Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 17 - A 1 Hour Video Lecture by Guest Professor Turbopuns

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PunishedBen posted...

My only hope is that blade decided to be 5head and doc save no one

That would be quite damning for the person I jailed.

But I want to hear who Blade protected first.

I mean... it's a pretty elaborate lie. And it checks out. I said "though" and "really" on N2, but never "though" on N4 or "really" on N6.

So like... if that's a lie, Ben's been preparing this one for a long time now.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I was going to scan you, then remembered Ben legitimately did slip in one of his neighbor chats that hes now going to pretend he cant give us.

So I'm curious... what slip are you referring to?

Kinda finding it hard to follow how you pinned Ben for a slip for neighbor chats that you weren't a part of.

That being said, scum Ben would absolutely go for NK last night just to get me to lynch another townie. So I'm not gonna set aside that possibility, but with how quickly Ben posted that third-party claim, I'm inclined to believe I was right on the mark about his shifty behavior being a third-party thing than a scum thing.

Well shit. Nice job Kirby/Blade and Ulti.

See aren't you glad I didn't shoot you now lol

UltimaterializerX posted...

The bit about 2 scum left and the impasse loop. It was TMI.

You're gonna have to cite a source for that. Last I recall, Ben wasn't the first person to use the term "impasse loop", and I don't think he was ever asserting that there were only two scum left.

Everything he's said so far makes far more sense as guilty-scanning third-party. He has no choice but to town side if he wants to win the game, given that scum could very easily betray and shoot him for the victory. I'd rather lynch the person I jailed, but I want to hear from Blade first.

I am assuming 2 scum, and I've borderline slipped that before, Ulti is right. But thats only because I was the third party that would make this most likely 4 + 1

Impasse loop is just how i refer to Ulti + Blade and why they are still alive. And i have been asserting that I think scum wants to keep the impasse loop alive, so that Ulti and Blade will kill each other. That is why we saw such whacky kills avoiding it alltogether in Isquen and mzero

UltimaterializerX posted...

He posted a chat the other day. With ctes I think?

This one, yeah? https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80768598/980392198

Where did he imply there were only two scum there? I'm really not following your logic...

Or hell, there's a possibility it's 2 + 1 + 1 left. I'm the 4th alignment

Kirby321 posted...

That would be quite damning for the person I jailed.

But I want to hear who Blade protected first.

Who did you jail?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Dont answer this before Blade shows up.

There is technically still an impasse loop.

Fair enough, we've pretty much got this on lock now anyway.

Isnt survivor generally not used here btw

UltimaterializerX posted...

Ben could you truly have scanned innocent eventually?

Im getting really tired of this trend where scans cant be trusted. Insane psychic broke my brain.

changmas posted...

Isnt survivor generally not used here btw

I was innocent nights 1 through 3 and night 5

I thought it was very fairly designed. My odds of being innocent and BP every night are very good, meaning the only way I could have been killed is getting lynched. I got unlucky getting scanned this night. I should have tried to trick or force Kirby to say the words I needed, but work really has been a bee atch this whole game.

The way my role works is why i think ctes is the third party, since he admits to scanning guilty too

UltimaterializerX posted...

Doesnt matter. Guilty scan. I do want his thoughts on who he thinks mafia is though since he claimed 3P.

I assure you I have thoughts on all of it. Just want to wait for blade

Huh. I didn't even bother reading the end of yesterday and planned to no action but I decided to make a covering my bases sort of play and... May have actually pulled off the save of the century?

Shortly before the deadline I saved "Ulti for the lulz" because I wanted to know if Kirby targeted me.

Why Ulti specifically was he was the most obvious kill on the planet on the 1% chance he wasn't scum.

But... It doesn't matter. You idiots killed the only town yesterday up for lynch and it's lylo and this town needs to die already. I don't care who Ulti scanned scum, because his scan can't ever be trusted after you morons lynched the only town of the grouping.

The save doesn't matter, the roleblock doesn't matter, the scan doesn't matter. Because it's lylo. Scum could've just no killed and nothing changes. Because it's lylo. Because this town is a bunch of morons.

Throw all the power claims out, none of them matter anymore.

And in fact, I'm betting no killing is exactly what they did.

