Current Events > Trump told donors he will crush pro-Palestinian protests, deport demonstrators

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MangaBroski posted...

Unless my understanding is wrong, legal citizens cannot be deported. While there are undocumented students, who wants to bet that most of pro-Palestinian support at college and university are legal citizens on the USA.

I'm finding it hard to locate due to all the recent statements by Trump (this is something he intentionally does, he floods the zone (a Steve Bannon term and strategy) with bullshit so that it's hard to remember or look up something that was previously said. I'm fairly certain there was at least one U.S. citizen who was mistakenly deported during his first administration, I'm just having trouble finding it due to the reasons I mentioned. But he could also rule that being Pro-Palestinian (read as anti-Israel) is treasonous to the U.S. and as justification for renouncing their citizenship and deporting them. Who's gonna stop him?

MangaBroski posted...

If Trump had the SCotUS change the rules to allow deportation of legal citizens, how many people would tolerate that? The right can make fun of college students as art majors all they want, but I doubt most of the right want their kids deported.

Who is doing anything to stop the current SCOUTS ruling which has robbed women of their bodily autonomy rights and led to many deaths in red states because doctors won't want to risk persecution under the law? The U.S. had a whole revolution over a like 2% tax on tea and we're clearly no longer the nation that will rise up for a tea tax, let alone our rights to bodily autonomy and right to privacy being stripped away.

The people who screamed loudest about how "our 2A protects our other rights and protects us from a tyrannical government" rallied behind Trump after he said "Seize the guns now, worry about due process later" after the Stoneman-Douglas shooting. The only ones who would do anything about it side with the fascists.

Baha05 posted...

Doubt they would ever tolerate that considering it would be a massive financial drain on the country to even do the protesters. Since we damn well know if something like that passes more people would do it just to fuck with the system anyhow.

You entirely sure you know what political party you're talking about?

I have to say, I'm surprised so many people think real issues like cost and practicality matter to Republicans. Like the Nazis before them, all that matters to Republicans is what they wanna do, consequences be damned.

If Trump as Dear Leader orders mass deportations, then that is exactly what the Republican establishment will do, with most other US institutions obediently following along. And then we'll be treated to puff piece "analysis" of this Trump/Republican "policy" in the NYT and WaPo.

EPR-radar posted...

I have to say, I'm surprised so many people think real issues like cost and practicality matter to Republicans. Like the Nazis before them, all that matters to Republicans is what they wanna do, consequences be damned.

If Trump as Dear Leader orders mass deportations, then that is exactly what the Republican establishment will do, with most other US institutions obediently following along. And then we'll be treated to puff piece "analysis" of this Trump/Republican "policy" in the NYT and WaPo.

We've never been in this place before so a lot of people think what they want is unrealistic and/or unobtainable. Much of the Weimar Germany populace believed the same, and their media was also grossly and dangerously underselling the Nazi threat in addition to capitalists thinking they could control Hitler/the Nazi party to get them what they want without greater harm to society.

We are currently Weimar Germany.

MangaBroski posted...

Unless my understanding is wrong, legal citizens cannot be deported.

Cannot? Or you mean it is not legal?
Lots of stuff Trump plans to do and these things are public information are not legal things. That is the beauty of being above the law.

EPR-radar posted...

I have to say, I'm surprised so many people think real issues like cost and practicality matter to Republicans. Like the Nazis before them, all that matters to Republicans is what they wanna do, consequences be damned.

If Trump as Dear Leader orders mass deportations, then that is exactly what the Republican establishment will do, with most other US institutions obediently following along. And then we'll be treated to puff piece "analysis" of this Trump/Republican "policy" in the NYT and WaPo.

I mean for the potential it has and the number of people that in can impacts yeah there should be a massive red flag in terms of costs to the Republican Party on top of the fact that it would be basically deporting US Citizens. Hell where the hell would you even begin to deport people in the first place is something just as questionable if this was even something they would try to do.

