Board 8 > Friends Mafia Topic 4 - The One Without Banana-Hammock

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Refer to Topic 1 for all rules and general information.

Players:
1. Ben
2. Chang
3. Corrik
4. Death
5. Dumey
6. Foolmo
7. IGCD
8. MZero
9. Peaf
10. SBell
11. Wallz

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day ends at 6PM ET Saturday, approximately 23 hours from now.

Foolmo, if you're around you should probably claim. I think the chances of the day going somewhere different are pretty low with where most players have listed their preferences. And it's the only way to progress this Traitor discussion, which I don't think is as likely as others are saying.

Book of Town
Peaf
Sbell
Death
Ben

Probably Town But If Wrong It's Here
Chang
IGCD
Mzero

Last scum in here I think
Dumey
Corrik

Scum + Traitor
Wallz
Foolmo

This is my current read list

EDumey posted...

That's why I'm stressing it's not just one thing.

Sorry, i didn't mean to shit in your bed about your reads. I don't agree that their alignments are different like you do but i haven't paid as close attention to Corrik as you have been. I'm open to your insights, and me pushing back is to try to help me understand where you're coming from.

3.367 - Im nowhere near Lopens suspect list
3.389 - I state Peaf is Joey theory
3.391 - I ask whats the benefit of Peaf repeatedly lying about how his role works
3.422 - asks for my top scum reads

I give them, have to be gone for a while, come back and Lopen says Im scum. Thats not doing much for my paranoia.

I will say 3.402 was a good post by Peaf and it all checks out with being David. I googled even down to the Daryl Hannah bit. But ctes would surely write a fake role pm so peaf claiming and paraphrasing his role pm when im the only one really nipping at his heels yeah, I dunno.

I think im right about peaf being 3p Joey and Lopen is suspecting me now in an attempt to put me on the defensive and get me off the mark with peaf.

I think you're suggesting Peaf as 3p because you can't afford this many town clears on the table

It's a really absurd theory

It will also be immediately disproven when Foolmo flips and you'll have nothing so I'm sure you're going to mercilessly push lynching anyone but foolmo today

Theres nothing absurd about the theory. It could be wrong but its not absurd. Now youre just making me believe it more.

I dont care if foolmo is lynched or not, frankly. But like I did d1 with Blade, Im losing confidence foolmo is scum.

Also, Peaf is one additional town clear. Youre in a chat with him and if youre truthful, cant say for 100% certain Peaf is town. Why should I give Peaf the clear? Weak town clears are a big reason town loses games.

I did tell you the benefits of the little lie about me being limited to Kirby. It didn't actually change my role at all, just my possibilities.

Death was also asking for my flavor and i was playing hard to get for a while. I got tired of that and wanted to give him what he asked for before bedtime.

I'm 100% certain Peaf is town because I've been talking to him helping solve for days now and because this role makes no sense as non town

And yeah Lopen and Kirby don't have host confirmation that I'm town. I haven't held anything back but they don't have 100% confirmation of that. You can think I'm 3p all you want, hopefully it convinces scum not to kill the best tree hydra that b8 has ever seen

My hydra isn't convinced as foolmo traitor theory as I am

I will say it took me less than an hour in chat (before any in game activity was analyzed) to realize that this role is dumb as hell for scum and scum was impossible

This was before Kirby and Peaf buried Sultan which should be enough for town to clear him

3p is possible sure but when foolmo flips it won't be

Catching up on 3.90-250

Sbell arguing with Death a lot. Not sure how to read this. No one is playing at this time, so they could just be bored. Sbell never seriously threatened Death and always pulled back anytime he got close to agreeing that he did something scummy (see 3.90 vs 3.142).

MZero is still choosing not to play. It's just sad, I don't get it.

Catching up since 3.350

bruh how does this game struggle to get 13 players yet have so many spectators?

Lopen posted...

Note he has not actually pursued IGCD or Sbell lynches today at all. This feels entirely like it was a show to send a sign.

Can someone explain this? I've made dozens of posts explaining my logic for IGCD and Sbell. It's like the majority of of my activity today. What am I missing?

EDumey posted...

Foolmo, if you're around you should probably claim. I think the chances of the day going somewhere different are pretty low with where most players have listed their preferences. And it's the only way to progress this Traitor discussion, which I don't think is as likely as others are saying.

Actually, here's players who haven't given reads on me at all:
Ben
Chang
MZero
IGCD (only a plain countervote)

And who have faulty reads on me:
Wallz - The entire questioning of me (3.325) and defense of IGCD/Sbell (3.354) are proven wrong.
Death - 3.99 says I'm scum for being desperate to lynch him. Even though Ben started the fingering on him, he's a solid #3 on my scum list, and there's like 4 others who are solidly convinced he's scum.

So I don't feel threatened really. I do think a lot of the talk around me is an anti-town waste of time, but that's ok. Half the players aren't even participating in the game, so I can't really complain about wasting time.

If you have other people you want to pressure, do it lol. There's many hours left.

##Vote: Foolmo

-2

Gonna be gone for a while again, prob -3h to lynch tomorrow.

My request: Solve the game before ending the day! Figure out who the other 2 of my scumbuds are, then lynch me. And if you really want to be a genius mafia player, solve who the 3 scum would be if I'm actually town. No need to waste more time trying to lynch me.

