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Yawn_Master2
05/16/24 4:25:14 AM
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I think the most fun I have in video games is when I'm immersed in the game. When I've forgotten life outside of the game, I come out of that experience thinking the game was great.

Assassin Creed games are an alternate history.

African humans were not ninjas in Japan, ever.

Without playing the game it feels hard to get immersed in the game without that discrepancy accounted for in a satisfactory manner. Thus, let's critisize it before we see how Ubisoft overcomes that challenge.

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05/16/24 4:27:50 AM
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TheWizardOfOrz
05/16/24 4:28:20 AM
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Yawn_Master2 posted...
Assassin Creed games are an alternate history.

African humans were not ninjas in Japan, ever.


Assassin Creed games are an alternate history.

alternate history.

I feel like you solved your own problem explaining it.

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Humble_Novice
05/16/24 4:28:39 AM
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Don't you mean Black samurai? There's a keen difference between samurai and ninja.

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GuerrillaSoldier
05/16/24 4:29:11 AM
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isn't he a samurai and not a ninja? or is there a different character?


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Yawn_Master2
05/16/24 4:31:27 AM
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Yes....... I meant samurai. The dots aren't that I'm annoyed... I'm embarrassed. Yes I meant samurai.

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RchHomieQuanChi
05/16/24 4:33:24 AM
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There's no conclusive information one way or the other if Yasuke was a Samurai, but it's Assassin's Creed so they're allowed to take historical liberties.

Honestly, it's a non-issue

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ssjevot
05/16/24 4:33:25 AM
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Why are people fighting over this nonsense and not focusing on them making a single player game always online? We saw what they do with these games. It will eventually have the servers get shutdown and become unplayable.

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Enclave
05/16/24 4:35:16 AM
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ssjevot posted...
Why are people fighting over this nonsense and not focusing on them making a single player game always online? We saw what they do with these games. It will eventually have the servers get shutdown and become unplayable.

To be fair? I don't care that it's always online specifically because I don't buy AC games any more, Black Flag was the last Ubisoft game worth buying.

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Nukazie
05/16/24 4:35:55 AM
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where's the character creation... this is 2024, jesus christ

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Mr_Karate_II
05/16/24 5:01:06 AM
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People are really mad over the new character?

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BDSMKane
05/16/24 7:14:40 AM
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ssjevot posted...
Why are people fighting over this nonsense and not focusing on them making a single player game always online? We saw what they do with these games. It will eventually have the servers get shutdown and become unplayable.
QFT

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DipDipDiver
05/16/24 7:22:10 AM
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No need to defend the criticism at all. The game is what it is whether those people and you like it or not

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GiftedACIII
05/16/24 7:22:14 AM
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I can' t tell if this topic is making fun of the racists or defending the racists.

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cjsdowg
05/16/24 7:41:55 AM
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The whole base of the Assassin's Creed is bullshit. You can't relive shit from DNA.

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DnDer
05/16/24 7:43:55 AM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
People are really mad over the new character?

Did you expect any different? Really?

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Solar_Crimson
05/16/24 7:47:15 AM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
People are really mad over the new character?
Yes. Gamers really don't want Black people in their games, unless they're far in the background.

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ssjevot
05/16/24 7:49:54 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4eb25238.jpg

Remember everyone melting down over the black samurai based on Yasuke in that game?

Me neither.

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Slayer2111
05/16/24 8:02:21 AM
#20:


ssjevot posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4eb25238.jpg

Remember everyone melting down over the black samurai based on Yasuke in that game?

Me neither.


Kind of a disingenuous comparison, and I think you know that.


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ssjevot
05/16/24 8:06:36 AM
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Slayer2111 posted...
Kind of a disingenuous comparison, and I think you know that.

Yeah, you're right. This one is explicitly based on the historical guy that actually existed instead of fully fictional like Neo Contra. Would be great if someone could make a list of acceptable black samurai characters for games.

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UnholyMudcrab
05/16/24 8:07:35 AM
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I don't care what the opinions of "muh immersion" gamers are, and neither should anyone else.

Calling the word immersion a dogwhistle in this context doesn't even do it justice. It's a goddamned foghorn.

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Foppe
05/16/24 8:08:51 AM
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Yasuke.

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LeoRavus
05/16/24 8:08:52 AM
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There appears to be a Japanese female playable character, so why don't people upset about the black one just use her.

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blackrider76
05/16/24 8:09:17 AM
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ssjevot posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4eb25238.jpg

Remember everyone melting down over the black samurai based on Yasuke in that game?

Me neither.

Man, fuck that game.

Not because of the game itself, but because my brother plays it all the time.

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UnholyMudcrab
05/16/24 8:09:42 AM
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LeoRavus posted...
There appears to be a Japanese female playable character, so why don't people upset about the black one just use her.
The people whose poor little feelings get hurt over the existence of black characters in games will also get upset about the existence of female characters.