EPR-radar posted...

If Trump as Dear Leader orders mass deportations, then that is exactly what the Republican establishment will do, with most other US institutions obediently following along. And then we'll be treated to puff piece "analysis" of this Trump/Republican "policy" in the NYT and WaPo.

Regular citizens will be compelled to help out and participate just pay attention to the rhetoric. The guy Trump has who will head the deportation said it himself this is an all of the country effort.

The same people saying "it will never happen" will be called to dirty their hands or likely face jail.

Baha05 posted...

Hell where the hell would you even begin to deport people in the first place is something just as questionable if this was even something they would try to do.

Across the Southern Border. If Mexico refuses they would send the army. Like what else do you think he means when he says he wants the largest mass deportation in history?

WingsOfGood posted...

Across the Southern Border. If Mexico refuses they would send the army. Like what else do you think he means when he says he wants the largest mass deportation in history?

Students that protest like he said? Plus even the people here on legal visa arent all from Mexico.

Baha05 posted...

Students that protest like he said? Plus even the people here on legal visa arent all from Mexico.

Are you unaware what he has been saying since 2023?

He wants to deport "all the illegals"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ks12ctSXwg

he reiterates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPGI1pAH_lY

Trump: "Biden Migrant Crime"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aI1EYhVKjI

He calls them criminals and terrorists like he did back in 2015.

Do you not know the conservative base angrily murmurs about illegals daily? They claim the democrats had millions of fake illegal votes to help Biden "not actually win" the election?

The largest deportation in history is literally his words.
The protestors are a tiny tiny tiny part of it.

WingsOfGood posted...

Are you unaware what he has been saying since 2023?

He wants to deport "all the illegals"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ks12ctSXwg

he reiterates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPGI1pAH_lY

Trump: "Biden Migrant Crime"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aI1EYhVKjI

He calls them criminals and terrorists like he did back in 2015.

Do you not know the conservative base angrily murmurs about illegals daily? They claim the democrats had millions of fake illegal votes to help Biden "not actually win" the election?

The largest deportation in history is literally his words.
The protestors are a tiny tiny tiny part of it.

And yet the topic here is highlighting the protesters. Which is what I am referring to here.

Rubio himself has pivoted to side with Trump.

Get real if you think these people have a backbone and will stand against Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td5urNF0zKM

Baha05 posted...

And yet the topic here is highlighting the protesters. Which is what I am referring to here.

In terms of the protestors he told his Donors as you see in the OP many of them are from various countries.
He will deport them to those countries. Or at least that is what he says. Reality wherever they end up is less important than they are gone to him and his donors.

WingsOfGood posted...

In terms of the protestors he told his Donors as you see in the OP many of them are from various countries.
He will deport them to those countries. Or at least that is what he says. Reality wherever they end up is less important than they are gone to him and his donors.

And yet not all the protesters are from other countries so it implies he would try to deport US citizens

Baha05 posted...

And yet not all the protesters are from other countries so it implies he would try to deport US citizens

Don't see the issue here.

WingsOfGood posted...

Don't see the issue here.

How do you not see that as a potential issue?

Baha05 posted...

How do you not see that as a potential issue?

Not an issue for Trump.

He wants to deport American Citizens he labels and Communists and Marxists.

His base chants in agreement.

But my question is, what are we going to do with the ones that are already here, that grew up here?
The packed auditorium erupted with screaming chants of Deport them! Deport them!

https://peoplesworld.org/article/trump-hints-at-deportation-of-communists-if-hes-re-elected/

Trump hints at deportation of Communists if hes re-elected

Urging the audience of religious zealots to stand by his side in 2024, Trump declared, in near-apocalyptic terms, Together, were warriors in a righteous crusade to stop the arsonists, the atheists, the globalists, and the Marxists! The word globalists has long been used by the right as a code word for Jews, similar to how cosmopolitan was deployed in the past.