So yeah.

Let's just finish throwing this game already.

Oh and ##Vote: Ctes

Couldn't care less who Ulti is claiming a scum scan on. I just want my vote to be on scum before you guys sheep him and throw the game.

And frankly it's amazing that town could have 3 no kill nights and possibly the worst scum player ever getting himself lynched day 1 and is still going to get wrecked.

The hell has happened to B8 towns while I've been mostly retired? How did people get this bad at Mafia?

Also I have no intention of making or reading another post today. After that mega throw of a day 5, you aren't worth getting angry at.

Well, if you can look past Blade being a whiny bitch, he said he protected Ulti. Which is... a very predictable answer, to say the least.

Guess I'll claim my action. I jailed IGCD last night.

So we can interpret four possible scenarios:

1. Scum tried to shoot Ulti and failed.
2. Scum tried to shoot IGCD and failed.
3. IGCD is scum and got blocked.
4. Scum no killed.

I think #2 is obscenely unlikely. Why would scum try to shoot IGCD twice in a row?

Well thanks for possibly saving me lol

UltimaterializerX posted...

Why not? Not a single shot at night has made a damn of sense and maybe they thought he wouldnt be protected twice in a row.

Regardless, your plan has variables and mine has a guilty scan. We wait on Bens thoughts and do it the guaranteed way. Its endgame, take the easy play first and figure out the rest later.

I mean at some point they have to start killing "confirmed" town/power claims.

Kirby321 posted...

I think #2 is obscenely unlikely. Why would scum try to shoot IGCD twice in a row?

lol the fact that you think that probably makes it the most likely. And if that's how you felt, why did you protect him?

So here's the thing, we've been operating on the assumption that IGCD was saved night 5 when there was a no kill. But ask yourself, why would scum even shoot IGCD in the first place that night?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c60a2d69.png

Sure, Ctes could be one, but given scum thinks I am town, that is at least a 3/4 chance IGCD was shooting town. MI was also a viable shot going into the day. We know scum is deep. So why would they fear IGCD at all? Why would they not want IGCD to live and shoot someone, to reduce town's numbers? I understand if you cant trust this fact until after i flip, but do come back to consider it.

So what am I proposing? That scum no killed on night 5? Well, if IGCD is scum then they could afford the night to no kill, because IGCD was just going to use his shot to shoot town anyway. The vig shot WAS effectively their night kill, as far as numbers go.

But then you ask, wait a minute what, how is IGCD's role a scum role? Scum hammerer is real and a super fun scum role. Make yourself look suspicious to earn a reward. Except IGCD played it the only way that makes sense. Imagine scum hammerer is IGCD's real role. You would have to claim it first post and be transparent about what you are trying to accomplish. It doesnt help IGCD's case that he committed to shooting a town Corrik if given the opportunity. Is scum kidnapper too much on top of a scum extra kill? Well, scum would have to work hard for it. IGCD would have to survive at least 3 days hammering the lynch. It isnt the craziest thing. Its almost crazier to believe Chang, Ctes, and IGCD are all town with killing power. 2 V 2 killing power makes more sense.

But IGCD has been so towny outside of just the role right?! This is where I first started suspecting IGCD actually. After the MI flip, I decided to pretend everyone is town vanilla. Who is the shadiest?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f1f0209f.png

This is the shadiest thing from yesterday. The first time IGCD has actually had to vote, because the rest of the times he just had to be the last. And this post is so weird coming from him. A cold and calculated post sniping MI, and not even a hint that he is stressed at the fact he is having to make the final vote that decides between me and MI. HE WAS THE DECIDING VOTE. And he chose MI with little hesitation, as if he always meant to, in the final 10 minutes of day.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c60a2d69.png

There is also no progression from this post where he does not list MI, to voting Mi at the end of day. His reasons for voting MI parrot Ulti as well

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3e3fb722.png
I didnt like that he felt the need to put justification in this post for why Death flipping town is a good thing. Doesnt sound like someone who is trying to shoot scum. And TOWN day vigs want all the glory. They want to make the MVP shot on scum. Where was that energy here? Missing

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3e3fb722.png
And "double confirming" Blade town? Isnt just ONE confirmed enough, especially for a doctor.