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Solar_Crimson
05/16/24 8:10:23 AM
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LeoRavus posted...
There appears to be a Japanese female playable character, so why don't people upset about the black one just use her.

Solar_Crimson posted...
Gamers really don't want Black people in their games, unless they're far in the background.



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WingsOfGood
05/16/24 8:10:30 AM
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Has Assassin Creed ever had an asian protag before?
Getting upset the character is black is dumb, however if they shafted an asian protag for this that is something.

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ssjevot
05/16/24 8:12:23 AM
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blackrider76 posted...
Man, fuck that game.

Not because of the game itself, but because my brother plays it all the time.

Dude I love that game. I love basically all the Contra games excluding the Western shovelware ones (that's like every Konami series).

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TMOG
05/16/24 8:12:27 AM
#30:


Yawn_Master2 posted...
Assassin Creed games are an alternate history.

African humans were not ninjas in Japan, ever.
Um
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ssjevot
05/16/24 8:13:18 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Has Assassin Creed ever had an asian protag before?
Getting upset the character is black is dumb, however if they shafted an asian protag for this that is something.

Yes.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/354380/Assassins_Creed_Chronicles_China/

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Intro2Logic
05/16/24 8:23:04 AM
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Assassin's Creed is the series where you jump off the tallest building in town and survive unscathed by landing in a pile of leaves. Do I have that correct?

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blackrider76
05/16/24 8:27:15 AM
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ssjevot posted...
Dude I love that game. I love basically all the Contra games excluding the Western shovelware ones (that's like every Konami series).

You tend to get sick of certain games and movies when your little brother plays them every week.

Every.
Single.
Week.

He does rotate his weekly choices now and then, like I remember him playing Hard Corps Uprising before, or just other shmups like Ikaruga, but those also got old after several months.

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cjsdowg
05/16/24 8:28:51 AM
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ssjevot posted...


Yeah, you're right. This one is explicitly based on the historical guy that actually existed instead of fully fictional like Neo Contra. Would be great if someone could make a list of acceptable black samurai characters for games.

Just black characters in generalthese people will complain about black characters being in video games, movies, comics, TV ads. They hate black people for existing. They use "historical accuracy" to justify their racism, but when you point out all the other historical inaccuracies in a game, that's somehow okay. One time, I talked to a guy who praised The Last Samurai and said it was better. I broke down everything wrong with it, including the fact that the main character didn't even exist in real life. And this guy was cool with that.


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Kaldrenthebold
05/16/24 8:28:58 AM
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GiftedACIII posted...
I can' t tell if this topic is making fun of the racists or defending the racists.


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RetuenOfDevsman
05/16/24 8:29:28 AM
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Yawn_Master2 posted...
Assassin Creed games are an alternate history.

African humans were not ninjas in Japan, ever.
1. A what-kind-of history?
2. Neither were balls of magic sci-fi left behind by real-world deities who, as it turns out, were killed by a solar flare

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St0rmFury
05/16/24 8:33:02 AM
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Where does Afro Samurai stand in all of this?

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ssjevot
05/16/24 8:36:08 AM
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https://www.koeitecmoamerica.com/sw5/character/character26.html

Is that Yasuke acceptable or is Koei Tecmo social engineering us through Samurai Warriors?

How about another fully fictional black samurai just inspired by Yasuke?

https://www.guiltygear.com/ggst/jp/character/nag/

Are Japanese companies trying to gaslight us into thinking black samurai are a thing?

Just asking questions.

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IceCreamOnStero
05/16/24 8:42:35 AM
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Oh no, your immersion is ruined by playing as a black guy in another piece of Ubislop. Surely if you were playing as an Asian guy, picking up another useless collectable and playing another trail mission would feel soooo real!

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Solar_Crimson
05/16/24 8:43:09 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Has Assassin Creed ever had an asian protag before?
Getting upset the character is black is dumb, however if they shafted an asian protag for this that is something.
Even this game has an Asian protagonist. The Black samurai and a Japanese kunoichi are coprotagonists.

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ssjevot
05/16/24 8:45:52 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
Just black characters in generalthese people will complain about black characters being in video games, movies, comics, TV ads. They hate black people for existing. They use "historical accuracy" to justify their racism, but when you point out all the other historical inaccuracies in a game, that's somehow okay. One time, I talked to a guy who praised The Last Samurai and said it was better. I broke down everything wrong with it, including the fact that the main character didn't even exist in real life. And this guy was cool with that.

Yeah remember everyone melting down over the fully fictional loosely based on a real person white protagonist in NiOh? Yeah me neither.

Oh and that game also had Yasuke. Japanese companies clearly infected by DIE woke mind virus.

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SpiritSephiroth
05/16/24 8:48:15 AM
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I'm just annoyed it's a half assed attempt at including a black character. Why not set it in a black setting where you actually delve deep into black history and characters? That'd be way more cool. It just feels like they're looking for brownie points. There are so many characters in Feudal Japan worth exploring and they settle on the one black character, when there are other much more important figures. Again it's so lazy.

