diceheist
07/12/24 6:06:07 AM
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I'm still apathetic. It's just fun to talk about.

ScazarMeltex posted...
Republicans won't allow it, so it's a moot fucking point. Red states have already said they won't let the dems change who is on the ballot in their state.

Nobody is on the ballot yet, so that is irrelevant. The nominee has not been chosen.

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Nok_Su_Kow
07/12/24 6:07:22 AM
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I don't understand it. Since voting Biden/Harris I've always felt confident should Biden falter or resign then Harris takes over. That hasn't changed but rather I'm even more confident now that Harris is the right person to succeed his agenda. All this "battle royal at the convention" talk is nonsense.
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hmnut7
07/12/24 6:12:33 AM
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For me it is one of these self fulfilling prophecies.

Because people aren't supporting Biden, I'm starting to thinking Biden should step down, because people aren't supporting him.

And that terrifies me.

Because I would be 1000% okay with Biden stepping down, if I had any faith in a week or two, we wouldn't be doing this exact same thing with the replacement.

Biden has a track record of accomplishments and he is the sitting president, he has a resume that no one else who could run has. Does that mean he is the best man for the job? Not necessarily, but those are some extremely powerful things to have in an election, to throw that away on whim is extremely dangerous.

So if Biden steps down, the person who steps up, can't be good, they have to be great. They have to be someone who the left will stay 100% united behind
NO MATTER WHAT!!!!!!!

And whenever you start naming names, people on the left get wishy-washy. There is no one they want to throw actual support behind anyone.

Who ever replaces Biden the first people who would attack them would not be from the GOP or the Press, it would be from the Left.

I will fully support whoever the democrats pick, but the democrats refuse to do the same.... and that is literally why we can't have nice things.

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SHRlKE
07/12/24 6:24:45 AM
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TMOG posted...
Anybody who says Biden should step down should also name who they want to replace him as the nominee. You can't just get rid of the candidate with no alternative ready to go.

This is a fair point. I do also feel that unless Biden does step down no one is going to put their name forward so it's kinda catch 22 situation.


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UltimateWing
07/12/24 6:28:23 AM
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The media is not helping here. Disgraceful.

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1811702466666512808

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tremain07
07/12/24 6:31:29 AM
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hmnut7 posted...
For me it is one of these self fulfilling prophecies.

Because people aren't supporting Biden, I'm starting to thinking Biden should step down, because people aren't supporting him.

And that terrifies me.

Because I would be 1000% okay with Biden stepping down, if I had any faith in a week or two, we wouldn't be doing this exact same thing with the replacement.

Biden has a track record of accomplishments and he is the sitting president, he has a resume that no one else who could run has. Does that mean he is the best man for the job? Not necessarily, but those are some extremely powerful things to have in an election, to throw that away on whim is extremely dangerous.

So if Biden steps down, the person who steps up, can't be good, they have to be great. They have to be someone who the left will stay 100% united behind
NO MATTER WHAT!!!!!!!

And whenever you start naming names, people on the left get wishy-washy. There is no one they want to throw actual support behind anyone.

Who ever replaces Biden the first people who would attack them would not be from the GOP or the Press, it would be from the Left.

I will fully support whoever the democrats pick, but the democrats refuse to do the same.... and that is literally why we can't have nice things.
And republicans know this its why theyre pushing for it because they know itd be chaos for the left especially because t

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Diceheist
07/12/24 6:40:18 AM
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UltimateWing posted...
The media is not helping here. Disgraceful.

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1811702466666512808

I don't think Biden runs the Fed.

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UltimateWing
07/12/24 6:44:00 AM
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If Biden did step down, would 81 million voters from the last election willingly side with his replacement in 4-5 short months before this election cycle? This is where I would think the infighting within Democrats would get worse and MAGA would strike.

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Nok_Su_Kow
07/12/24 6:49:56 AM
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No they wouldn't. The whole point of incumbency is voter confidence in stability of the administration and familiarity of the candidates. 4-5 months is nowhere near enough time to test new candidates and gain that necessary level of confidence from the american people. You can have the best and most ideal candidate in the country, voters will mostly either write someone in or not vote at all.
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MaxEffingBemis
07/12/24 6:50:50 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
No, I still think it's really stupid.

Though boy howdy, I do need him to quit fucking up.
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MaxEffingBemis
07/12/24 6:51:47 AM
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tremain07 posted...
And republicans know this its why theyre pushing for it because they know itd be chaos for the left especially because t
This isnt true. Theyre pushing for him to stay in because they think its an easy win against him

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pinky0926
07/12/24 6:53:42 AM
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For me it depends on whether there's any actual weight to the rumours or if it's just people flapping over a bad performance.

