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Yawn_Master2 05/16/24 4:25:14 AM #1: |
I think the most fun I have in video games is when I'm immersed in the game. When I've forgotten life outside of the game, I come out of that experience thinking the game was great.
Assassin Creed games are an alternate history. African humans were not ninjas in Japan, ever. Without playing the game it feels hard to get immersed in the game without that discrepancy accounted for in a satisfactory manner. Thus, let's critisize it before we see how Ubisoft overcomes that challenge. --- "Trying to define yourself is like trying to bite your own teeth." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tremain07 05/16/24 4:27:50 AM #2: |
But the woke
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TheWizardOfOrz 05/16/24 4:28:20 AM #3: |
Yawn_Master2 posted... Assassin Creed games are an alternate history. Assassin Creed games are an alternate history. alternate history. I feel like you solved your own problem explaining it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Humble_Novice 05/16/24 4:28:39 AM #4: |
Don't you mean Black samurai? There's a keen difference between samurai and ninja.
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GuerrillaSoldier 05/16/24 4:29:11 AM #5: |
isn't he a samurai and not a ninja? or is there a different character?
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Yawn_Master2 05/16/24 4:31:27 AM #6: |
Yes....... I meant samurai. The dots aren't that I'm annoyed... I'm embarrassed. Yes I meant samurai.
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RchHomieQuanChi 05/16/24 4:33:24 AM #7: |
There's no conclusive information one way or the other if Yasuke was a Samurai, but it's Assassin's Creed so they're allowed to take historical liberties.
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ssjevot 05/16/24 4:33:25 AM #8: |
Why are people fighting over this nonsense and not focusing on them making a single player game always online? We saw what they do with these games. It will eventually have the servers get shutdown and become unplayable.
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Enclave 05/16/24 4:35:16 AM #9: |
ssjevot posted...
Why are people fighting over this nonsense and not focusing on them making a single player game always online? We saw what they do with these games. It will eventually have the servers get shutdown and become unplayable. To be fair? I don't care that it's always online specifically because I don't buy AC games any more, Black Flag was the last Ubisoft game worth buying. --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nukazie 05/16/24 4:35:55 AM #10: |
where's the character creation... this is 2024, jesus christ
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Mr_Karate_II 05/16/24 5:01:06 AM #11: |
People are really mad over the new character?
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BDSMKane 05/16/24 7:14:40 AM #12: |
ssjevot posted...
Why are people fighting over this nonsense and not focusing on them making a single player game always online? We saw what they do with these games. It will eventually have the servers get shutdown and become unplayable.QFT --- No matter our origin, we are all one family, we all share one planet, and we all need to feel loved and accepted. We are more alike than different. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DipDipDiver 05/16/24 7:22:10 AM #13: |
No need to defend the criticism at all. The game is what it is whether those people and you like it or not
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GiftedACIII 05/16/24 7:22:14 AM #14: |
I can' t tell if this topic is making fun of the racists or defending the racists.
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cjsdowg 05/16/24 7:41:55 AM #15: |
The whole base of the Assassin's Creed is bullshit. You can't relive shit from DNA.
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DnDer 05/16/24 7:43:55 AM #16: |
Mr_Karate_II posted...
People are really mad over the new character? Did you expect any different? Really? --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solar_Crimson 05/16/24 7:47:15 AM #18: |
Mr_Karate_II posted...
People are really mad over the new character?Yes. Gamers really don't want Black people in their games, unless they're far in the background. --- "Be good to yourself, because everyone else in the world is probably out to get you." - Dr. Harleen Quinzel ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ssjevot 05/16/24 7:49:54 AM #19: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4eb25238.jpg
Remember everyone melting down over the black samurai based on Yasuke in that game? Me neither. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Slayer2111 05/16/24 8:02:21 AM #20: |
ssjevot posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4eb25238.jpg Kind of a disingenuous comparison, and I think you know that. --- JR looks like an obese potato ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ssjevot 05/16/24 8:06:36 AM #21: |
Slayer2111 posted...
Kind of a disingenuous comparison, and I think you know that. Yeah, you're right. This one is explicitly based on the historical guy that actually existed instead of fully fictional like Neo Contra. Would be great if someone could make a list of acceptable black samurai characters for games. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 05/16/24 8:07:35 AM #22: |
I don't care what the opinions of "muh immersion" gamers are, and neither should anyone else.
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Foppe 05/16/24 8:08:51 AM #23: |
Yasuke.
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LeoRavus 05/16/24 8:08:52 AM #24: |
There appears to be a Japanese female playable character, so why don't people upset about the black one just use her.
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blackrider76 05/16/24 8:09:17 AM #25: |
ssjevot posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4eb25238.jpg Man, fuck that game. Not because of the game itself, but because my brother plays it all the time. --- Preparation is the last refuge of the weak ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 05/16/24 8:09:42 AM #26: |
LeoRavus posted...
