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Kirby321
05/17/24 1:04:38 AM
#401:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
lol the fact that you think that probably makes it the most likely. And if that's how you felt, why did you protect him?

You keep using the word "protect". I thought it was clear that the only way I intended to protect people was by roleblocking their killers lol

But Ben and I compromised on IGCD. He thinks Blade is town. I think Blade is scum. We both agree Chang and Ulti are town. And I didn't want to be the asshole who roleblocked Ctes on the chance that he actually won a double vote bet last night, assuming he's town at least. I already jailed the town Cop to no positive end, after all.

Tbh, my first instinct was to roleblock you. Not because I think you're scum, but because if I died, it'd be clear who I roleblocked and thus could give them a clear for not being my killer. Plus, if Ben was the one who told you guys who I roleblocked, none of y'all would believe him. That's before I even learned that he scans guilty lol

But I felt there were better odds of stopping a kill by jailing IGCD. So I settled for that.

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Kirby321
05/17/24 1:12:34 AM
#402:


Also, Ben, how much longer do you plan on keeping this third-party ruse up?

I'm almost offended that people thought I wouldn't be meticulous enough to know how to use a simple search function. The whole "Bulletproof if they say a specific keyword" stuff is bogus. Ben contradicted himself when he said he wasn't Bulletproof N4 or N6 because I failed to say the keywords "though" and "really" on either of those nights. But the Discord search feature blatantly says otherwise.

Then Ben said this:
PunishedBen posted...
Read my books Kirby

Which, to me, was him signaling to not expose his lie and just keep up the facade. So I decided to play along to see where it went.

But honestly, this is stupid. Nobody believes Ben is actually third-party, right? The lie was incredibly obvious, and I don't think I hid it very well with my complete 180 >_>

And I'm especially shocked that Ben, if town, isn't fully laying into Ulti for the guilty scan. With scum Framer dead, Ulti has to be lying if Ben is town.

So yeah... color me deceived. Either Ben is scum, or Ulti has been scum this entire time and actually has two other living scummates ready to end the game. And given that Ben is repeating the IGCD discussion we had last night instead of investigating Ulti, I'm inclined to believe this really just is a scum Ben pulling out of his bag of tricks that nobody seems to be amazed by.

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Forceful_Dragon
05/17/24 1:12:53 AM
#403:


Kirby321 posted...
You keep using the word "protect". I thought it was clear that the only way I intended to protect people was by roleblocking their killers lol

Regardless of your intent, your role provides protection.

And it wouldn't have bothered me if you jailed me, my role doesn't really do anything anyways. You want to protect me tonight? Knock yourself out.

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Kirby321
05/17/24 1:16:36 AM
#404:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Regardless of your intent, your role provides protection.

And it wouldn't have bothered me if you jailed me, my role doesn't really do anything anyways. You want to protect me tonight? Knock yourself out.

With all due respect, FD, what scum team shoots you this late into the game lol

I mean, this scum team is insane, honestly. Given that you're a logic-driven and a player that generally adopts safe, methodical tactics, I doubt you as scum would agree to any of the kills that transpired except for maybe MZero. You've got lots of town points in your favor, as far as I'm concerned. Jailing you would've been a waste.

Like, I get the feeling Blade or I would've been dead immediately after MZero if you were scum.

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Forceful_Dragon
05/17/24 1:24:57 AM
#405:


Kirby321 posted...
Like, I get the feeling Blade or I would've been dead immediately after MZero if you were scum.

Blade or Death or Red would have been vanished day 1 that's for damn sure, and claimed protection would have fallen ASAP.

I'm legitimately excited for the game to be over so I can read scum chat and all of Ben's neighbor chats.

I honestly wouldn't even be upset to get NKd. It means I won't get mislynched at least and it's been exhausting being in a nearly 3 week long game. What was that Bilbo quote? I feel like not enough butter scraped across too much bread.

