Current Events > Eight years later, Hillary is still blaming everyone but herself for losing

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AceMos posted...

people will talk about how unfair the DNC is to bernie about how unfair the system is

but the moment you mention how broken the EC is in regards to hillary it suddenly is not valid

and let me be clear here hillary absolutly 100% would be doing the same shit as biden is in regards to gaza and it would be awful and id 100% want her on trial for war crimes just like i do biden

but well we saw what trump did we saw history play out exactly how ppl where warned it would

I was about to comment how stupid this post was about the EC until I noticed it was AceMos. Living up to his gimmick.

I mean, the amount of absolute vitriol Hilary gets has a pretty obvious base in rampant sexism and the decades long smear campaign put forth by the GOP, if only because she just continues to do typical politician shit and no one seems to be as despised as her.

but also she's objectively awful, was an absolute disaster of a choice for the democrats to run and the establishment's insistence on running a candidate with the charisma of a GameFAQs admin did an incalculable amount of damage to this country.

pjnelson posted...

It's odd how people expect women to stick together solely based on gender. They assume only men are against abortion, as no woman would be pro-life. They assume the female Ghostbusters was just hated by sexist men. These are all horribly incorrect.

I know so many women that always hated Hillary and posted anti-Hillary jokes and memes on a regular basis. They didn't care if she had ovaries. I know so many women that are passionately Republican and firmly pro-life. I know just as many women as men that hated female Ghostbusters.

This is something that pisses me off twom every time something horrible happens with abortion you have ppl talking about forcing males to get thw snip. This literally forgets Republicans women. In some states if no men voted these abortion things would still pass because of them. So attacking men in which some demos literally vote pro choice at upwards to 90% ain't helping and forgetting who helped get it passed.

lilORANG posted...

I'd also blame the 70 million people who voted for a transparently corrupt gameshow host and social media influencer.

Honestly, this. I put a lot of that blame on Meme Culture.. from the terminally-onlines who don't seem to understand actual real life.

sfcalimari posted...

"Don't worry about Roe v Wade! Trump was just joking! Hillary will easily win against Trump! But definitely don't vote for her because integrity Bernie was robbed pizzagate but emails! Oh, she lost? Well that's all her fault! What do you mean I told you not to vote for her, I definitely never did that!"

/Berniebusters

More people switched from Hillary to McCain then From Sanders to Trump.

God I hope not to see a topic like this in November if Trump somehow wins

ClayGuida posted...

People itt literally acting like Hillary wasn't almost president.

'She was a putrid candidate'

One that was less than 100k votes from becoming president. She wasn't nearly as bad as trolls claim. It sometimes just comes down to people hating women, and women tend to hate women as much as men sometimes.

lolwut

It was her turn!

While I completely understand why he didn't run, it's still annoying to think that had Biden run in 2016, he probably would've mopped the floor with Trump and we'd be in a much better place right now

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@Vigero is Vigrim from 261, who welched on closing his account and still believes Trump won 2020

He should not be taken seriously by anyone

She would have won, honestly, but we don't have elections that represent the will of the people what with gerrymandering as stopgap one and the Electoral College as stopgap two.

tremain07 posted...

God I hope not to see a topic like this in November if Trump somehow wins

Nah, it will just be the countless flood of self felating topics from people doing their "see, I told you so!" tour of blaming Biden on all kinds of things for not winning.

Honestly the only thing I remember about her campaign was hyping up the idea of the first woman president. Felt like that was the most important thing to her.

LeoRavus posted...

Honestly the only thing I remember about her campaign was hyping up the idea of the first woman president. Felt like that was the most important thing to her.

That's all the media saw fit to say about her. Nothing about her positions, nothing about her plans, nothing about her policies, just about her being a woman.

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I know Trump was awful as a candidate and I wanted Hillary to win to prevent that...

But that shit is SO FUCKING FUNNY

The incredibly well known first lady/Senator losing to a black newcomer and then struggling against a socialist from Vermont, in retrospect, should have been a red flag regarding her general election chances.

AceMos posted...

people will talk about how unfair the DNC is to bernie about how unfair the system is

People complain about Bernie's primaries because the level of coordination by party elites against the progressive movement was unprecedented. I don't think Bernie could've won the 2016 primary even if the DNC did nothing, but the fact that they broke their neutrality clause at all is worth condemnation.