If he just had a bad day and he's mostly fine, stick with it.

If he's genuinely in old person mental decline then that's a serious, serious problem

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UltimateWing
07/12/24 6:57:17 AM
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MaxEffingBemis posted...
This isnt true. Theyre pushing for him to stay in because they think its an easy win against him

No. Again, I am reposting this from Parody Jack Smith:

https://twitter.com/7Veritas4/status/1809420068247216362

They dont have the numbers.

Their plan all along was to divide those who oppose authoritarianism. Democrats, Independents and never-Trump Republicans.

They funded 3rd party candidates.

They flooded the zone with slanted polls.

They got their cohorts in the media singing their tune.

They had Elon flood this place with bots and right wing propaganda.

They still dont have the numbers.

Not unless you give in.

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Nok_Su_Kow
07/12/24 6:58:52 AM
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MaxEffingBemis posted...
This isnt true. Theyre pushing for him to stay in because they think its an easy win against him

Oh yeah, they're loving this. But I think they are being overly confident and underestimating voters. Sure people don't like Biden flubbing up and they'll poll their distress. They'll also vote accordingly against the alternative who has no positive message for the country and is riddled with scandals.
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MaxEffingBemis
07/12/24 7:30:40 AM
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Nok_Su_Kow posted...
Oh yeah, they're loving this. But I think they are being overly confident and underestimating voters. Sure people don't like Biden flubbing up and they'll poll their distress. They'll also vote accordingly against the alternative who has no positive message for the country and is riddled with scandals.
I disagree. I think voters are largely apathetic having to vote for either of these old-timers again. Which is why I think Kamala has a good chance to re-energize those voters. And I also believe shell have a clear and concise campaign policy that isnt just vote for us or fascism

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CARRRNE_ASADA
07/12/24 7:32:18 AM
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Man...Biden would die and people here would have him stuffed and acting as a puppet

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Iodine
07/12/24 7:33:50 AM
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Yes because he can't campaign effectively.

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kind9
07/12/24 7:35:44 AM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Man...Biden would die and people here would have him stuffed and acting as a puppet
No I think we just understand that he's not already one foot in the grave, as the mainstream narrative seems to be going now. All because of that one fucking debate three weeks ago. He doesn't have dementia either. People need to accept that he is not stepping down and start supporting him again. But I do think a rotting corpse would make a better president than professor orangeman.

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cjsdowg
07/12/24 7:38:13 AM
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I hate Biden, and I think this is fucking crazy. What is wrong with Dems.

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-Crissaegrim-
07/12/24 7:42:23 AM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Man...Biden would die and people here would have him stuffed and acting as a puppet

Trump could shoot a person on 5th avenue and his followers would still be rabidly in support of him.

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FFTHEWINNER
07/12/24 7:43:57 AM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Man...Biden would die and people here would have him stuffed and acting as a puppet
Nah, they would have him mummified.

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kind9
07/12/24 7:45:18 AM
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The Rise of Dead Brandon

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Nok_Su_Kow
07/12/24 8:13:31 AM
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MaxEffingBemis posted...
I disagree. I think voters are largely apathetic having to vote for either of these old-timers again. Which is why I think Kamala has a good chance to re-energize those voters. And I also believe shell have a clear and concise campaign policy that isnt just vote for us or fascism

Kamala can do that as well as continue talking about women's reproductive rights and Biden can also continue reminding voters of his accomplishments and work that is to be done. So it's not just a doomsday message they are putting on voters.

Trump on the other hand has zero policy agenda he is offering. At the end of the day voters want stability and familiarity. Biden doesn't drag this down, we know who his replacement is in waiting so their agenda does not change. Although should Biden resign, yes run Kamala of course.
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Intro2Logic
07/12/24 8:15:13 AM
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kind9 posted...
All because of that one f***ing debate three weeks ago.
It's really not; that just played into beliefs most people already had about Biden's age.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trumps-criminal-charges-bidens-age-rank-voters-top-worries-candidates-rcna149365

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Doe
07/12/24 8:15:15 AM
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I'm at a toss up. KHIVE memes are funny at least. I just want to beat Donald Trump, please.

For all the "who can replace him" posts, his Vice President he campaigned with and people voted for alongside him. It's Joe or Kamala, no other options.

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LightHawKnight
07/12/24 8:15:45 AM
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It is bullshit how the media keeps pushing this horrible stupid strategy. They really want democrats to lose.