There appears to be a Japanese female playable character, so why don't people upset about the black one just use her.The people whose poor little feelings get hurt over the existence of black characters in games will also get upset about the existence of female characters. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solar_Crimson 05/16/24 8:10:23 AM #27: |
LeoRavus posted...
There appears to be a Japanese female playable character, so why don't people upset about the black one just use her. Solar_Crimson posted... Gamers really don't want Black people in their games, unless they're far in the background. --- "Be good to yourself, because everyone else in the world is probably out to get you." - Dr. Harleen Quinzel ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 05/16/24 8:10:30 AM #28: |
Has Assassin Creed ever had an asian protag before? Getting upset the character is black is dumb, however if they shafted an asian protag for this that is something. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ssjevot 05/16/24 8:12:23 AM #29: |
blackrider76 posted...
Man, fuck that game. Dude I love that game. I love basically all the Contra games excluding the Western shovelware ones (that's like every Konami series). --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TMOG 05/16/24 8:12:27 AM #30: |
Yawn_Master2 posted... Assassin Creed games are an alternate history.Um ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ssjevot 05/16/24 8:13:18 AM #31: |
WingsOfGood posted...
Has Assassin Creed ever had an asian protag before? Yes. https://store.steampowered.com/app/354380/Assassins_Creed_Chronicles_China/ --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Intro2Logic 05/16/24 8:23:04 AM #32: |
Assassin's Creed is the series where you jump off the tallest building in town and survive unscathed by landing in a pile of leaves. Do I have that correct?
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blackrider76 05/16/24 8:27:15 AM #33: |
ssjevot posted...
Dude I love that game. I love basically all the Contra games excluding the Western shovelware ones (that's like every Konami series). You tend to get sick of certain games and movies when your little brother plays them every week. Every. Single. Week. He does rotate his weekly choices now and then, like I remember him playing Hard Corps Uprising before, or just other shmups like Ikaruga, but those also got old after several months. --- Preparation is the last refuge of the weak ... Copied to Clipboard!
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cjsdowg 05/16/24 8:28:51 AM #34: |
ssjevot posted...
Just black characters in generalthese people will complain about black characters being in video games, movies, comics, TV ads. They hate black people for existing. They use "historical accuracy" to justify their racism, but when you point out all the other historical inaccuracies in a game, that's somehow okay. One time, I talked to a guy who praised The Last Samurai and said it was better. I broke down everything wrong with it, including the fact that the main character didn't even exist in real life. And this guy was cool with that. --- Biden is the greatest President ever. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kaldrenthebold 05/16/24 8:28:58 AM #35: |
GiftedACIII posted...
I can' t tell if this topic is making fun of the racists or defending the racists. --- http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u223/chocolateFRESH/arts/kraid.png - Thanks GP cosmonaut! http://i.imgur.com/TuJWAR8.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RetuenOfDevsman 05/16/24 8:29:28 AM #36: |
Yawn_Master2 posted...
Assassin Creed games are an alternate history.1. A what-kind-of history? 2. Neither were --- There's a difference between canon and not-stupid. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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St0rmFury 05/16/24 8:33:02 AM #37: |
Where does Afro Samurai stand in all of this?
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ssjevot 05/16/24 8:36:08 AM #38: |
https://www.koeitecmoamerica.com/sw5/character/character26.html
Is that Yasuke acceptable or is Koei Tecmo social engineering us through Samurai Warriors? How about another fully fictional black samurai just inspired by Yasuke? https://www.guiltygear.com/ggst/jp/character/nag/ Are Japanese companies trying to gaslight us into thinking black samurai are a thing? Just asking questions. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IceCreamOnStero 05/16/24 8:42:35 AM #39: |
Oh no, your immersion is ruined by playing as a black guy in another piece of Ubislop. Surely if you were playing as an Asian guy, picking up another useless collectable and playing another trail mission would feel soooo real!
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Solar_Crimson 05/16/24 8:43:09 AM #40: |
WingsOfGood posted...
Has Assassin Creed ever had an asian protag before?Even this game has an Asian protagonist. The Black samurai and a Japanese kunoichi are coprotagonists. --- "Be good to yourself, because everyone else in the world is probably out to get you." - Dr. Harleen Quinzel ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ssjevot 05/16/24 8:45:52 AM #41: |
cjsdowg posted...
Just black characters in generalthese people will complain about black characters being in video games, movies, comics, TV ads. They hate black people for existing. They use "historical accuracy" to justify their racism, but when you point out all the other historical inaccuracies in a game, that's somehow okay. One time, I talked to a guy who praised The Last Samurai and said it was better. I broke down everything wrong with it, including the fact that the main character didn't even exist in real life. And this guy was cool with that. Yeah remember everyone melting down over the fully fictional loosely based on a real person white protagonist in NiOh? Yeah me neither. Oh and that game also had Yasuke. Japanese companies clearly infected by DIE woke mind virus. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpiritSephiroth 05/16/24 8:48:15 AM #42: |
I'm just annoyed it's a half assed attempt at including a black character. Why not set it in a black setting where you actually delve deep into black history and characters? That'd be way more cool. It just feels like they're looking for brownie points. There are so many characters in Feudal Japan worth exploring and they settle on the one black character, when there are other much more important figures. Again it's so lazy.