Trump raged about the supposed persecution of Christians under President Joe Biden and implied that investigations of his own crimes were punishment for standing up for Christianity. They want to take away my freedom because I wont let them take your freedom, he said, reminding listeners about how his Supreme Court appointments cemented the majority that repealed Roe v. Wade.

No president has ever fought for Christians as hard as I have, Trump told his rapt adorers. I got it done, he said, referring to stripping women of their constitutional right to an abortion.

Describing his supposed sacrifices in almost Christ-like terms, Trump portrayed himself as a modern-day martyr for the cause. Every time the radical left Democrats, Marxists, communists, and fascists indict me, I consider it a great badge of courageIm being indicted for you, he said. The irony of a fascist posing a false equivalence between Marxism with fascism was lost on those attending the Christian conference.

Using federal law, section 212 (f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, I will order my government to deny entry to all communists and all Marxists, he said. Those who come to join our country must love our country. We dont want them if they want to destroy our country. So, were going to be keeping foreign Christian-hating communists, socialists, and Marxists out of America. Were keeping them out of America.
He said, accurately, that the law already prohibits the entry of communists into the U.S. Federal immigration law does indeed say that any immigrant who is or has been a member of or affiliated with the Communistparty (or subdivision or affiliate thereof), domestic or foreign, is inadmissible. Its an old, undemocratic leftover from the first Red Scare dating back to 1918.
But thats not enough for Trump. Going further, he asked, But my question is, what are we going to do with the ones that are already here, that grew up here?
The packed auditorium erupted with screaming chants of Deport them! Deport them!

Ok whatever then. Fact is something like this has a larger potential to blow up in his face and I doubt its cheap to even attempt a mass deportation of people on visas let alone deporting US citizens to who knows where.

https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-threaten-revive-first-red-scare-authoritarianism-opinion-1812578

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulJmroCy7g8

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5074104/president-trump-us-communist-country

His enemies are not just the illegal, not just the protestor but the "marxist, communist" but don't think for one second the label will not be misused. Do you believe America has a huge amount of communists?
If it does not, then who is this great vast amount of enemies he must needs root out?
And who is persecuting him for being the best Christian ever?

Really listen to what he says.

We are NOT being hyperbolic when we say he wants to be a fascist dictator and people are cheering for this.

Baha05 posted...

Ok whatever then. Fact is something like this has a larger potential to blow up in his face and I doubt its cheap to even attempt a mass deportation of people on visas let alone deporting US citizens to who knows where.

Blow up in his face?

If he loses the election then sure.

If he wins, he will get all these things he wants. Why? It means there is enough people who support him, are docile or just too cowardly to do anything about it. It will also mean he was able to commit crimes and still get elected, so why would he not do worse crimes?

Baha05 posted...

Ok whatever then. Fact is something like this has a larger potential to blow up in his face and I doubt its cheap to even attempt a mass deportation of people on visas let alone deporting US citizens to who knows where.

It'll be very expensive but his people don't actually care about the budget. Plus it'll more likely be mass incarceration as he struggles to find a place to send most of them. Also expensive but also will be supported by his followers. And then of course he used the military to break up a protest once. He wanted to do it more but his people said no. People that say no won't be in his administration next time.

video

"We will root out the communist, marxist, facist and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines in our country..."

Who is he referring to? And HOW will he root them out?

https://www.facebook.com/100044503686647/videos/2684462211728468/?__so__=watchlist&__rv__=video_home_www_playlist_video_list&_rdr

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-compares-political-opponents-vermin-root-alarming-historians/story?id=104847748

Former President Donald Trump vowed this weekend to "root out" his political opponents, who he said "live like vermin" as he warned supporters that America's greatest threats come "from within" -- extreme rhetoric that echoes the words of fascist dictators like Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini, experts and Trump's critics said.
A Trump campaign spokesman dismissed the backlash to his speech, at a Veterans Day rally in New Hampshire, but some historians said the parallels were alarming.
"To call your opponent 'vermin,' to dehumanize them, is to not only open the door but to walk through the door toward the most ghastly kinds of crimes," writer and historian Jon Meacham said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."
Speaking to a packed crowd inside Stevens High School auditorium in Claremont, New Hampshire, on Saturday, Trump, who is seeking a second term in the White House, said: "We will put America first and today, especially in honor of our great veterans on Veterans Day, we pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country."
He accused these groups of doing anything "to destroy America and to destroy the American dream" and he went on to repeat his baseless claims of election fraud.