What killing Death really did is "proved" IGCD town, because then we know Death wasnt roleblocked. So this was a self serving shot

The only people who try to shoot IGCD on the night he was saved, is an Ulti and Ctes scum team. But that's not the correct worldview this game. Flip it. Ulti is town. I dont know why Ctes was ever really linked to him.

Does IGCD being scum mean Blade is also scum?

Not necessarily. I always thought Wallz spewed Blade town.Its entirely possible scum just got very lucky and Blade protected a scum member on the night they no killed, and they got to run with it. But I really dont think IGCD was the attempted night kill on night 5, and i really don't trust IGCD himself. He is my number 1 pick for scum. If Blade looks worse as a result, you can kill Blade after IGCD flips scum.

Blade's claimed action today makes sense as the person scum would try to kill, yes. Ulti is really the only choice..... But does it really make sense that Blade CHOSE to protect Ulti?
Meow1000 posted...

Why Ulti specifically was he was the most obvious kill on the planet on the 1% chance he wasn't scum.

He says himself. 1% chance. Its not very believable. This is the worst Blade has looked so far IMO if IGCD is scum here.

So what I want to ask IGCD is why vote MI yesterday?

One final point regarding something that's bothered me about IGCD all game. He has just been so damn agreeable. No one has ever questioned anything he's said or refuted any point he has made. He has never had to refute one of us. When you dont want to lynch IGCD, he is scum.

UltimaterializerX posted...

As for why the game is solved, its simple.

If God or Blade are scum, we lynch the host. Or they pulled a no kill perfect godfather confirmation gambit and Im just going to let them win. Theyd deserve it. Ben being scum means the impasse loop was a real slip, though. Blade and God are both town.

FDs reaction here means hes town. Im also town. Kirby is 99.99999999% town. If hes scum, Im letting him win.

Its Ben, Ctes, and Chang. Ctes = Lopen.

Thank you and youre welcome.

I think Perfect Godfather theory actually makes more sense than Chang and Ctes being scum. I neighbored both of them this game, and never got a whiff of bad vibes.
Though i think Ctes is Third party still.

So you can kill me today, just promise you wont let them win if it comes down to it. And please, tell me my logic is wrong and IGCD has to be town, because I want to figure out this damn game before i die. I had to engage Lopen mode last night to even get this far. I merged with his soul. I am now, Benopen

If ctes is bad he's Evil Troy, full stop.

A Ben who is open to the wildest of possibilities

Though, if IGCD was supposed to shoot Ulti last night, and the role blocked saved Ulti so that he could scan me, that will be hilariously sad

PunishedBen posted...

So you can kill me today, just promise you wont let them win if it comes down to it. And please, tell me my logic is wrong and IGCD has to be town

I think you actually raised some good and interesting points.

The only fault I could really find with your logic is comparing igcd's day vig shot to chang's lawyer. If he's a scum lawyer then past experience tells us he would only be allowed to lawyer scum. So it wouldn't really be a 2nd scum EK, it would be a form of confirmation camouflage.

But otherwise solid stuff and I'll be curious to see what IGCD says, especially regarding the MI stuff.

(Edit: swypos)

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I think you actually raised some good and interesting points.

The only fault I could really find with your logic is comparing igcd's day vig shot to chang's lawyer. If he's a scum lawyer then past experience tells us he would only be allowed to lawyer scum. So it wouldn't really be a 2nd scum EK, it would be a form of confirmation camouflage.

But otherwise solid stuff and I'll be curious to see what IGCD says, especially regarding the MI stuff.

(Edit: swypos)

The fact that Chang could move singular votes around at his will does that make that kind of impossible though. What would happen if he just puts them all on town...? Nothing? Even though it's past majority? Breaks the set rules of the game

PunishedBen posted...

What would happen if he just puts them all on town...? Nothing? Even though it's past majority? Breaks the set rules of the game

Yes?

When I was scum lawyer I wasn't allow to pick town. I assume I still could have typed the command and it would have just... Not worked. Wouldn't have looked good for me that's for sure.

I'm just saying you can't equivocate a shot that hit town, versus a lawyer that potentially could not.

But honestly I'm most sure about ctes, and the last could be nearly anyone.