The confirmation that I was right about Ben has been exhilarating and helps a but, but I hope we can agree to end the day in 24 hours rather than going the entire 48.

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Forceful_Dragon
05/17/24 1:32:30 AM
#406:


Okay finally back on PC, an update with last night's actions and Ben's updated claim:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f75f2d16.jpg

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And just a friendly reminder that ya'll doubted me:

Forceful_Dragon posted...
And I fucking knew MI was Magnitude, but I thought he might be Bodyguard. There is an important scene in Season 2 during a paintball episode where Magnitude jumps on a paint grenade to save everyone else in the room. The BG flavor practically rights itself. For Shame, Lea.

And Ben as Buddy, the Bulletproof Neighborizer? I press X to doubt on that shit. It's barely more than a jack black cameo, he's in ONE episode, shows NO characteristics that would allow him to not be killed (but he can do a wicked jump kick? It's Jack Black after all) and nothing that would make him neighborizer-y.

My money has him as either Ben Chang (at the height of his Changlorious Bastard ways) or Vice Dean Laybourne of the Air Conditioning School Annex. Both would make incredible 3rd party flavors,

Ben Chang "can't be killed"

Source:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jU4e8DV61I

And Vice Dean Laybourne has a way at getting at people. There is an entire arc where he recruits Troy to join the Air Conditioning repair school despite his unwillingness to participate.

Buddy is a flavor mess and maybe it's just the mother of all flavor traps, but holy shit is it just wrong for that role.


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Forceful_Dragon
05/17/24 1:52:39 AM
#407:


Kirby321 posted...
So yeah... color me deceived. Either Ben is scum, or Ulti has been scum this entire time and actually has two other living scummates ready to end the game.

I think the only conspiracy theory I can come up with that would still explain a Scum ulti would be:

-Scum not only janitored Lopen (and he was Cop), but they actually assimilated his role and gained a nightly cop scan.

-Using that cop scan they actually located another guilty scanning entity in Ben

Because if Ben is to be believed then there can't be 3 scum alive, or if there are, ben is one of them. So it would either be a scum ulti bussing a scum Ben, or a scum ulti who actually located a guilty scanning Ben. Otherwise, as you said, Ben would have put up a fight.

But overall Town ulti seems much more reasonable than it did yesterday.

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ctesjbuvf
05/17/24 2:40:50 AM
#408:


I'm not sure what would piss me off more, Blade being that arrogant and douchy as town or faking it as scum. Both are trash tier plays at least.

You don't come in ignoring a guilty scan on a player that himself confirmed to scan guilty and being not town and then talk about towns being bad ever.

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Enchantress
05/17/24 2:49:43 AM
#409:


Votals
[1] Ben - Ulti, (FD)
[1] Ctes - Blade

With eight alive it takes five to lynch. Days ends at 6 PM EST, on Saturday, May 18th.

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IfGodCouldDie
05/17/24 6:11:30 AM
#410:


PunishedBen posted...
So what I want to ask IGCD is why vote MI yesterday?

One final point regarding something that's bothered me about IGCD all game. He has just been so damn agreeable. No one has ever questioned anything he's said or refuted any point he has made. He has never had to refute one of us. When you dont want to lynch IGCD, he is scum.
I literally answered this when posted, you even put the quote there, MI was not the force I am used to seeing play. I believed his was scum.

For someone that is "town siding" you sure are throwing a ton of shade on the player that was literally saved on a previous night. Trying to say I no killed is asinine, what if me or my scum mate had been jailed or literally any other town was saved by the doctor, we would be giving up a free mislynch that our team would need. It literally makes no sense. And trying to claim me being agreeable makes me scum is ridiculous.

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IfGodCouldDie
05/17/24 6:13:50 AM
#411:


Kirby321 posted...
You keep using the word "protect". I thought it was clear that the only way I intended to protect people was by roleblocking their killers lol

But Ben and I compromised on IGCD. He thinks Blade is town. I think Blade is scum. We both agree Chang and Ulti are town. And I didn't want to be the asshole who roleblocked Ctes on the chance that he actually won a double vote bet last night, assuming he's town at least. I already jailed the town Cop to no positive end, after all.

