Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 17 - A 1 Hour Video Lecture by Guest Professor Turbopuns

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PunishedBen posted...

Yeah, this is why I prefer MI now. I can't imagine all of the scum claimed semi confirmable power. Give Ctes another chance to win the double vote.

Somehow in the process of killing every other vanilla, most people town cleared MI, I am not entirely sure why.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Red: MZero said he was town as one of the last things. This means he didn't taunt me due to redirect.
Ctes: Red was town vanilla so he didn't taunt me which would have hit red.
Death: Wasn't taunted because confirmed vanilla.
Ben: MZero was very sure he was town the day before as well.
Blade: Confirmed protection by last night and MZero died.
FD: Red received the heart.
Kirby: Jailkept Ulti, although I see the priority argument, so you can remove him from here if you want.
Ulti: Jailkept thus couldn't commit the kill.

I still think this is worth pursuing, also if you lynch me. I can't see MZero being shot directly at that point of the game. You have IGCD, Chang, MI left. Let us work from there. If you disagree with any of the reasons, walk me through it.

So it's a legit terrible idea, but the only way we could 100% guarantee ctes has another shot to prove himself would be to no lynch today. Assuming another kill isn't prevented at night that gives us 8 tomorrow and either 9 votes or 7 votes depending on ctes, but either way enough to outvote a potential 3 scum.

We could also simply lynch scum, but I've felt pretty good about all the recent lynch targets and they have all flipped town so I don't have a lot of confidence in that. Anyways I couldn't convince town to NL when it was objectively the correct play, so fat chance it happens when it's clearly a bad idea.

I think MZero was shot directly so scum Ulti has an excuse for being alive longer!

MI was the first one to say that there's too many vanillas after Peaf and Red claimed. At the time I town read him for that because the conviction was strong. But he must have just been trying to get ahead of it. Like, for MI to be scum he has to be pretty damn good at it. But I'm accepting of that now because everyone else has much more going for them being town

Oh, I still think six vanilla is absurd to be fair, but I have the benefit of knowing it's true.

TotallyNotMI posted...

I think MZero was shot directly so scum Ulti has an excuse for being alive longer!

I see the point but red getting the heart intended for me I can only make sense of if Ulti is town.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Youre the third party, arent you

No. If anyone is third party I still think it has to be Ctes. Would explain why his role is so weird and why his flavor doesn't match at all. No scum team to help him with show knowledge

ctesjbuvf posted...

I see the point but red getting the heart intended for me I can only make sense of if Ulti is town.

One of the fears I have with Ulti is the post he put just after this one. He's so focused on 3P I feel like he's scum telling us that there does exist a 3P.

ctesjbuvf posted...

You have IGCD, Chang, MI left.

I was making a long post pointing out the logic, but I think it would be quicker to say that only Me, You and Ulti can be confirmed to have not killed MZero via Taunt. I'm pretty sure the logic exists, however unlikely it would have to be, for everyone else.

My canister reaching Red.
Ulti being in jail.
You being under the effect of some kind of bus/redirection (which is hard to say how it would interact) are the only certainties that would have impacted MZero's death if it was taunt related. Everything else is circumstantial.

Everything else is circumstantial yeah but I still think they are all quite likely.

TotallyNotMI posted...

One of the fears I have with Ulti is the post he put just after this one. He's so focused on 3P I feel like he's scum telling us that there does exist a 3P.

Yeah, I'm probably bad at grasping him because I have burned my hands on going hard after town Ulti before for similar reasons to this game.

I really liked the case I built day 3 but the redirection just... doesn't make sense.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I still think they are all quite likely.

Wouldn't this mean you consider Ben, Blade, Chang, IGCD, Kirby and MI to all be equally likely of being taunted by Mzero?

I think the most likely would be MI personally, but we can't know for sure if MZero's death was even taunt related.

PunishedBen posted...

Yeah, this is why I prefer MI now. I can't imagine all of the scum claimed semi confirmable power. Give Ctes another chance to win the double vote.

Fine. But if he guesses wrong again tonight, then I don't see a reason to protect him any further.

##Unvote

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Wouldn't this mean you consider Ben, Blade, Chang, IGCD, Kirby and MI to all be equally likely of being taunted by Mzero?

I think the most likely would be MI personally, but we can't know for sure if MZero's death was even taunt related.

