Current Events > UN Slashes Number of Women and Children Killed in Gaza by 50%

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Godbe-Bryant
05/13/24 4:11:41 PM
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https://vinnews.com/2024/05/12/un-slashes-number-of-women-and-children-killed-in-gaza-by-50/

The report showed more than 14,500 child deaths on May 6 but then changed it to 7,797 on May 8. It also revised its figure for women fatalities from more than 9,500 deaths to 4,959 deaths.


The number is still insanely high but thank goodness it isn't what the the Gaza health authority claims. Hopefully a truce comes soon

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ClayGuida
05/13/24 4:12:51 PM
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ai123
05/13/24 4:16:23 PM
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The reason is that a large number of those murdered in Gaza were very difficult to identify due to the condition of the bodies.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-says-gaza-death-toll-still-over-35000-not-all-bodies-identified-2024-05-13/

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Bandit_Keith
05/13/24 4:16:34 PM
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And literally linking to vinnews.

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Godbe-Bryant
05/13/24 4:18:49 PM
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ai123 posted...
The reason is that a large number of those murdered in Gaza were very difficult to identify due to the condition of the bodies.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-says-gaza-death-toll-still-over-35000-not-all-bodies-identified-2024-05-13/

"There's about another 10,000 plus bodies who still have to be fully identified, and so then the details of those - which of those are children, which of those are women - that will be re-established once the full identification process is complete," Haq told reporters in New York

Holy shit never mind then

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Ryangrad
05/13/24 4:19:41 PM
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Does Israel think pressuring the UN to cut the number actually make any difference? We still see what we see, and that number is still absurdly high. It's also BS considering officially they can only argue about 10,000 of the 34,000 killed as having "incomplete" data on those people. And in those cases, it's because of how much IDF brutalized them and they can't verify the remains. Couple that with you displacing MILLIONS and you can see how IDing might be a bit tricky.

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Doe
05/13/24 4:21:21 PM
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Posted about this in another thread. They changed the metric from estimated to confirmed identity for reporting demographics of the killed, if you do the math the estimated 14k and 9k numbers still hold

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80757425/980375662

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Godbe-Bryant
05/13/24 4:21:45 PM
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Yeah looks like it.

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Trumble
05/13/24 4:22:58 PM
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Ryangrad posted...
Does Israel think pressuring the UN to cut the number actually make any difference? We still see what we see, and that number is still absurdly high. It's also BS considering officially they can only argue about 10,000 of the 34,000 killed as having "incomplete" data on those people.
As you can see, it's giving Israel shills ammo, and it's likely helping persuade at least a few undecided people who don't pay close attention too. Which is why it's very important to call out.

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orcus_snake
05/13/24 4:40:57 PM
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Ohh so the number "slashed" is just uncomfired bodies due to how maimed they are?

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ai123
05/13/24 4:47:14 PM
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orcus_snake posted...
Ohh so the number "slashed" is just uncomfired bodies due to how maimed they are?
The 8,000 women and children are just those whose corpses have been fully identified. The total number of dead has not changed.

Using this figure to try and play down the disgusting actions of the Israeli military is repulsive dishonest propaganda.


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kingdrake2
05/13/24 4:49:47 PM
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ai123 posted...
Using this figure to try and play down the disgusting actions of the Israeli military is repulsive dishonest propaganda.

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Fony
05/13/24 4:57:29 PM
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how many Hamas fighters?

As reported by JNS: The Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health cant provide names of more than 10,000 of the 34,000 it says have died during the war with Israel, the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies reports. While the Health Ministry conceded earlier this month that it has incomplete data for nearly one-third of the deceased, this is the first admission that it lacks an essential data point necessary to establish these deaths have even taken place, the Washington-based think tank noted on May 2.

On April 24, the ministry released a graphic to mark the 200th day of the war that started when Hamas invaded Israel on Oct. 7, repeating its claim that the hostilities had claimed more than 34,000 Gazan lives. However, it added that only 24,000 of the dead are martyrs whose idintities [sic] are recognized.

As of April 21, 10,152 of the ministrys fatality records had incomplete data. An explanatory note in the April 1 digest says incomplete records lack one or more of five basic data points: ID number, full name, sex, date of birth, or date of death, FDD reported. While it was unclear which of those data points was missing, it is now clear the ministry does not have names for these individuals, FDD said.

In January, Washington Institute for Near East Policy released a report that showed major discrepancies in the Hamas fatality reports. They concluded such discrepancies were most likely caused by manipulation. Professor Abraham Wyner also told Tablet Magazine that the rate of deaths was very unnatural and climbed far too regularly.
He claimed that in war, deaths should be irregular as the intensity of war is irregular, but that the death numbers climbed by 270 plus/minus 15%, which he says is statistically impossible.

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Trumble
05/13/24 5:01:48 PM
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Fony posted...
and zero Hamas fighters?
No specific figure available. It wouldn't really matter at this point if 100% of the men and 50% of the women were Hamas tho, the remaining civilian casualty figures and deliberate targeting of aid and medical facilities is already enough to utterly condemn Israel over.

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DarthAragorn
05/13/24 5:02:47 PM
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Fony posted...
how many Hamas fighters?
According to Israel, all of them

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Fony
05/13/24 5:03:08 PM
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Trumble posted...
No specific figure available. It wouldn't really matter at this point if 100% of the men and 50% of the women were Hamas tho, the remaining civilian casualty figures and deliberate targeting of aid and medical facilities is already enough to utterly condemn Israel over.

Indeed those are war crimes.

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emblem-man
05/13/24 5:04:45 PM
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Trumble posted...
No specific figure available. It wouldn't really matter at this point if 100% of the men and 50% of the women were Hamas tho, the remaining civilian casualty figures and deliberate targeting of aid and medical facilities is already enough to utterly condemn Israel over.

Ehh, I don't think that's true. If it really was 100% of men and 50% of women, that'd mean they are being very accurate for an urban environment. It would definitely drastically reduce claims of ethnic cleansing or genocide .

But obviously that isn't the case, and most likely won't be the case

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Sir_Will
05/13/24 5:38:03 PM
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emblem-man posted...
Ehh, I don't think that's true. If it really was 100% of men and 50% of women, that'd mean they are being very accurate for an urban environment. It would definitely drastically reduce claims of ethnic cleansing or genocide .
Gaza is in famine. Even without the bombs people are starving to death, dying of treatable things, dehydration.... And Israel is blocking aid. Their war crimes are innumerable.

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Hospy
05/13/24 5:55:22 PM
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Oh boy, time to cancel the protests everybody, they only killed 8000 kids, that makes everything okay now.
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Zikten
05/13/24 6:10:18 PM
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I wish we lived in a world were even 1 innocent Gazan killed, would spark protest, sanctions and condemnation worldwide against Israel
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