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pinky0926
05/17/24 4:37:19 AM
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I have seen all the following opinions:

  • incel right wingers are just predictably mad at a POC being involved in anything
  • There was in fact a famous black person in Nobunaga's court or something
  • It's historically inaccurate to portray him as a samurai when he was likely just a retainer
  • Since when did we care about historical accuracy in an ass creed game
  • Ubisoft being groundbreaking as usual by having a big strong guy and a smol stealthy woman
  • It's just ubisoft pandering
  • If they wanted to pander why didn't they just have a legit japanese guy as a samurai
  • I don't remember everyone being upset about afro samurai
Are all of these things true all at once?

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sfcalimari
05/17/24 4:44:43 AM
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lol, Gamers

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Aloc
05/17/24 5:28:15 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
historically inaccurate to portray him as a samurai when he was likely just a retainer
No he was a samurai. You fell for the right wing propaganda.

Even a Japanese video game like Nioh depicts him as a samurai.

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IceCreamOnStero
05/17/24 5:30:02 AM
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The correct opinion is being confused ablut why anybody would give a fuck about Ubislop protagonists in the year 2024.

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MEGAsoldier
05/17/24 5:59:40 AM
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Aloc posted...
No he was a samurai. You fell for the right wing propaganda.

Even a Japanese video game like Nioh depicts him as a samurai.

Is wikipedia right wing propaganda
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evilpresident
05/17/24 6:07:39 AM
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sfcalimari posted...
lol, Gamers


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pinky0926
05/17/24 6:19:14 AM
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MEGAsoldier posted...
Is wikipedia right wing propaganda

I did a little digging. Seems there's few accounts of yasuke, but what there is is reference to him being given stipends and having the duty of carrying nobunagas swords. Both are samurai things specifically. Bit odd that there's not more history about him though.

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pegusus123456
05/17/24 6:22:20 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
incel right wingers are just predictably mad at a POC being involved in anything

pinky0926 posted...
There was in fact a famous black person in Nobunaga's court or something

pinky0926 posted...
Since when did we care about historical accuracy in an ass creed game

pinky0926 posted...
I don't remember everyone being upset about afro samurai
These are the true ones

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PBusted
05/17/24 6:23:25 AM
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Racists are mad there's a playable black character. This is more obvious than Gamergate.
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ninjaman44
05/17/24 6:28:40 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
I did a little digging. Seems there's few accounts of yasuke, but what there is is reference to him being given stipends and having the duty of carrying nobunagas swords. Both are samurai things specifically. Bit odd that there's not more history about him though.
He was a foreigner who gained some prominence due to having Nobunaga's favor. Once the latter was dead, I'm not sure anyone was left who cared about him, hence why he pretty much vanished from record.

As for the samurai thing, apparently during the sengoku period samurai was a term that was used more loosely to describe any warrior outside of conscripts, and he would be considered a samurai as Nobunaga's retainer. The whole samurai caste thing was later during the edo period. I'm not at all an expert on this kind of thing, it's just what I've read after looking into it a bit.
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ssjevot
05/17/24 6:35:01 AM
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Copying this post I made from another topic:
I think a big problem is samurai is like katana in that English word is not the word used in Japanese. In Japanese a katana is just single sided bladed weapon, including similar European weapons, a Japanese katana is a nihontou . Similarly samurai is not the word used for the hereditary warrior class, bushi is. And a samurai family is a buke. So the question would be was Yasuke made a buke? And according to Japanese Wikipedia, two different history sites I found, and NHK (basically Japanese BBC) he was. So this whole retainer/samurai argument is a bunch of needling over English words. As far as Japan is concerned he was made part of the hereditary warrior class by Nobunaga (specifically a Kashin).

I found a thread on Reddit by a Historian translating relevant sources:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1css0ye/was_yasuke_a_samurai/

Additionally in Japan this isn't really a controversy or anything. He's featured in a lot of media, historical shows, games, drama, anime, manga. Never is there any kind of debate over whether or not he was a samurai. This is one of those things where Westerners like to explain other people's cultures to them (when they already got it wrong to begin with by using samurai when they really mean a member of the bushi class).

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GranAures
05/17/24 6:40:02 AM
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ssjevot posted...
Additionally in Japan this isn't really a controversy or anything.
This is my shocked face. Kind of like a lot of things that get bitched about in recent memory.

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ssjevot
05/17/24 6:46:17 AM
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GranAures posted...
This is my shocked face. Kind of like a lot of things that get bitched about in recent memory.

I mean Hideyoshi was literally a commoner who basically became shogun (he didn't take that title, but basically ruled Japan until his death). Sengoku jidai was a time when anything could happen, it was not the stable ordered society that followed in the Tokugawa shogunate. This is also way before Bushido is formalized and also most of the people fighting are actually just conscripts called Ashigaru.