I meant the reasonings I gave were quite likely!

And yeah, I agree.

Kirby321 posted...

Fine. But if he guesses wrong again tonight, then I don't see a reason to protect him any further.

...why did you protect me earlier today? I don't get you man.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Yeah, I'm probably bad at grasping him because I have burned my hands on going hard after town Ulti before for similar reasons to this game.

I really liked the case I built day 3 but the redirection just... doesn't make sense.

I've yet to be wrong about town Ulti though!

Great, why do I feel like I'm in a scum team of Ulti/Ctes/Ben strongarming the lynch now, even though I'm not lol

I feel like we're still just circling around the MI lynch and I'm not sure how it makes me feel. Logically all the arguments are there for MI to be scum, but that's always going to be the case for the final claimed nilla after all the other vanilla flip town. I'm trying to reconcile the defeatist attitude from earlier and how that contrasts with this game. Not only were scum lynched back to back on day 1 and 2, but there was a kill prevented night 1 and both of the roles were incredibly powerful. That is definitely a strong justification for anyone to feel a bit demoralized. But SINCE then we've had 3 mislynches, a bunch of night actions that have felt sub optimal and a series of night kills that, to put it mildly, are baffling.

So does a scum STILL feel demoralized when you consider how well things have been going for them since day 2 ended? I guess it's possible, especially if you felt like you've just been going through the motions but never realistically had a chance to win?

it's not enough to make me actively oppose MI's lynch, but it's enough to give me pause. I would still prefer Ben in any case.

Judge me from my play not my role, jeez.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Ben does my perfect godfather theory make sense?

That Blade is scum godfather right? It would require a couple things that I find impossible to accept. Lopen would have had to have been doctor (because one jailkeeper is not enough protecc), scum would have had to no kill last night willingly, Blade would have to have an ability that he knew was not role blocked, in addition to Godfather, because of how he reacted to Corrik's claim. The whole reaction to that in general tracks very well with Town Doctor

UltimaterializerX posted...

He knew I was roleblocked before I said it, then publicly said he feared me claiming I was roleblocked via targeting him. Town does not behave that way.

I got curious and checked the start of that day. I don't really see anything that hints towards him knowing, which also only makes sense of he is scum with Kirby. He does mention you attempted to target him before you do which is weird but... how would he know?

He did however initially say "good job MZero" first post, so I want to ask, at what point did you chance your opinion about him likely being shot directly, MI?

Ulti trying to float the idea of lynching IGCD and I is funny.

PunishedBen posted...

That Blade is scum godfather right? It would require a couple things that I find impossible to accept. Lopen would have had to have been doctor (because one jailkeeper is not enough protecc), scum would have had to no kill last night willingly, Blade would have to have an ability that he knew was not role blocked, in addition to Godfather, because of how he reacted to Corrik's claim. The whole reaction to that in general tracks very well with Town Doctor

That bold part doesn't necessarily have to be true.

We know that I'm the only town role that can block, and I didn't block Blade at all this game. Scum Blade knows that scum Wallz was 100% roleblocked, and Blade knew that he himself wasn't blocked.

That last part is important. Blade knew he wasn't roleblocked, which obviously meant that Corrik was lying. So Blade could very easily refute Corrik's claim by knowing that he was never a roleblock target.

If we're being honest, Blade saying he has a role that can't be roleblocked without being told doesn't fit the description of Doctor. Blade himself said he was trying to bait scum into thinking he was claiming an investigative role... which is convenient, to say the least.

Really, all that's given from Blade's exchange with Corrik is that Blade has a power role of some kind. And that's not too much of a stretch given the other scum roles that have flipped so far.

Also... who else has incentive to frame or discredit Ulti? That would track with the Red and Ctes swap, if the goal was to make Ulti look bad.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Yeah, I'm probably bad at grasping him because I have burned my hands on going hard after town Ulti before for similar reasons to this game.

I really liked the case I built day 3 but the redirection just... doesn't make sense.

I can think of one reason that doesn't involve working around cop. That would be if scum wanting to figure out something about my vote loss. I think it would be weird to use what seems like a limited ability on it but it's the only other thing I can think of. And red would be a very random target imo.

I think the bolded part holds. You are basically always told if your action was successful or not.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I got curious and checked the start of that day. I don't really see anything that hints towards him knowing, which also only makes sense of he is scum with Kirby. He does mention you attempted to target him before you do which is weird but... how would he know?