By contrast the EC rules aren't a secret and apply equally every election. Nobody was pressuring Hillary electors to switch to Trump. She just didn't get enough electors.

BunkerBoy posted...

@Vigero is Vigrim from 261, who welched on closing his account and still believes Trump won 2020

He should not be taken seriously by anyone

Care to back this claim up?

Do I really have to link people to the topic where I requested this from you several times and you never once did?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1406-the-blacklist/80748209

Email and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

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-ZIO- posted...

She would have won, honestly, but we don't have elections that represent the will of the people what with gerrymandering as stopgap one and the Electoral College as stopgap two.

Gerrymandering has no impact whatsoever on statewide elections.

Vigero posted...

Care to back this claim up?

Do I really have to link people to the topic where I requested this from you several times and you never once did?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1406-the-blacklist/80748209

@Vigero All you've succeeded in doing is pointing out that you won't admit Trump lost 2020 Vigrim

I'll ask again, and you'll run away: Can you admit Biden won 2020 fairly?

Diceheist posted...

I don't think Bernie could've won the 2016 primary even if the DNC did nothing, but the fact that they broke their neutrality clause at all is worth condemnation.

I think he had an excellent chance of winning the primary, but they were always ready with the McCarthy-era play of shouting "COMMUNIST" if Clinton ever had to actually contend with him in any meaningful way.

Which is why I find it incredibly frustrating that people will then try to portray Clinton as this super progressive pro-woman pro-equality Christlike figure...and those who did not vote for her as the sole and primary reason why she lost the election to Trump.

You'd think after losing to populist Obama and struggling against populist Bernie, she wouldn't go with the usual "actually things are fine, let's be cynical!" approach with fake-populist Trump, but uhh...

I remember seeing a vid of an interview she gave during the 2016 primary where she mocked Obama's message of hope as "waving a magic wand". Like wow, amazing how she lost when she was as cynical as she was during hard times.

Kimberly posted...

I think he had an excellent chance of winning the primary, but they were always ready with the McCarthy-era play of shouting "COMMUNIST" if Clinton ever had to actually contend with him in any meaningful way.

Which is why I find it incredibly frustrating that people will then try to portray Clinton as this super progressive pro-woman pro-equality Christlike figure...and those who did not vote for her as the sole and primary reason why she lost the election to Trump.

Literally no one has done any of that here.

Her idea of "relating" for the youth vote was to just say "Pokemon Go to The Polls" literally might has well have just said "Pikachu Go Vote, I'm cool like you please like me". She's never gonna get it.

Shouldn't she be more worried about her predator husband?

toadfan64 posted...

Shouldn't she be more worried about her predator husband?

You sound like a butthurt Trumper

BunkerBoy posted...

You sound like a butthurt Trumper

lol. Multiple people can be awful

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

You'd think after losing to populist Obama and struggling against populist Bernie, she wouldn't go with the usual "actually things are fine, let's be cynical!" approach with fake-populist Trump, but uhh...

I remember seeing a vid of an interview she gave during the 2016 primary where she mocked Obama's message of hope as "waving a magic wand". Like wow, amazing how she lost when she was as cynical as she was during hard times.

When she was asked how shed court Bernie supporters she just said Im winning. Thats how entitled she was.

divot1338 posted...

Literally no one has done any of that here.

You don't think calling women who didn't vote for Hillary handmaidens qualifies as that?

That's weird.

Kimberly posted...

You don't think calling women who didn't vote for Hillary handmaidens qualifies as that?

That's weird.

I think that of the one hundred thirty eight posts precisely two could conceivably said to be doing that; yours definitely and some edgelord posting a meme pic.

So no.

divot1338 posted...

I think that of the one hundred thirty eight posts precisely two could conceivably said to be doing that; yours definitely and some edgelord posting a meme pic.

So no.

What you're missing is that everyone else is taking "here" as referring to CE or even all of GameFAQs, not solely this topic.

She lost because of me.

I think she lost the black vote too in addition to female voters.

Kimberly posted...

You don't think calling women who didn't vote for Hillary handmaidens qualifies as that?

The one post with the meme wasn't doing that, it was a joke in which the world has become a Christo-fascist dystopia, and showing people who DIDN'T want that but helped make it happen by giving the GOP power due to their hatred of Hillary Clinton.