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deanshow
05/17/24 6:53:31 AM
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I love how the Japanese don't give a fuck and it's really just morons throwing a bitch fit over it. When they didn't complain about historically inaccurate portrayals of white historical figures.

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GranAures
05/17/24 7:12:27 AM
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ssjevot posted...
I mean Hideyoshi was literally a commoner who basically became shogun
I learned things. I like learning things.

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teep_
05/17/24 7:18:16 AM
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MEGAsoldier posted...
Is wikipedia right wing propaganda
German Wikipedia summarises him as "Japanese Samurai" fwiw

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pazzy
05/17/24 7:21:52 AM
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There was never a doubt that this guy existed. The "historical experts" always appear out of nowhere to be wrong when they want to try to pretend they aren't racist.

Right up there with "I did my own research" people that deny vaccines.
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Beveren_Rabbit
05/17/24 10:43:20 AM
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Afrosamurai takes place in a steam-punk version of Japan so no one had an issue.

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RetuenOfDevsman
05/17/24 11:09:44 AM
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The only correct response is "Who TF still plays Ass Creed"?

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Vicious_Dios
05/17/24 11:12:37 AM
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Where's the Goshdarn poll for this?

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Prismsblade
05/17/24 11:17:58 AM
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Probably wont be a good game. Which is generally the case for any and all media where such things are the only takeaway and you would never have even heard of it if not for the controversy.


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DarthAragorn
05/17/24 11:19:33 AM
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...
Afrosamurai takes place in a steam-punk version of Japan so no one had an issue.
This is a series where you have a fist fight with the pope and has magical artifacts everywhere left behind by the human but better race that came before humans

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McMarbles
05/17/24 11:20:20 AM
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ACKSHUALLY its about ethics in feudal Japanese history
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Tyranthraxus
05/17/24 11:25:50 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
I did a little digging. Seems there's few accounts of yasuke, but what there is is reference to him being given stipends and having the duty of carrying nobunagas swords. Both are samurai things specifically. Bit odd that there's not more history about him though.

Because he was an extremely minor historical figure who only lived in Japan for 3 years and only half of that time was spent as Nobunaga's bodyguard and the other half was as a slave to some European merchant from India. We literally don't even know what his name was before Nobunaga named him Yasuke.

He's popular now because Western culture is just now realizing he exists despite documentation of him having been available for centuries.

His circumstances are a bit extraordinary but he didn't really have an impact on history that necessitated documenting it.


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pazzy
05/17/24 11:27:05 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
Probably wont be a good game. Which is generally the case for any and all media where such things are the only takeaway and you would never have even heard of it if not for the controversy.
It's assassin's creed. If you haven't heard of that, you've been living under a rock.
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MaxEffingBemis
05/17/24 11:31:52 AM
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MEGAsoldier posted...
Is wikipedia right wing propaganda
I mean Wikipedia has had like hundreds of edits this week on yasukes page because editors keep arguing over it

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Tyranthraxus
05/17/24 11:32:37 AM
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(17th game in the series)

"You'd have never heard of this game if it weren't for this controversy."

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Prismsblade
05/17/24 11:34:26 AM
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pazzy posted...
It's assassin's creed. If you haven't heard of that, you've been living under a rock.
Which assassins creed specifically? Im aware of the brand but that doesnt mean Ive played or kept up with the series.

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PraetorXyn
05/17/24 11:35:21 AM
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Eh. I wanted an Assassins Creed in feudal Japan from the moment I played the first one, but I feel like theyre at least a decade too late at this point and I have no interest after not playing the last 15 of them or something?

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NoxObscuras
05/17/24 11:35:28 AM
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Gonna save some of this info for later, because I know people will continue complaining lol

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HighSeraph
05/17/24 11:36:34 AM
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Who's the woman btw? Anyone of historical significance or just someone made up like Ezio and Altair?

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pazzy
05/17/24 11:36:58 AM
#32:


Prismsblade posted...
Which assassins creed specifically? Im aware of the brand but that doesnt mean Ive played or kept up with the series.
What do you mean "which assassin's creed?" That's like saying you've never heard of call of duty or final fantasy. It's fine if you haven't played it, but saying what you say is just nonsense.
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MaxEffingBemis
05/17/24 11:37:09 AM
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HighSeraph posted...
Who's the woman btw? Anyone of historical significance or just someone made up like Ezio and Altair?
Just someone made up

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HighSeraph
05/17/24 11:38:33 AM
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It's funny to think that the only reason they're not whining about the woman player character is because they're more racist than misogynist lol

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Tyranthraxus
05/17/24 11:41:30 AM
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HighSeraph posted...
It's funny to think that the only reason they're not whining about the woman player character is because they're more racist than misogynist lol

They've had playable female characters since brotherhood (MP only) and campaign (since Liberation) so any bitching about this has probably long since gotten out of their system.