Make a game based around black history. It's about time we had a big game like that, not indies but an actual AAA game. But no, that'd require some actual effort and respect towards the culture. Something these huge corporations have no intention of doing. Edit: Assassins Creed freedom cry was pretty good, now they can try and make a whole game with something like that, not just an expansion. --- https://imgur.com/a/LYNS7ow https://imgur.com/a/knf9AoW https://imgur.com/a/TIIdBJT https://imgur.com/a/RYkMp5I https://imgur.com/a/48AD2yM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Baron_Ox 05/16/24 8:49:58 AM #43: |
WingsOfGood posted...
Has Assassin Creed ever had an asian protag before?they didn't "shaft" an Asian protagonist for this, though. for one, they already had Yasuke in mind, so without him, there would likely be no story in the first place. secondly, like others have said, the other protagonist is a Japanese woman. --- "I could never encapsulate all my cosmicality on my own." - mr. MFN eXquire. https://imgur.com/4CDGncR ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sufferedphoenix 05/16/24 8:50:30 AM #44: |
cjsdowg posted...
The whole base of the Assassin's Creed is bullshit. You can't relive shit from DNA. Eh it's Sci fi mumbo jumbo that if you don't think too hard about sounds plausible. The idea living creatures have natural instincts due to memories of their ancestors. --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RetuenOfDevsman 05/16/24 8:53:31 AM #45: |
SpiritSephiroth posted...
I'm just annoyed it's a half assed attempt at including a black character. Why not set it in a black setting where you actually delve deep into black history and characters? That'd be way more cool. It just feels like they're looking for brownie points. There are so many characters in Feudal Japan worth exploring and they settle on the one black character, when there are other much more important figures. Again it's so lazy.There's probably a decent reason for it. For example, it could be looking at particular social issues in the setting. Kind of like how being black was relevant to Achilles's reclusiveness, or Aveline's infiltration style. EDIT: I guess I'd have had a better response if I had read past your first sentence. --- There's a difference between canon and not-stupid. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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blackrider76 05/16/24 8:59:57 AM #46: |
Baron_Ox posted...
they didn't "shaft" an Asian protagonist for this, though. Theres a viral post about how this is explicitly not the case, but I didnt look too deeply into it. --- Preparation is the last refuge of the weak ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sufferedphoenix 05/16/24 9:01:08 AM #47: |
SpiritSephiroth posted...
I'm just annoyed it's a half assed attempt at including a black character. Why not set it in a black setting where you actually delve deep into black history and characters? That'd be way more cool. It just feels like they're looking for brownie points. There are so many characters in Feudal Japan worth exploring and they settle on the one black character, when there are other much more important figures. Again it's so lazy. There is a ass creed game where you play a black woman during the slavery era of America. Had a weird gimmick of changing outfits to alter abilities and what places you could freely roam. She was a black girl lucky enough to be adopter by a rich white family so she had a high society type dress that would allow her access to most public places but combat and climbing I believe where restricted. Had a slave outfit forget what abilities it gave or removed. Then the typical assassin outfit which let you play like a normal creed game. --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Baron_Ox 05/16/24 9:03:21 AM #48: |
blackrider76 posted...
Theres a viral post about how this is explicitly not the case, but I didnt look too deeply into it. unless if the post was from someone behind the scenes at Ubisoft, idk how valid it is (I can't say, though, without seeing its contents). this game has been rumored/talked about for years, and Yasuke was always a part of it, from my experience, but it wasn't confirmed until fairly recently. --- "I could never encapsulate all my cosmicality on my own." - mr. MFN eXquire. https://imgur.com/4CDGncR ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpiritSephiroth 05/16/24 9:04:56 AM #49: |
Sufferedphoenix posted...
There is a ass creed game where you play a black woman during the slavery era of America. Had a weird gimmick of changing outfits to alter abilities and what places you could freely roam. Yeah it was liberation and I really enjoyed it. Again it was a spinoff, would be nice to have an Assassins Creed mainline game set in a slavery setting (Well not "nice", but interesting) that has a whole background for black characters going into their roots. Or maybe just set one in a black country? I'm sure they have a lot of untapped lore there that can be explored for the masses. --- https://imgur.com/a/LYNS7ow https://imgur.com/a/knf9AoW https://imgur.com/a/TIIdBJT https://imgur.com/a/RYkMp5I https://imgur.com/a/48AD2yM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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blackrider76 05/16/24 9:06:08 AM #50: |
Baron_Ox posted...
blackrider76 posted... https://twitter.com/infinitalecomic/status/1790613158622597382 This was the tweet being passed around, but again, it looks like they were describing AssCreed Memories instead. --- Preparation is the last refuge of the weak ... Copied to Clipboard!
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