(Oh but like Dumey said, don't add another vote on me and all scum to hammer. Sbell is scum so we're ok for now, but the other 2 on me are prob town.)

right then

PeaceFrog posted...

If there are 3 scum remaining and they all jump on you to hammer right now (assuming you are not scum), when they are 3 vs 8, then i will laugh.

The hammer didn't happen Foolmo. There was more than enough time for it to happen. You were wrong. And now you want to disappear until Deadline and hope that town gets distracted looking somewhere else. Claim so we can move on from this stupid Traitor talk.

##Unvote
##Vote: Foolmo

Definitely down for the lynching of foos

2 remaining scum if I flip scum
3 remaining scum if I flip town

Explain your solution, with details. Prove you deserve to end the day early.

bleh

Doctor, Richard Burke, protected Peaf N1 and got result stolen (not like roleblocker, more like scanner blocker?)

Unsurprisingly, I'm keeping my vote where it's at

Why Peaf? You thought scum would target him because of Kirby instead of hunting for real power?

I like how death was talking with Lopen. I am not interested in lynching him today.

Yeah, confirmed town is stronger than pretty much any power role. Case in point, I'm probably still going to get lynched despite my power.

It wouldn't have been my choice, but I'll let other people weigh in.

##Vote: Corrik

This is where I want to go now. Lopen, tell me why I should move Wallz from my neutral pile to scum pile.
Consider Death's review of Sultan's connection below and where he makes a case for Wallz being town.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80788381/980842520

So there are two role thieves on scumteam?

Nah

Lopen posted...

So there are two role thieves on scumteam?

Nah

No. Role thief from town.

With godfather dead, cop still hidden, and doctor exposed, we don't lynch the claimed doctor. We make scum deal with it. Let them roleblock him to eternity.

He probably joins the scumteam if shot but sure whatever go for Corrik

(Think wallz is a better choice)

A. If they recruit Foolmo, then Foolmo has to lie about being roleblocked constantly and scum can't use roleblock anywhere else without fucking him over. All while we're getting cop scans.

B. I'm open to listen to ideas about Walls. You earlier gave an argument about Wallz being scum because of him not acknowledging Sultan in a way that looked like scum distancing? But Death's recap earlier specifically town cased Wallz because of his Sultan interactions. I want to hear you reconcile this and we can try to get a clearer read on Wallz.

I counterclaim doctor lynch foolmo

Wallz - Sultan made him his first suspect and first vote hours later. Wallz himself asked Peaf why Sultan was the scummiest.
Sultan also later made a lot of posts to basically attack Wallz all over again. Finally Wallz voting Sultan early makes Wallz look even better naturally.

From that death post. I thought wallz was town for most of d1, but i even said in our hydra chat that early d1 is the easiest time to bus a mate. The stakes are so low, and b8 town is going to get distracted 24 hours later.

damn thats compelling as shit

I'll dive into wallz tomorrow. I don't have time right now

I don't think role thief existing in this setup makes sense in any case

PeaceFrog posted...

From that death post. I thought wallz was town for most of d1, but i even said in our hydra chat that early d1 is the easiest time to bus a mate. The stakes are so low, and b8 town is going to get distracted 24 hours later.

What do you think about Wallz vote on Sultan at end of day? He did it shortly after Ben, and put Sultan solidly into contention for being a primary lynch candidate. That's not early game bussing right? That's committing to the bus at end of day.

EDumey posted...

A. If they recruit Foolmo, then Foolmo has to lie about being roleblocked constantly and scum can't use roleblock anywhere else without fucking him over. All while we're getting cop scans.

I agree. If foolmo is scum and has insights into there being no doc in the way that we knew there was no town Miller in literature mafia, then so be it he can live a little bit longer. One way or another action will be forced.

Next time I'm definitely fake claiming miller post 1. Shit makes you invincible.

Or he's trying to draw doc counterclaim

Let's mass claim guys

I claim doctor

EDumey posted...

What do you think about Wallz vote on Sultan at end of day? He did it shortly after Ben, and put Sultan solidly into contention for being a primary lynch candidate. That's not early game bussing right? That's committing to the bus at end of day.

I would need to go back to bloodborne to determine how scum wallz handled the jc train for a full comparison. I'm no Ulti.

I think ben did a votal timeline early in the day. But i don't have an answer for you right now.

foolm0r0n posted...

MZero is still choosing not to play. It's just sad, I don't get it.

I have my reasons

@peaf Can you explain why you needed to force my claim in order to solve the day?

Because you were one of my/ our bigger suspects and now that we can move past that we can focus on the actual scum.

Now i can read your posts without thinking you're trying to sneak a fast one past me

Lopen isn't convinced but that's OK.

Would you be more comfortable if we pushed everyone to claim? Who knows what else scum has, maybe they have a backup for Sultan to be able to copy things. But they are on the back foot.

I think mass makes sense if the doctor is claimed

Unless we have a cop that scanned foolmo guilty then they should just claim

Give the cop a chance to get another scan while scum has to deal with exposed doc. I don't agree with you trying to push for a counterclaim. All mass claim does is let scum solve how to use their night actions best, where right now they're still in the dark.