Instead they actually complained there was no female character option when they made the France game.

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NoxObscuras
05/17/24 11:41:35 AM
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HighSeraph posted...
Who's the woman btw? Anyone of historical significance or just someone made up like Ezio and Altair?
She's made up, but her father is an actual historical figure. Her father is Fujibayashi Nagato, a ninja from the warring states period.

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Were_Wyrm
05/17/24 11:44:48 AM
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I'm just waiting for the mod that "fixes" it and the mod getting taken down and the persecution complex starts all over again.

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HighSeraph
05/17/24 11:45:43 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
They've had playable female characters since brotherhood (MP only) and campaign (since Liberation) so any bitching about this has probably long since gotten out of their system.

Instead they actually complained there was no female character option when they made the France game.
Oh, I haven't played since black flag

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Tyranthraxus
05/17/24 11:46:28 AM
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Were_Wyrm posted...
I'm just waiting for the mod that "fixes" it and the mod getting taken down and the persecution complex starts all over again.
Might be hard to mod this game it's got always online drm and Ubisoft drm has notoriously been some of the worst in the business. One time it was so bad they had to sell a pirated copy of their own game.

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HashtagSEP
05/17/24 11:46:58 AM
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HighSeraph posted...
It's funny to think that the only reason they're not whining about the woman player character is because they're more racist than misogynist lol

One guy here that got suspended actually did complain about both. He was very mad the options were black man and Asian woman. He said it should have been Asian man and black woman, so that he could avoid playing as both the black person and the woman as much as possible.

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Sufferedphoenix
05/17/24 11:48:19 AM
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The idea or concept doesn't interest me. So I likely won't be playing unless I hear amazing things. I don't care if other people enjoy it, let them have their fun.

Not really big into samurai stuff and already had my fill with ghost of tsushima.

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TheGoldenEel
05/17/24 11:52:07 AM
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Gamers get mad that theres a POC in their game first, then work backwards to justify it

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NoxObscuras
05/17/24 11:54:53 AM
#43:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Might be hard to mod this game it's got always online drm and Ubisoft drm has notoriously been some of the worst in the business. One time it was so bad they had to sell a pirated copy of their own game.
I really hope they change their decision about the always online. I'm actually interested in the game, but damn I hate that so many single player games are forcing that.

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ssjevot
05/17/24 11:55:49 AM
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MaxEffingBemis posted...
I mean Wikipedia has had like hundreds of edits this week on yasukes page because editors keep arguing over it

Japanese Wikipedia remains unchanged listing him as a bushi and including him on the foreign born bushi page. This entire controversy is in English, which makes it all the more funny they keep pretending to be offended for Japanese gamers (because there is allegedly a shortage of games with a Japanese protagonist...).

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ssjevot
05/17/24 11:56:05 AM
#45:


NoxObscuras posted...
I really hope they change their decision about the always online. I'm actually interested in the game, but damn I hate that so many single player games are forcing that.

I actually heard they did.

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pazzy
05/17/24 11:57:13 AM
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ssjevot posted...
Japanese Wikipedia remains unchanged listing him as a bushi and including him on the foreign born bushi page. This entire controversy is in English, which makes it all the more funny they keep pretending to be offended for Japanese gamers (because there is allegedly a shortage of games with a Japanese protagonist...).
And really, it's not even a controversy to normal people. The people that it is a controversy to are probably the type of people that if lizard people were real, they'd be my first suspects.
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NoxObscuras
05/17/24 12:00:08 PM
#47:


ssjevot posted...
I actually heard they did.
Oh it looks like you're right. Only need Internet for part of the game install. Hell yeah then. Now to see how the gameplay is. Yasuke doesn't do stealth, so I'm assuming he'll play more action focused like Origins/Odyssey/Valhalla

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R_Jackal
05/17/24 12:01:59 PM
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The correct take is to not give a shit. Not like AC has been a Scion of historical accuracy up to now.
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sabin017
05/17/24 12:02:38 PM
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It's not woke, it's French.

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Tyranthraxus
05/17/24 12:06:00 PM
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NoxObscuras posted...
Oh it looks like you're right. Only need Internet for part of the game install. Hell yeah then. Now to see how the gameplay is. Yasuke doesn't do stealth, so I'm assuming he'll play more action focused like Origins/Odyssey/Valhalla

Yasuke is pure combat he has only some very bad stealth abilities & no hidden blade so he can't assassinate anyone even if you somehow manage to sneak up on them.

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