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Antifar
07/12/24 8:16:17 AM
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I continue to see reasonable arguments for both sides and think most people here are far too certain about how unprecedented hypotheticals would play out.

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kind9
07/12/24 8:18:54 AM
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Intro2Logic posted...
It's really not; that just played into beliefs most people already had about Biden's age.
Oh but it is though. The mainstream media wasn't doing non-stop coverage of Biden's age, questioning his ability to govern until after that debate. NOW it's the big issue everyone wants to boo hoo about. I'm not claiming that his age was never a concern until now. People have been poking fun at his gaffs for a long time now.

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hmnut7
07/12/24 8:25:43 AM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Man...Biden would die and people here would have him stuffed and acting as a puppet
Let me address this, and then we'll already see why The Left are speed running their own loss right now.

Ahem... okay the argument is Biden is too old and nearly dead. So even the though Trump is a terrorist and dictator we should replace Biden because he's old.... okay.

HARRIS! Let's all unite behind Kamala Harris. You can attach her to all the positive aspects of Biden and she does not have the negative of being super old. Plus her name is already on ballots so any procedural issues are negated, and she's been vetted by the press and attacked by the GOP so there aren't any real surprises.

So we're done here right? I've solved the problem, the entirety of the left is ready to unequivocally support K.Harris for President right?

Hmm... what's that, people don't want Harris either? Oh but I thought the problem with Biden was he was old.

Oh so no matter WHO we pick people are gonna complain.

FUCKING TERRORIST AND CULT LEADER DONALD TRUMP LEADING IN THE POLLS!!!!

THE LEFT NEEDS TO STOP FUCKING AROUND!!!!!

If the left does not have a specific person they are willing to 100% support right now, then they need to knock it off and fully support Biden.

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doshindude
07/12/24 8:27:28 AM
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Wish they took him up on his promise not to run for a second term. Him failing to fulfill that promise led us to this no win situation.

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Ooooooranges
07/12/24 8:31:22 AM
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They should replace him with Kamala immediately. This circus isn't going to end until he steps down. The focus of this election will be him and not Trump, and that's a sure way to lose.

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GuerrillaSoldier
07/12/24 8:56:12 AM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Man...Biden would die and people here would have him stuffed and acting as a puppet

MaxEffingBemis posted...
I got some bad news for ya, buddy


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Nok_Su_Kow
07/12/24 8:58:18 AM
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Replacing without incumbency is a disaster. Resigning from good governance without scandal based on polls and opinions of age fitness, also not a great look! But has to come from him. So far from this week alone it looks like he's up for the job.

Reminder that WAPO polled 92% of Dems would also vote for him despite 2/3 preferring him to drop out.
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ClayGuida
07/12/24 9:13:23 AM
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I have, but not because of Biden but because it's clear a portion of the dem party will continue making this an issue until he drops out, and the longer it lingers on, the more likely it is that Trump will win in November.

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Heineken14
07/12/24 9:14:54 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
No, I still think it's really stupid.

Yeah. It's always been fucking dumb and will continue to be fucking dumb.

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YellowSUV
07/12/24 9:17:31 AM
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No. I think things should be closely monitored but no reason to change this far before the convention. No practical replacement has shown a clear advantage over Biden. You also know damn well the media is going to try and take down whoever the replacement is. They won't be able to use old age, but they will magnify some other issue with them.

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Nok_Su_Kow
07/12/24 9:26:11 AM
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"We love and appreciate all that President Biden has done for the country and know he will make the right decision"

"I'm not dropping out"

"Ahem! We love and appreciate all that President Biden has done for the country and know he will make the right decision"

"I said I'm not dropping out!"

"We love and appreciate all that President Biden has done---"

"What the fuck jack?!"

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Diceheist
07/12/24 9:31:54 AM
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Nok_Su_Kow posted...
"We love and appreciate all that President Biden has done for the country and know he will make the right decision"

"I'm not dropping out"

"Ahem! We love and appreciate all that President Biden has done for the country and know he will make the right decision"

"I said I'm not dropping out!"

"We love and appreciate all that President Biden has done---"

"What the fuck jack?!"


Nancy Pelosi already kinda did this, she said Biden has to make a decision quickly even though Biden has already repeatedly said he's staying in. >_>

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Nok_Su_Kow
07/12/24 9:34:25 AM
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Diceheist posted...
Nancy Pelosi already kinda did this, she said Biden has to make a decision quickly even though Biden has already repeatedly said he's staying in. >_>

Right, that's the joke...
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