I never liked Clinton and I wanted Sanders to get the nomination, but we need to stop with the narrative in the OP. Clinton didn't lose the election, it was stolen from her. And I don't just mean "she won the popular vote" - Trump didn't legitimately win the electoral colleage, the GOP stole it for him with massive unconstitutional vote suppression. It was Bush in Florida in 2000 all over again, but on a much bigger scale across multiple states. And that's before you consider that there was probably Russian interference on Trump's behalf, equally illegal.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

I never liked Clinton and I wanted Sanders to get the nomination, but we need to stop with the narrative in the OP. Clinton didn't lose the election, it was stolen from her. And I don't just mean "she won the popular vote" - Trump didn't legitimately win the electoral colleage, the GOP stole it for him with massive unconstitutional vote suppression. It was Bush in Florida in 2000 all over again, but on a much bigger scale across multiple states. And that's before you consider that there was probably Russian interference on Trump's behalf, equally illegal.

Also, James Comey

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

I never liked Clinton and I wanted Sanders to get the nomination, but we need to stop with the narrative in the OP. Clinton didn't lose the election, it was stolen from her. And I don't just mean "she won the popular vote" - Trump didn't legitimately win the electoral colleage, the GOP stole it for him with massive unconstitutional vote suppression. It was Bush in Florida in 2000 all over again, but on a much bigger scale across multiple states. And that's before you consider that there was probably Russian interference on Trump's behalf, equally illegal.

This may all be true, but she also did and didn't do enough to lose on her own. And there was already plenty of domestic discontent for Republicans and Russians to work with, that's what both Sanders and Trump relied on. I haven't seen any evidence that Russians changed the votes, only that they inflamed existing social divisions that weren't being addressed by the establishment of either party and Hilldawg represented that establishment more than anyone.

legendary_zell posted...

This may all be true, but she also did and didn't do enough to lose on her own. And there was already plenty of domestic discontent for Republicans and Russians to work with, that's what both Sanders and Trump relied on. I haven't seen any evidence that Russians changed the votes, only that they inflamed existing social divisions that weren't being addressed by the establishment of either party and Hilldawg represented that establishment more than anyone.

Yeah I dont really like the stolen election rhetoric.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Yeah I dont really like the stolen election rhetoric.

It's not rhetoric, it's a fact.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

It's not rhetoric, it's a fact.

Its unquantifiable, which means it may as well be vapor. You can say its likely, but theres no way to measure the effect, which means youre basically just pulling an outcome out of your ass without evidence.

There are basically 6 possibilities:

1. In the absence of nebulous Russian interference and Comeys letter, Hillary wins
2. In the absence of nebulous Russian interference and Comeys letter, Hillary still loses
3. In the absence of nebulous Russian interference but with Comeys letter, Hillary wins
4. In the absence of nebulous Russian interference but with Comeys letter, Hillary still loses
5. With nebulous Russian interference but without Comeys letter, Hillary wins
6. With nebulous Russian interference but without Comeys letter, Hillary still loses

No one knows what the cause of roughly 70,000 votes across three Rust Belt states she took for granted shifting the election was. It could have been nebulous Russian interference, it could have been Comeys letter, and it could have just been that she was exactly the wrong sort of candidate to run at that time and was doomed to lose regardless. Well probably never know.

There was Republican interference.

Jim Comey

There was Russian interference.

Hacked DNC emails, literally eveything about Paul Manafort, contents of Mueller report

And there was damn sure Interference by the Trump campaign.

We dont have to quantify a goddamn thing more than that. Its concerted, widespread election rigging in collusion with a hostile foreign country.

PraetorXyn posted...

Its unquantifiable

Wrong:

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/investigative-reporter-greg-palast-gop-stole-2016-election-using-voter-suppression-purging-ploys/
https://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/

Your post is all about Russian interference and Comey's letter, and those probably were factors, but you're disregarding the most important factor: massive unconstitutional vote suppression by the GOP in multiple swing states.

BunkerBoy posted...

@Vigero All you've succeeded in doing is pointing out that you won't admit Trump lost 2020 Vigrim

I'll ask again, and you'll run away: Can you admit Biden won 2020 fairly?

I'll ask again - where is the proof I asked of you multiple times?

No more distractions. No more bait. No more excuses. Post it, or admit that you're a liar.

Vigero posted...

I'll ask again - where is the proof I asked of you multiple times?

No more distractions. No more bait. No more excuses. Post it, or admit that you're a liar.

Well while he's looking for his proof, can you tell me if Biden won a fair election in 2020?