Tbh, my first instinct was to roleblock you. Not because I think you're scum, but because if I died, it'd be clear who I roleblocked and thus could give them a clear for not being my killer. Plus, if Ben was the one who told you guys who I roleblocked, none of y'all would believe him. That's before I even learned that he scans guilty lol

But I felt there were better odds of stopping a kill by jailing IGCD. So I settled for that.
And you did, good job.

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IfGodCouldDie
05/17/24 6:17:30 AM
#412:


##Vote: Ben

Obviously trying to throw shade because he is bitter about getting scanned guilty

##Unvote

not sure if we are ready to move on or not.

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ctesjbuvf
05/17/24 7:43:12 AM
#414:


There is no hammer at 4, we are 8 left, scum would literally lose by doing that.

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ctesjbuvf
05/17/24 7:44:30 AM
#415:


I say we end day after about 24 hours, I doubt we could get day up faster than that anyway.

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ctesjbuvf
05/17/24 7:45:32 AM
#416:


Interestingly Ben spent a a little bit of time asking me I was 3rd party when he neighbored me.

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ctesjbuvf
05/17/24 7:47:31 AM
#417:


If Ben is simply scum I would guess there is only one left after him based on that, but it's not a hard read.

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Kirby321
05/17/24 8:02:23 AM
#418:


ctesjbuvf posted...
If Ben is simply scum I would guess there is only one left after him based on that, but it's not a hard read.

Ben was pretty adamant that Blade was town without much of a solid reason, so if I had to pick a scumbuddy for him, you know who I'd say lol

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ctesjbuvf
05/17/24 8:04:46 AM
#419:


If it's only those two then they no killed twice!

Based on play I would go Blade but yeah.

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ctesjbuvf
05/17/24 8:19:03 AM
#420:


Blade has ended every day voting town except voting Wallz day 1. Day 2 doesn't count because of Chang.

That's four times. Even if you guys don't know my flip yet, the other three are confirmed by their death. He also defended Knightz day 1 and now calls him worst scum ever. The whining literally has nothing to justify it or back it up, it's just ridiculous and a complete lack of ability to look at oneself.

He may do that as town what do I know, it just provoked me.

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ctesjbuvf
05/17/24 8:26:54 AM
#421:


I think going forward after lynching Ben today, it's important to look back with a new scum flip. If you try to go by poe, make sure what you have left in it fits.

Ulti's analysis today falls apart for example. First and foremost his math is wrong though alone doesn't break it. But look at what he is saying. I must be masquerading as Lopen he said and insisted. That doesn't make sense because the vote loss was confirmed on four days, so some of it should be true. On top of that I am also scanend innocent aside from that. While these things don't confirm me town, there is a solid hole in the theory he is ignoring, but he believes it has to be me and chang and isn't really considering if that makes sense or not. If this happens with your poe, reevaluate, you must have overlooked something getting there, so don't just brute force something that doesn't make sense. MI was wrong, but his theory was complete.

Or maybe a scan can help, that's easier.

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PunishedBen
05/17/24 8:35:05 AM
#422:


Kirby321 posted...
Also, Ben, how much longer do you plan on keeping this third-party ruse up?

I'm almost offended that people thought I wouldn't be meticulous enough to know how to use a simple search function. The whole "Bulletproof if they say a specific keyword" stuff is bogus. Ben contradicted himself when he said he wasn't Bulletproof N4 or N6 because I failed to say the keywords "though" and "really" on either of those nights. But the Discord search feature blatantly says otherwise.

Then Ben said this:

Which, to me, was him signaling to not expose his lie and just keep up the facade. So I decided to play along to see where it went.

