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AceMos 05/10/24 2:38:15 PM #50: |
MEGAsoldier posted...
They are a team that helps with narratives, making plots cohesive, and generally making the characters likable. They failed at every single one of those. So either they were brought in and paid to do absolutely nothing, making them a shitty useless company. Or they were brought in and what we saw in the finished game were the fruits of their labor, also making them a shitty useless company. There is no way to slice it where they arent a shitty useless company.they wrote SOME of the dialogue but they did not write the actual plot --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.*does her janpuu dance* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MEGAsoldier 05/10/24 2:40:16 PM #51: |
AceMos posted... they wrote SOME of the dialogue Show me where you think the good dialogue in this game is ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prestoff 05/10/24 2:41:32 PM #52: |
MEGAsoldier posted...
Sweet baby helped in making this game shitty, so I disagree. So you have no idea what you're talking about. Phanir posted... Real shame it was sold at a premium price with cosmetic DLC and battle passes as a live service title. I don't regret not buying it despite the beta being enjoyable. Really did like it, though. First 5 hours of the game is really fun. But then you realize from that point on you're doing the same thing over and over and over and over....again until you realize the end game material does nothing to change up the monotonous grind other than to better gear that results in number/damage manipulations and nothing else. Hell, this game thinks a new characters shouldn't be something to use but rather earn as part of the end game grind. In order to get the privilege to play as Joker, in the new DLC, you have to grind 4-7 hours of doing the same thing over again to play as him...or you can pay $10's to play as him instantly. Rocksteady basically lost all the good will from even it's small fanbase that were hopeful Rocksteady could pull through because their Arkham games were so good. BTW I never paid for the game myself. My friend, who is a reviewer, got early review copies and gave me one to play with him to help with the review. He gave it a 6/10, but would've definitely gave it much lower if he played by himself and if he realize how shit the Joker DLC was. --- DI MOLTO! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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absolutebuffoon 05/10/24 2:41:47 PM #53: |
I'm not an expert in this controversy but don't the conservatives think that sweet baby ruins things by changing games to be "woke" as they call it? This is the first time I've seen them accused of being the entire writing staff.
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AceMos 05/10/24 2:42:22 PM #54: |
the real problem with the game is that its live service
the dialogue is not the problem the story is only a problem because its set in the arkhamverse --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.*does her janpuu dance* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IceCreamOnStero 05/10/24 2:46:18 PM #55: |
I don't know how they were disappointed or surprised given just about every every piece of coverage around it was a complete mess that literally no one liked or was looking forward to.
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Phanir 05/10/24 2:49:05 PM #56: |
Prestoff posted...
First 5 hours of the game is really fun. But then you realize from that point on you're doing the same thing over and over and over and over....again until you realize the end game material does nothing to change up the monotonous grind other than to better gear that results in number/damage manipulations and nothing else.Yeah, looks like I dodged a bullet. Or nuke. Friend and I wanted to pick it up at a steep discount still one day, but heard nothing positive about the endgame. --- DFFOO ID: 801834319 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solar_Crimson 05/10/24 2:52:50 PM #57: |
MEGAsoldier posted...
Show me where you think the good dialogue in this game isWhere did she say that she thought the dialogue was good? --- "Be good to yourself, because everyone else in the world is probably out to get you." - Dr. Harleen Quinzel ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prestoff 05/10/24 2:55:57 PM #58: |
MEGAsoldier posted...
Show me where you think the good dialogue in this game is Sweet Baby Inc (even knowing the context why they named their company that way, I still think it's very stupid) is a consulting film to help with narratives, but ultimately they're not the ones who make the ultimate decision on what's included in games or not. They also contributed to God of War Ragnarok and Spiderman 2 narrative and those games were critically well received. It just feels like people are picking and choosing the wrong thing to take from Suicide Squad's failure. --- DI MOLTO! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MEGAsoldier 05/10/24 3:01:45 PM #59: |
Solar_Crimson posted... Where did she say that she thought the dialogue was good? She said they didn't write all of it, implying the dialogue they wrote wasn't bad. If she wasn't implying that, what is the point of her post? The fact is sweet baby took a paycheck, worked on this game too, and there isnt a single redeeming quality to show for it. Not saying they were entirely at fault, but obviously they sure didn't help in any way. If there was an article saying sweet baby turned down a paycheck for this game after seeing there was nothing they could do to save it, believe me I would be singing their praises to the moon and back. But this is the real world where they are just a shitty, useless company. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Axiom 05/10/24 3:04:55 PM #60: |
Lol brain broke dudes still talking about some boogieman company ruining this game is hilarious ... Copied to Clipboard!