The answer is deport them or put the into a detention center.
Whether they are Americans doesn't matter if his base enables the idea that they are the great enemy destroying the country.
We see how he treats the protestors whom he does infact think are all these things: "ommunist, marxist, facist and the radical left"

bfslick50 posted...

It'll be very expensive but his people don't actually care about the budget. Plus it'll more likely be mass incarceration as he struggles to find a place to send most of them. Also expensive but also will be supported by his followers. And then of course he used the military to break up a protest once. He wanted to do it more but his people said no. People that say no won't be in his administration next time.

Its beyond expensive if you consider the nature of people and the lengths they would go to push back for something like that. Not to mention corporations would likely stop funding things too because you start deporting US Citizens can impact commerce.

bfslick50 posted...

Plus it'll more likely be mass incarceration as he struggles to find a place to send most of them.

re-open and build new ones

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-plans-sweeping-undocumented-immigrant-roundups-detention-camps-report-2023-11-11/

WASHINGTON, Nov 11 (Reuters) - Former U.S. President Donald Trump, if re-elected in 2024, would expand his first-term immigration crackdown to include sweeping roundups of people who would be held in large camps to await deportation, the New York Times reported on Saturday.

Trump is looking to speed deportations through a massive expansion of a form of removal that does not require due process hearings, the newspaper said.
To aid U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in sweeping roundups of undocumented people, Trump would reassign federal agents and deputize local police and National Guard troops volunteered by Republican-run states, the report said.
He would ease the strain on ICE detention facilities by building huge camps to hold detainees while their cases are processed as they await deportation.

To underwrite the massive operation if Congress refused, Trump would redirect Pentagon funds as he did with his border wall in his first term, the Times said.
"We'll stop the invasion on our southern border and begin the largest domestic deportation operation in American history," Trump said on Saturday.
In September, Trump told a rally in Iowa the deportation operation would be along the lines of the "Eisenhower model," the Times said. That was a 1954 campaign named after an ethnic slur

Baha05 posted...

if you consider the nature of people and the lengths they would go to push back for something like that

Who are all these people pushing back on his biggest campaign PROMISE if he is re-elected?

??

WingsOfGood posted...

Who are all these people pushing back on his biggest campaign PROMISE if he is re-elected?

??

and his rhetoric is already to use military force and deportation on "radical leftists" you pushback you go bye bye after being labeled so

Where do I say it specifically comes from his campaign? Im talking regular ass people here.

Baha05 posted...

Im talking regular ass people here.

If they don't vote against him they aren't going to do anything to stop this especially when doing so means they are heavily punished and treated as the great radical leftist enemy.

I am saying it is his campaign promise. You say all these corps won't go for it. If that was true they would not support his election in any way.

WingsOfGood posted...

If they don't vote against him they aren't going to do anything to stop this especially when doing so means they are heavily punished and treated as the great radical leftist enemy.

I am saying it is his campaign promise. You say all these corps won't go for it. If that was true they would not support his election in any way.

And I am saying if something like that goes through it would just blow up in his face regardless because that sort of impact is just asking for not only abuse but a lot of different problems that will basically backfire back on him.

Haven't protesters been being crushed on college campuses across the country.

cjsdowg posted...

Haven't protesters been being crushed on college campuses across the country.

By Biden?

Baha05 posted...

And I am saying if something like that goes through it would just blow up in his face

How does it blow up in his face?