But honestly, this is stupid. Nobody believes Ben is actually third-party, right? The lie was incredibly obvious, and I don't think I hid it very well with my complete 180 >_>

And I'm especially shocked that Ben, if town, isn't fully laying into Ulti for the guilty scan. With scum Framer dead, Ulti has to be lying if Ben is town.

So yeah... color me deceived. Either Ben is scum, or Ulti has been scum this entire time and actually has two other living scummates ready to end the game. And given that Ben is repeating the IGCD discussion we had last night instead of investigating Ulti, I'm inclined to believe this really just is a scum Ben pulling out of his bag of tricks that nobody seems to be amazed by.
Wut. You have to say the word I pick 3 times. Of course we all use the search feature, that's how I pivoted to "really", after seeing you use it many times the previous night.

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ctesjbuvf
05/17/24 8:36:59 AM
#423:


Going through the players. This is where I would start tomorrow, with the possibility of having another flip of course.

Ben is confirmed scum

Blade and IGCD are confirmed town unless you believe scum would deliberately no kill or shoot at Death N5. If you really wanna believe this: ig IGCD is scum, Blade must be too, or they have no reason to no kill night 5. It is protection you want to look good by doing that. Blade could do the gambit without IGCd still but keep in mind ge has an innocent scan, so he is godfather if scum.

Chang can be scum if you believe that his power can possibly be scum.

Kirby can be scum if scum decided to bus might 2 and has another roleblocker or simply a backup. At this point this isn't the biggest stretch. Kirby has been very insistent on Ben being town and being able to read him despite not that great a recent history with it. Perhaps scum felt they needed a big gambit day 2 to win.

FD can be scum if scum somehow has a pineapple vendor that apparently fits really well with the flavor.

Ulti can be scum if he goes back in time to before he gets the pm that says he is town and gets the hosts to reroll.

With another scum flip today, maybe try to reread using Ben, but he is a tricky one, keep that in mind. Might also just be smart to look and Knightz and Wallz again with another piece of the puzzle at hand.

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ctesjbuvf
05/17/24 8:40:34 AM
#424:


If Ben flips 3rd party as he said, well, you can't use him to find the rest. In that case you still need to find two, so consider who can be paired. I would say it has to be Chang/Kirby or IGCD/Blade or FD+anyone that isn't IGCD really. I doubt it is FD though just based on how he has been.

If anyone is pure godfather, it can really only be Blade. Everyone else there has powers that are confirmed to exist to some degree. They would have to be godfather something. Blade could use Lopens role and no kill.

If Ulti gets a guilty scan you just kill them and can wait another day considering the partner.

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ctesjbuvf
05/17/24 8:41:58 AM
#425:


I really hope you will consider all these thoughts overnight and going into tomorrow.

We lynch Ben around the 24 hour mark.

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PunishedBen
05/17/24 8:42:59 AM
#426:


Kirby321 posted...
Ben was pretty adamant that Blade was town without much of a solid reason, so if I had to pick a scumbuddy for him, you know who I'd say lol
Oh come on, you know the reasons. Main one is that it looked like Wallz was using Sbell as a shield against Blade, and like they were unpaired.

However, with Blade's "reactions" here to the no kill last night, I'm pretty on board with the idea Blade is IGCD's scum mate

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IfGodCouldDie
05/17/24 8:49:11 AM
#427:


PunishedBen posted...
Oh come on, you know the reasons. Main one is that it looked like Wallz was using Sbell as a shield against Blade, and like they were unpaired.

However, with Blade's "reactions" here to the no kill last night, I'm pretty on board with the idea Blade is IGCD's scum mate
Love the shade Ben, I see you haven't addressed the fact that I was literally saved one night, possibly two.

##Vote: Ben

continuing to have scum muddy the waters isn't productive

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PunishedBen
05/17/24 8:49:53 AM
#428:


ctesjbuvf posted...


Ulti can be scum if he goes back in time to before he gets the pm that says he is town and gets the hosts to reroll.