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sabin017 05/10/24 3:09:02 PM #61: |
Since when did game budgets surpass movie budgets? Is the Unreal Engine licensing that bad?
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Kaldrenthebold 05/10/24 3:11:26 PM #62: |
MEGAsoldier posted...
Figures people here would support Sweet Baby Inc lol Oh boy here come the brain rot takes EDIT: And it's off to the races! --- http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u223/chocolateFRESH/arts/kraid.png - Thanks GP cosmonaut! http://i.imgur.com/TuJWAR8.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MEGAsoldier 05/10/24 3:12:20 PM #63: |
Axiom posted... Lol brain broke dudes still talking about some boogieman company ruining this game is hilarious I get it dude you will defend a left leaning company no matter what they do ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prestoff 05/10/24 3:14:16 PM #64: |
MEGAsoldier posted...
She said they didn't write all of it, implying the dialogue they wrote wasn't bad. If she wasn't implying that, what is the point of her post? The fact is sweet baby took a paycheck, worked on this game too, and there isnt a single redeeming quality to show for it. Not saying they were entirely at fault, but obviously they sure didn't help in any way. If there was an article saying sweet baby turned down a paycheck for this game after seeing there was nothing they could do to save it, believe me I would be singing their praises to the moon and back. But this is the real world where they are just a shitty, useless company. If going by this logic and say that it was Sweet Baby Incs fault for this game sucking, could you also apply that and say they contributed to successes like God of War Ragnarok, Spiderman 2, and Alan Wake 2? --- DI MOLTO! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kami_no_Kami 05/10/24 3:19:31 PM #65: |
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Charged151 05/10/24 3:23:07 PM #66: |
To think a potentially good Superman game got canned for something that was destined to fail.
The thing that eats at me the most is that the game is a sequel to Arkham Knight, which means the Arkham Batman had his great ending ripped from him, --- I'm...the...master...of...ellipses... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solar_Crimson 05/10/24 3:23:25 PM #67: |
MEGAsoldier posted...
She said they didn't write all of it, implying the dialogue they wrote wasn't bad....What. MEGAsoldier posted... If she wasn't implying that, what is the point of her post?To show that they had some role in the game's dialogue, not that she thought it was good or bad or whatever. --- "Be good to yourself, because everyone else in the world is probably out to get you." - Dr. Harleen Quinzel ... Copied to Clipboard!
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invertedlegdrop 05/10/24 3:33:31 PM #68: |
bad game deserved to fail...
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TMOG 05/10/24 3:35:19 PM #69: |
Jupiter posted... They literally doubled down a year before release when they announced the last delay and said they won't remove live service despite all the complaints. Like, they KNEW people hated the concept and even acknowledged the complaints and said they aren't changing shit basically.Are they owned by Fandom? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Axiom 05/10/24 3:39:04 PM #70: |
Prestoff posted... If going by this logic and say that it was Sweet Baby Incs fault for this game sucking, could you also apply that and say they contributed to successes like God of War Ragnarok, Spiderman 2, and Alan Wake 2?*Ghosts* Lmao ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_twisted 05/10/24 3:39:54 PM #71: |
Probably should've written it off as a tax write-off.
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Unknown5uspect 05/10/24 3:40:05 PM #72: |
MEGAsoldier posted...
I get it dude you will defend a left leaning company no matter what they doMAGAsoldier drinking the culture war kool-aid a little heavy today. --- How can the moon landing be real if the moon isn't real? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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creativerealms 05/10/24 3:54:00 PM #73: |
MEGAsoldier posted...
I get it dude you will defend a left leaning company no matter what they doSweet baby was hired to do a job by other companies. And they did their job. Is there any proof that they forced their way into the development of any game, took over creative control and destroyed the original intent? I have yet to see Amy example of that. If one does exist people like you would bring it up every time. Instead you just made vague comments about woke and DEI and inclusion without showing how their involvement ruined any game. Prove that Sweet Baby is responsible for the poor game play loop and greedy monetary practices, the true reasons suicide squad is bad. They are a scapegoat. No one has proved that they are responsible for any of the games they worked on being ruined. I won't defend them because I don't know them, but also have no reason to think they are the cause of all the problems on modern gaming, which some people claim. --- "Intelligence has no place in Politics" Londo, (Babylon Five) Best new show of 2023, One Piece live action. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MEGAsoldier 05/10/24 4:16:31 PM #74: |
Prestoff posted... If going by this logic and say that it was Sweet Baby Incs fault for this game sucking, could you also apply that and say they contributed to successes like God of War Ragnarok, Spiderman 2, and Alan Wake 2? While I would never say anything positive about spiderman 2 or alan wake 2 dialogue or narrative, but I would be willing to concede that the stars aligned and GoW2 was their crowning achievement on the condition that Acemos concedes that they botched this. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MEGAsoldier 05/10/24 4:18:03 PM #75: |
creativerealms posted... Sweet baby was hired to do a job by other companies. And they did their job. Is there any proof that they forced their way into the development of any game, took over creative control and destroyed the original intent? I have yet to see Amy example of that. If one does exist people like you would bring it up every time. Instead you just made vague comments about woke and DEI and inclusion without showing how their involvement ruined any game. MEGAsoldier posted... She said they didn't write all of it, implying the dialogue they wrote wasn't bad. If she wasn't implying that, what is the point of her post? The fact is sweet baby took a paycheck, worked on this game too, and there isnt a single redeeming quality to show for it. Not saying they were entirely at fault, but obviously they sure didn't help in any way. If there was an article saying sweet baby turned down a paycheck for this game after seeing there was nothing they could do to save it, believe me I would be singing their praises to the moon and back. But this is the real world where they are just a shitty, useless company ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AceMos 05/10/24 4:20:52 PM #76: |
MEGAsoldier posted...