Make a game based around black history. It's about time we had a big game like that, not indies but an actual AAA game. But no, that'd require some actual effort and respect towards the culture. Something these huge corporations have no intention of doing.

Edit: Assassins Creed freedom cry was pretty good, now they can try and make a whole game with something like that, not just an expansion.

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Baron_Ox
05/16/24 8:49:58 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Has Assassin Creed ever had an asian protag before?
Getting upset the character is black is dumb, however if they shafted an asian protag for this that is something.
they didn't "shaft" an Asian protagonist for this, though.

for one, they already had Yasuke in mind, so without him, there would likely be no story in the first place.

secondly, like others have said, the other protagonist is a Japanese woman.

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Sufferedphoenix
05/16/24 8:50:30 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
The whole base of the Assassin's Creed is bullshit. You can't relive shit from DNA.

Eh it's Sci fi mumbo jumbo that if you don't think too hard about sounds plausible. The idea living creatures have natural instincts due to memories of their ancestors.

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RetuenOfDevsman
05/16/24 8:53:31 AM
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SpiritSephiroth posted...
I'm just annoyed it's a half assed attempt at including a black character. Why not set it in a black setting where you actually delve deep into black history and characters? That'd be way more cool. It just feels like they're looking for brownie points. There are so many characters in Feudal Japan worth exploring and they settle on the one black character, when there are other much more important figures. Again it's so lazy.

Make a game based around black history. It's about time we had a big game like that, not indies but an actual AAA game. But no, that'd require some actual effort and respect towards the culture. Something these huge corporations have no intention of doing.
There's probably a decent reason for it.

For example, it could be looking at particular social issues in the setting. Kind of like how being black was relevant to Achilles's reclusiveness, or Aveline's infiltration style.

EDIT: I guess I'd have had a better response if I had read past your first sentence.

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blackrider76
05/16/24 8:59:57 AM
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Baron_Ox posted...
they didn't "shaft" an Asian protagonist for this, though.

for one, they already had Yasuke in mind, so without him, there would likely be no story in the first place.

Theres a viral post about how this is explicitly not the case, but I didnt look too deeply into it.

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Sufferedphoenix
05/16/24 9:01:08 AM
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SpiritSephiroth posted...
I'm just annoyed it's a half assed attempt at including a black character. Why not set it in a black setting where you actually delve deep into black history and characters? That'd be way more cool. It just feels like they're looking for brownie points. There are so many characters in Feudal Japan worth exploring and they settle on the one black character, when there are other much more important figures. Again it's so lazy.

Make a game based around black history. It's about time we had a big game like that, not indies but an actual AAA game. But no, that'd require some actual effort and respect towards the culture. Something these huge corporations have no intention of doing.

Edit: Assassins Creed freedom cry was pretty good, now they can try and make a whole game with something like that, not just an expansion.

There is a ass creed game where you play a black woman during the slavery era of America. Had a weird gimmick of changing outfits to alter abilities and what places you could freely roam.

She was a black girl lucky enough to be adopter by a rich white family so she had a high society type dress that would allow her access to most public places but combat and climbing I believe where restricted. Had a slave outfit forget what abilities it gave or removed. Then the typical assassin outfit which let you play like a normal creed game.

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Baron_Ox
05/16/24 9:03:21 AM
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blackrider76 posted...
Theres a viral post about how this is explicitly not the case, but I didnt look too deeply into it.

unless if the post was from someone behind the scenes at Ubisoft, idk how valid it is (I can't say, though, without seeing its contents).

this game has been rumored/talked about for years, and Yasuke was always a part of it, from my experience, but it wasn't confirmed until fairly recently.

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SpiritSephiroth
05/16/24 9:04:56 AM
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
There is a ass creed game where you play a black woman during the slavery era of America. Had a weird gimmick of changing outfits to alter abilities and what places you could freely roam.

She was a black girl lucky enough to be adopter by a rich white family so she had a high society type dress that would allow her access to most public places but combat and climbing I believe where restricted. Had a slave outfit forget what abilities it gave or removed. Then the typical assassin outfit which let you play like a normal creed game.

Yeah it was liberation and I really enjoyed it. Again it was a spinoff, would be nice to have an Assassins Creed mainline game set in a slavery setting (Well not "nice", but interesting) that has a whole background for black characters going into their roots. Or maybe just set one in a black country? I'm sure they have a lot of untapped lore there that can be explored for the masses.

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blackrider76
05/16/24 9:06:08 AM
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Baron_Ox posted...
blackrider76 posted...

unless if the post was from someone behind the scenes at Ubisoft, idk how valid it is (I can't say, though, without seeing its contents).

this game has been rumored/talked about for years, and Yasuke was always a part of it, from my experience, but it wasn't confirmed until fairly recently.

https://twitter.com/infinitalecomic/status/1790613158622597382

This was the tweet being passed around, but again, it looks like they were describing AssCreed Memories instead.

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