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ctesjbuvf
05/17/24 9:06:23 AM
#429:


ctesjbuvf posted...
Kirby can be scum if scum decided to bus might 2 and has another roleblocker or simply a backup. At this point this isn't the biggest stretch. Kirby has been very insistent on Ben being town and being able to read him despite not that great a recent history with it. Perhaps scum felt they needed a big gambit day 2 to win.

I want to add some thoughts to this. It would also mean they n1 either no killed to pull off the gamble or shot at MI. The latter in itself would not be that unlikely at the time but that would make how Kirby destroyed Wallz a bit less likely to be planned ahead. Also if it's Kirby, he probably blocks Blade earlier to get rid of Ulti, so I think it's quite unlikely to be him. It's complicated enough that one of the other answers seem simpler.

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ctesjbuvf
05/17/24 9:13:35 AM
#430:


Just to clarify on the confidence on Ulti.

The redirect on me and red is plenty, you would have to believe FD deliberately lied about where he sent it and it doesn't seem that way at all. Even that aside, with this Ben flip, you would have to believe some insane conspiracies to make it fit. This includes Lopen being exactly cop, Ulti throwing Ben under the bus this late instead of innocent scanning someone, or if Ben is 3rd party Ulti having a way to gues that Ben could scan scum. All the things added together, I stand by my initial statement of how he can be scum lol.

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Kirby321
05/17/24 9:28:48 AM
#432:


PunishedBen posted...
And I also get to pick a word each night that has to be 6 or more letters long and not a mafia term. If they say it, it means I become bulletproof and scan innocent. That is the reason I had my neighbors post poems nights 1-3, to make sure they said the word I needed them to enough times.

Well, you conveniently left out that they needed to say it three times.

Hm... I guess you really are third-party. I don't think I trust you to not turn on town if things go south, though. You can die.

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PunishedBen
05/17/24 9:41:29 AM
#433:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
I literally answered this when posted, you even put the quote there, MI was not the force I am used to seeing play. I believed his was scum.

For someone that is "town siding" you sure are throwing a ton of shade on the player that was literally saved on a previous night. Trying to say I no killed is asinine, what if me or my scum mate had been jailed or literally any other town was saved by the doctor, we would be giving up a free mislynch that our team would need. It literally makes no sense. And trying to claim me being agreeable makes me scum is ridiculous.
Your reasoning bothered me because there was no trepidation about being THE deciding vote for MI over me or Ctes. Why so sure it was him when your most recent comments that day about anyone being scum were towards Ctes?
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Kirby321
05/17/24 9:47:08 AM
#434:


ctesjbuvf posted...
Kirby has been very insistent on Ben being town and being able to read him despite not that great a recent history with it.

I didn't take offense to your suspicions until this post >:(

I'll have you know I town read Ben last game easily, and in this game, I was especially adamant that Ben wasn't on the mafia team at the very least. I exposed his whole web of lies on Day 3 because I had a feeling he was third-party, but I ultimately decided that was a stretch and settled for him being town. Him being third-party let him blend in with his normal town tells, which like... give me a break here lol

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ctesjbuvf
05/17/24 9:50:29 AM
#435:


Break given. It was just presented as being much more of a given you could do it that I thought was reasonable lol.

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Enchantress
05/17/24 9:54:31 AM
#436:


Votals
[2] Ben - Ulti, (FD), (IGCD), IGCD
[1] Ctes - Blade

With eight alive it takes five to lynch. Days ends at 6 PM EST, on Saturday, May 18th.