While I would never say anything positive about spiderman 2 or alan wake 2 dialogue or narrative, but I would be willing to concede that the stars aligned and GoW2 was their crowning achievement on the condition that Acemos concedes that they botched this.botched what they are not responsible for the success or failure of anygame that is the point we are trying to explain to you --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.*does her janpuu dance* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MEGAsoldier 05/10/24 4:22:19 PM #77: |
AceMos posted... botched what I am not saying they were responsible for the success or failure of the entire game. I am saying they failed at the parts they were hired and paid to do. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 05/10/24 4:24:17 PM #78: |
creativerealms posted...
Sweet baby was hired to do a job by other companies. And they did their job. Is there any proof that they forced their way into the development of any game, took over creative control and destroyed the original intent? I have yet to see Amy example of that. If one does exist people like you would bring it up every time. Instead you just made vague comments about woke and DEI and inclusion without showing how their involvement ruined any game. Nobody has any examples of anything Sweet Baby has changed (for better or worse). All the fear mongering is based entirely off crass tweets made by the employees. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Monopoman 05/10/24 4:25:46 PM #79: |
Prestoff posted...
Sweet Baby Inc (even knowing the context why they named their company that way, I still think it's very stupid) is a consulting film to help with narratives, but ultimately they're not the ones who make the ultimate decision on what's included in games or not. They also contributed to God of War Ragnarok and Spiderman 2 narrative and those games were critically well received. It just feels like people are picking and choosing the wrong thing to take from Suicide Squad's failure. That's how the woke go broke thing works, a great example is the Mario movie before it came out they were already to be like "Princess Peach is better than Mario and has to teach Mario everything another case of wokeness." or "This movie will be a huge bomb because of how woke it is." The movie comes out is a HUGE smash hit financially and then they just stop talking about it and just pretend it never happened, or claim that it wasn't really woke as they thought. Plenty of good woke shit does well plenty of bad non-woke shit does poorly the notion that how woke a game is impacts this is absurd. 95% of the people on the planet don't give a flying fuck about how woke something is in nearly every instance. Sure making a character black who has been primarily white might annoy some but even when they do similar things to that like Miles Morales as Spider-Man he doesn't actually take over Peter Parker as Spider-Man he is his own thing. --- Getting too damn old for this crap! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MEGAsoldier 05/10/24 4:30:47 PM #80: |
Axiom posted... *Ghosts* Also funny how this clown gives me barely 15 minutes before he just couldn't hold it any longer and posts this LMAO ... Copied to Clipboard!
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absolutebuffoon 05/10/24 4:50:34 PM #82: |
MEGAsoldier posted...
I get it dude you will defend a left leaning company no matter what they doI literally couldn't care less either way about sweet baby my guy, I seriously doubt them massaging the text here and there for whatever reason could transform this turd into gold or make it appreciably worse. You're complaining about the parsley on a full course meal of garbage as if you'd eat it otherwise. --- Gamefolks.proboards.com. The newest and greatest spinoff site ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GhostFaceLeaks 05/10/24 4:52:12 PM #83: |
Place your bets how long until Rocksteady is closed.
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Quezovercoatl 05/10/24 4:54:31 PM #84: |
MEGAsoldier posted... While I would never say anything positive about spiderman 2 or alan wake 2 dialogue or narrative, but I would be willing to concede that the stars aligned and GoW2 was their crowning achievement on the condition that Acemos concedes that they botched this.Did you even play Spiderman 2 or Alan Wake 2? Heck, do you even know one line of dialog from those games? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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xlr_big-coop 05/10/24 5:18:54 PM #86: |
Unironically based. It makes me laugh just thinking how the suits reacted once they saw the numbers. Bet they were wondering how could a sure fire idea could go wrong.