WingsOfGood posted...

How does it blow up in his face?

Fuck the same way it would to anyone that would try it? You get push back from citizens either by voting or by the fact they would join protests just to fuck with him. You also again get the lose of citizen numbers because o you are deporting just about anyone who disagrees with stances. And well there goes the work force and economy which means as soon as it starts impacting companies they will drop support so fast or leave the country. Its the potential to just tank a nation because you abused your power.

Hell the fact it can even be used on his own Republican Party as well would also destroy that system in place because then you opened the door for infighting and back stabbing.

Baha05 posted...

Fuck the same way it would to anyone that would try it? You get push back from citizens either by voting or by the fact they would join protests just to fuck with him. You also again get the lose of citizen numbers because o you are deporting just about anyone who disagrees with stances. And well there goes the work force and economy which means as soon as it starts impacting companies they will drop support so fast or leave the country. Its the potential to just tank a nation because you abused your power.

Hell the fact it can even be used on his own Republican Party as well would also destroy that system in place because then you opened the door for infighting and back stabbing.

And you think any of that matters to Donnie?

Baha05 posted...

f*** the same way it would to anyone that would try it?

He has like 88 criminal charges and yet he is walking about free as a bird having rallies and running for president.
The SCOTUS actually took serious the argument the president cannot commit crimes.

Baha05 posted...

by the fact they would join protests just to f*** with him.

That will not end well. You are in a thread discussing how he wants to treat protestors.

Baha05 posted...

And well there goes the work force and economy which means as soon as it starts impacting companies they will drop support so fast or leave the country. Its the potential to just tank a nation because you abused your power.

This doesn't matter. Think about why Fascists always end up invading other countries.
Putin tanked his economy yet they are still going...Europe even still buys gas from them.

Baha05 posted...

Fuck the same way it would to anyone that would try it? You get push back from citizens either by voting or by the fact they would join protests just to fuck with him. You also again get the lose of citizen numbers because o you are deporting just about anyone who disagrees with stances. And well there goes the work force and economy which means as soon as it starts impacting companies they will drop support so fast or leave the country. Its the potential to just tank a nation because you abused your power.

Hell the fact it can even be used on his own Republican Party as well would also destroy that system in place because then you opened the door for infighting and back stabbing.

You say this like something being a stupid fucking idea has ever stopped that stupid fucking man.

Heineken14 posted...

And you think any of that matters to Donnie?

In the short term nope but long term yeah thats going to fuck him over in one way or another. Be it by people turning on him after the shit goes down or the other extreme way.

Baha05 posted...

In the short term nope but long term yeah thats going to fuck him over in one way or another. Be it by people turning on him after the shit goes down or the other extreme way.

If we ignore all the damage between inception and the hypothetical consequences, then it's apparently just fine.

To say nothing of the massive stochastic terrorism we'll see once the chuds see the feds making moves.

Baha05 posted...

In the short term nope but long term yeah thats going to fuck him over in one way or another. Be it by people turning on him after the shit goes down or the other extreme way.

People thought this would be the case with Putin back in 2022. This is now 2024.

Baha05 posted...

In the short term nope but long term yeah thats going to fuck him over in one way or another. Be it by people turning on him after the shit goes down or the other extreme way.

Lol, Donnie doesn't HAVE a long term. Not only because he never thinks that far, but he'll be into his 80s if he wins the presidency and no longer able tonrun again, and weve seen how he isnt held accountable for any if his actioms now.

WingsOfGood posted...

People thought this would be the case with Putin back in 2022. This is now 2024.

With Putin I would argue the situation is different more so given the fact Russia has been under someones boot for a long ass time that its a regular day with them. America not entirely so much to that extent.

In his owns words:

He will just be a dictator on day 1.

What does that mean? A dictator for a day means the end of democracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQkrWL7YuGk

Imagine someone actually having to be asked this by his own supporter (Hannity) and we pretend he will not just do whatever the fuck he wants.