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IfGodCouldDie
05/17/24 9:56:19 AM
#437:


PunishedBen posted...
Your reasoning bothered me because there was no trepidation about being THE deciding vote for MI over me or Ctes. Why so sure it was him when your most recent comments that day about anyone being scum were towards Ctes?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/21e344bf.png
You're literally trying to twist a situation where everyone had town and scum equity, I even had a write up on it earlier. And EoD comes at a time when I am on the highway driving

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IfGodCouldDie
05/17/24 10:00:10 AM
#438:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
You're literally trying to twist a situation where everyone had town and scum equity, I even had a write up on it earlier. And EoD comes at a time when I am on the highway driving
Hell I almost didn't even vote him out of game reasons, I like MI. I even got myself kicked out of the funnest DND game I ever played because I wanted him to play with us

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PunishedBen
05/17/24 10:04:21 AM
#439:


Kirby321 posted...
Well, you conveniently left out that they needed to say it three times.

Hm... I guess you really are third-party. I don't think I trust you to not turn on town if things go south, though. You can die.
Oh whoops, I thought i said it. But you're right i somehow missed the word

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IfGodCouldDie
05/17/24 10:04:58 AM
#440:


And if you're going to claim that me voting MI makes me scum, who was I protecting

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PunishedBen
05/17/24 10:11:06 AM
#441:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
You're literally trying to twist a situation where everyone had town and scum equity, I even had a write up on it earlier. And EoD comes at a time when I am on the highway driving
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c60a2d69.png
Your writeup didnt even have MI in it

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PunishedBen
05/17/24 10:15:14 AM
#442:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
And if you're going to claim that me voting MI makes me scum, who was I protecting
I dont know why you picked him over me. The thing I'm struggling with is why as TOWN you would pick him over me.

Its very possible you were protecting Ctes, as MI was trying to get me to vote Ctes, and it would have happened if you did not come in to vote. Me and MI would have voted together. The only way to protect Ctes was to vote MI there.

So Ctes and IGCD scum? That's the easy answer unless there's something even more nefarious I dont know

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IfGodCouldDie
05/17/24 10:16:57 AM
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PunishedBen posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c60a2d69.png
Your writeup didnt even have MI in it
I thought I had included him. I meant to.

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ctesjbuvf
05/17/24 10:18:14 AM
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IGCD did clarify that when I asked him why MI was not even in top 4, but it was in a topic we had moved on from, so I initially missed it.

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PunishedBen
05/17/24 10:19:44 AM
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Well since I have to play to win, I suppose i should leave my vote on Ctes on the .0000001% chance Ctes and Blade are both town and there are still 3 scum remaining that aren't either of them and want to join me to win. Lol

##Vote: Ctes

No offense town. Dont take this as a message that I dont believe IGCD is scum anymore. That's still my vision.

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IfGodCouldDie
05/17/24 10:22:37 AM
#446:


PunishedBen posted...
I dont know why you picked him over me. The thing I'm struggling with is why as TOWN you would pick him over me.

Its very possible you were protecting Ctes, as MI was trying to get me to vote Ctes, and it would have happened if you did not come in to vote. Me and MI would have voted together. The only way to protect Ctes was to vote MI there.

So Ctes and IGCD scum? That's the easy answer unless there's something even more nefarious I dont know
Ok so your argument boils down to scum me choosing the player that was one of the people unequivocally calling me town confirmed instead of someone that wasn't in a choice that ultimately wouldn't matter numbers wise

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PunishedBen
05/17/24 10:23:34 AM
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I was calling you town confirmed though until last night when I engaged Benopen mode. You had no way of knowing

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ctesjbuvf
05/17/24 10:24:53 AM
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That reminds me I kinda want to have a vote down today when I finally can.

##vote: Ben

That's still -2 so people can still get thoughts down. I have said what I wanted to.

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IfGodCouldDie
05/17/24 10:25:09 AM
#449:


PunishedBen posted...
I was calling you town confirmed though until last night when I engaged Benopen mode. You had no way of knowing
You actually had some posts where that isn't true

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IfGodCouldDie
05/17/24 10:27:41 AM
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IfGodCouldDie posted...
You actually had some posts where that isn't true
And if I was scum I would have been able to lynch you without a second thought or real justification for it

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