He did however initially say "good job MZero" first post, so I want to ask, at what point did you chance your opinion about him likely being shot directly, MI?

For the first point, I don't believe he's cop so when he came in saying 'i don't have a guilty scan but I still think i do' I just felt certain he was going to try to implicate me and when i flipped as town just shrug it off afterwards. I thought it was all faked to be a guilty scan without really claiming a guilty scan to off me without looking bad afterwards.

However when I said 'good job MZero' it was implied that he had a guilty scan so I was giving him the benefit of the doubt being real there, and in that instance I believed MZero did taunt. Then when it became a 'guilty scan that wasn't a guilty scan' well, my mind went other places.

TotallyNotMI posted...

However when I said 'good job MZero' it was implied that he had a guilty scan so I was giving him the benefit of the doubt being real there, and in that instance I believed MZero did taunt. Then when it became a 'guilty scan that wasn't a guilty scan' well, my mind went other places.

I just meant at what point you started thinking he was shot directly, because you seemed pretty confident in that today.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I just meant at what point you started thinking he was shot directly, because you seemed pretty confident in that today.

I feel like I answered that.

I thought Ulti was fake claiming cop and would be avoiding NKs on protection to justify staying alive.
MZero dies.
Ulti says 'I have a guilty scan!'
I think 'oh cool, I must have been wrong and Ulti really is town cop and MZero taunted the kill'
Ulti says 'well, it's not really a guilty scan but it basically is a guilty scan'
I go 'ugh nope I don't trust him again. Ulti must be fake claiming cop and NKs are avoiding protection to justify why he's still alive'

Ah, I get you now.

I think it's 2-2-2 between me/ctes/Ben right now, for the record as we're nearing EOD!

I kind of can't imagine thinking me/ctes are on a team together rn

Votals
[2] MI - (Kirby), Ben, (Ulti), Ulti
[2] Ctes - Blade, MI, (Ulti), (Ulti), (Kirby)
[2] Ben - (Ulti), FD, Chang
[0] Ulti - (Blade)
[0] Chang - (Ulti)
[0] FD - (Ulti)

With nine alive it takes five to lynch. Day ends Wednesday, May 15th at 6 PM EST

ctesjbuvf posted...

I think the bolded part holds. You are basically always told if your action was successful or not.

I agree. I think I got lost in what I was trying to convey there.

Ben was insinuating that scum Blade having a blockable power role on top of Godfather is a point in favor of town Blade. But I don't think it's that far of a stretch to think a Godfather in this game is also locked and loaded with power.

In other words, I disagree with the point Ben was trying to make, even if I agree with the literal text he used to support it.

TotallyNotMI posted...

I kind of can't imagine thinking me/ctes are on a team together rn

Eh, most interactions can easily be forgotten after a day if they don't fit some obscure but fun idea.

Hey Ben, I will be voting you to save myself if needed, so if you had any interest in voting ctes so I don't have to do that...

Just vote Ben because he is probably scum

And man, just to throw a kind of petty argument out there and let out some frustration

I would never ever return to throw my vote away on purpose like some of you have suggested. Like if that was act and we already worked out of it, no way back, it sucks so much not having the vote.

With your confidence MI, why are you actually on me ahead of Ulti? Because his claimed vote is better?

As far as I have understood your theory about me being scum depends on Ulti being scum.

But... didn't you throw your vote away by betting it?

TotallyNotMI posted...

I kind of can't imagine thinking me/ctes are on a team together rn

How so? If the two of you are scum it would be a great way to set up Ulti as the lynch tomorrow.

ctesjbuvf posted...

With your confidence MI, why are you actually on me ahead of Ulti? Because his claimed vote is better?

As far as I have understood your theory about me being scum depends on Ulti being scum.

That should say role and not vote

PunishedBen posted...

How so? If the two of you are scum it would be a great way to set up Ulti as the lynch tomorrow.

Uh... I'm not sure what you mean by this. Care to clarify?

Kirby321 posted...

Uh... I'm not sure what you mean by this. Care to clarify?

Blade has been saying Ulti and Ctes are a scum team and MI has latched onto that today

I mean if ctes flips scum <something that doesn't remove his own vote>, then yes, Ulti is responsible for removing said vote.