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TomClark 05/10/24 5:22:33 PM #87: |
If only people had pointed out that it looked like utter scrotum before it was too late.
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Irony 05/10/24 5:24:09 PM #88: |
Humble_Novice posted...
In before conservatives blame Sweet Baby Inc for this.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/ac2f52aa.jpg --- See profile pic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ForsakenHermit 05/10/24 5:33:05 PM #89: |
That's a shame.
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shinymon 05/10/24 5:36:34 PM #90: |
So is Hogwarts Legacy 2 no longer happening ... Copied to Clipboard!
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name_unknown 05/10/24 5:41:04 PM #91: |
shinymon posted... So is Hogwarts Legacy 2 no longer happeningsure but as a service Warner Bros. Discovery CEO and President of Streaming and Games J.B. Perrette- "Rather than just launching a one-and-done console game, how do we develop a game around, for example, Hogwarts Legacy or Harry Potter, that is a live service where people can live and work and build and play in that world on an ongoing basis?" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bat178 05/10/24 6:35:15 PM #92: |
WB also turned down a Tiny Toon Adventures game collection but Limited Run Games, saying they have no interest.
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pretzelcoatl 05/10/24 7:12:46 PM #93: |
400million decline, holy hell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bandit_Keith 05/10/24 7:30:19 PM #94: |
I hate wording like this because it kind of tells you nothing. It's less money than they made last year during the same stretch, and less than they wanted to make. But how much did it cost to produce the game, and what kind of profits, if any, did they make off of the trash?
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Monopoman 05/10/24 8:10:54 PM #95: |
Bandit_Keith posted...
I hate wording like this because it kind of tells you nothing. It's less money than they made last year during the same stretch, and less than they wanted to make. But how much did it cost to produce the game, and what kind of profits, if any, did they make off of the trash? Companies are best to keep this shit vague, from what I understand there are some smash hit films in Hollywoods past that they claimed were a loss for a number of reasons and conveniently that meant people involved didn't receive some bonus or something. Game companies might pull the same shit claim some random game that looks like it was a hit in some case didn't hit expectations for whatever reason. Oh we sold 3 million copies of game X, but we needed to sell 5 million to turn a profit which may or may not be true. If a company can make more money lying about how rough their situation is you can bet your ass they will. Now this game was likely a real failure but my point is not every game that they claim didn't meet expectations means it was a financial loss. --- Getting too damn old for this crap! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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creativerealms 05/10/24 8:42:08 PM #96: |
Companies just care about maximizing profit with as little effort. They don't care about making great games. Sad that too many "gamers" ignore that and thing the real problem is "woke."
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StealThisSheen 05/10/24 8:52:52 PM #97: |
I do think it's a bit dishonest to say nobody wanted a Suicide Squad game. The concept sounds incredibly fun, and people WERE initially hyped for it... Until it was revealed to be GaaS. THAT is what killed it.
And it's a pity, too. Gameplay-wise, the game is actually kind of a blast. The traversal options between the four characters are all very fun, and the combat feels good. If they hadn't shoved all of this GaaS crap in it, it would have been a good game. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Monopoman 05/10/24 9:05:46 PM #98: |
StealThisSheen posted...
I do think it's a bit dishonest to say nobody wanted a Suicide Squad game. The concept sounds incredibly fun, and people WERE initially hyped for it... Until it was revealed to be GaaS. THAT is what killed it. I also heard the storyline was solid, but just much shorter than the Arkham games so that wasn't enough. People bitch but this was likely WB's decision Rocksteady only makes WB games because WB is their parent company so they make good games but they are at the mercy of what WB wants. If WB says they are spending the next 5-10 years making this live service game they can't protest. Other game companies are not in a similar boat Larian just made a D&D game, Baldur's Gate III but they aren't now tied to D&D for the rest of their game companies life. --- Getting too damn old for this crap! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Delirious_Beard 05/10/24 9:07:25 PM #99: |
where does WB rank among the most incompetently managed companies at this point, gotta be in the top 1%
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Monopoman 05/10/24 9:10:18 PM #100: |
Delirious_Beard posted...
where does WB rank among the most incompetently managed companies at this point, gotta be in the top 1% They aren't the only company trying make the next Fortnite, it seems like live service is the thing every major game company wants because the profits are insane when it works. It's classic big company shit they don't just want a lot of money they want all the money. Smaller developers set out to make a great game they could give a flying fuck on quality, as long as the game gets people playing everyday. --- Getting too damn old for this crap! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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