Heineken14 posted...

Lol, Donnie doesn't HAVE a long term. Not only because he never thinks that far, but he'll be into his 80s if he wins the presidency and no longer able tonrun again, and weve seen how he isnt held accountable for any if his actioms now.

This! If its a long term detriment to the economy then his supporters are too dumb to make the link. If its a long term loss of support the plan is to not be a democracy by then.

Guys... I'm not American. Your country scares me... No offense...

Baha05 posted...

With Putin I would argue the situation is different more so given the fact Russia has been under someones boot for a long ass time that its a regular day with them. America not entirely so much to that extent.

How do you think he got his power?

Blackestmage posted...

Guys... I'm not American. Your country scares me... No offense...

The scariest part is he says it all out in the open. We have videos of him saying all this.

And people actually legit reply "yeah maybe he wants to do that but he won't be able to."

????

Like if he wins the election?

WingsOfGood posted...

How do you think he got his power?

Prior corruption of the country and political back stabbing/assassinations

Baha05 posted...

Prior corruption of the country and political back stabbing/assassinations

No.

1. He had an enemy to fight
2. He made sure the rich backed him, such as big Oil. Jailed those who did not
3. He put certain people loyal to him in high positions of power

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-15047823

'Superb candidate' for presidency
On 9 August 1999, an ailing Yeltsin sacked his prime minister, replacing him with a little-known 46-year-old protege who would see through reforms ahead of presidential elections in 2000.
Yeltsin was by now in need of a successor.
"Putin had shown himself to be a liberal and a democrat, who wanted to continue market reforms," said Valentin Yumashev, who told Yeltsin he would make a "superb candidate".

As Yeltsin's presidency faded away, Moscow was hit by a series of deadly but unexplained bombings. Vladimir Putin responded with a full-scale land offensive to recapture the mainly Muslim Russian republic of Chechnya from separatist rebels.
His popularity soared and on 31 December 1999 he was appointed acting president, winning his first presidential term three months later.
Thousands of civilians died in the Chechen campaign and, as he often does, Vladimir Putin used crude language to describe how he would wipe out the rebels "even in the toilet".
The capital Grozny was devastated; Russia's leader had his victory.

Four years later, Chechen rebels took 1,000 hostages, most of them children, at a school in Beslan, North Ossetia. When Russian special forces stormed the building, 330 people died. It later emerged that Russia had intelligence of a planned attack but had failed to act.
The first years of the Putin presidency were both bloody and turbulent, but the Russian economy was doing well, buoyed by high oil prices.
He won public support for taking on the billionaire oligarchs who had run rife in Russia in the 1990s. Summoning them to the Kremlin, he said they could keep their money as long as they kept out of politics and backed him.
He acted fast against those who didn't, such as Russia's then-wealthiest man Mikhail Khodorkovsky, who was arrested at gunpoint and jailed in Siberia.

Trump's plan coincide to accomplish these same things.

Your hypothetical protests against Trump will never happen because if that many people refuse him he could not win the election.
If he wins that has meaning.

"Biden is still worse" - Dumb people, probably

WingsOfGood posted...

No.

1. He had an enemy to fight
2. He made sure the rich backed him, such as big Oil. Jailed those who did not
3. He put certain people loyal to him in high positions of power

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-15047823

Trump's plan coincide to accomplish these same things.

Your hypothetical protests against Trump will never happen because if that many people refuse him he could not win the election.
If he wins that has meaning.

Trump actually has advantages here in that he has people ALREADY who excuse everything he does.
And he has people who think he is literally a messenger of God himself and the only one who can carry out God's will in this country.
These type of people are ok with other things as long as they get something like Abortion banned and infact they usually are supportive of mass deportation of immigrants.

Ok then its a matter of agreeing to disagree at this point (well outside the fact that this is a bad thing regardless)

Doom_Art posted...

"Biden is still worse" - Dumb people, probably

Definitely dumb people