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And for what? A few non-violent protests against genocide?

To think America used to fight against genocide. Now all of our political parties crave it.

PoIkan posted...

To think America used to fight against genocide. Now all of our political parties crave it.

You must have missed what happened to the natives

I don't think most people care about the Israel/Palestine stuff much. Mostly Jews and Muslims. We have an ancient pact with Israel that we have to honor, otherwise America wouldn't have anything to do with this mess. So it's not really most people's business.

I think hell be fine

P4wn4g3 posted...

We have an ancient pact with Israel that we have to honor,

What the fuck is this, some anime?

What is there some ancient fucking scroll that reads in some scribbled text "If one of us decides to do a genocide, the other country must support it with no exceptions"

What an insane post.

Also to ignore the tens of thousands of students that are currently absolutely caring about genocide, in so far as they're getting arrested over it, is weird.

Aloc posted...

You must have missed what happened to the natives

Touche

P4wn4g3 posted...

I don't think most people care about the Israel/Palestine stuff much. Mostly Jews and Muslims. We have an ancient pact with Israel that we have to honor, otherwise America wouldn't have anything to do with this mess. So it's not really most people's business.

You're probably not wrong that most Americans probably don't care about it and don't care to be informed. Hell, I'm not surprised, considering the average American thinks gender means the same thing as sex. Most people will only care about movements that impact them directly. How many Americans cared about Black Lives Matter, Stop Asian Hate, and post 9-11 stuff that impacted anyone who looks Middle Eastern, Muslim, or had a turban on? It's sad

But they should care. Especially with the Israel-Palesteine War, because we Americans are funding a ridiculous amount of our tax payer money--collectively 50 billion a year to towards Israel.. For mostly weapons. And it's not like they need the money. They aren't Afghanistan or even Ukraine. The Israeli government is the oppressor who are illegally occupying and taking away people's homes and forcing millions of others to live in a 24-7 monitored open-air prison. The Israeli government keeps spinning it on themselves that they are the victims--and sadly, they brainwashed much of their people to believe that. "We have a right to defend ourselves" after Palestinians try to defend themselves.. And then they do 10x the amount of damage and wonder why Palestinians hate them so much.

Aloc posted...

You must have missed what happened to the natives

still happening too

indian reformatory schools still existed when i was a kid via certain legal loop-holes. they would even be established on the same property using the very same buildings they would use back around the early 1900s

they've since rebranded them into christian learning academies exclusive to tribal members coincidentally enough and i know this b/c they were more-or-less foster homes i unfortunately had to live in when i was a pre-teen, before they straight-up made up false accusations about me so i could then be placed into a behavioral health facility in a nearby state (which im not sure how that was legally possible but thats what happened) before i ended up in another group home a week afterward,
mostly for attempting to run away a couple times & spitefully telling relatives over heavily-monitored phone-calls that theyd shut the hot-water heater off on purpose during shower-time + that they werent feeding me after school hours (both of which was 100% true FTR)

anyway yeah, sorry to be slightly off-topic, but just something a lot of ppl dont know that still has been going on at least as of the late 00s

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P4wn4g3 posted...

I don't think most people care about the Israel/Palestine stuff much. Mostly Jews and Muslims. We have an ancient pact with Israel that we have to honor, otherwise America wouldn't have anything to do with this mess. So it's not really most people's business.

Wait what ancient pact lol.

I thought it was simply because the US needed an ally in the Middle East.

Dems have been consistently outperforming in special elections and the midterms, and those are the kind of races Dems tend to suffer at. It's gross that it looks like Biden and the Dems will go unpunished for supporting a genocide, but I think their odds are good come November. Most people understanding we're not really voting for Biden, we're voting against Trump.

The only place I see a lot of anti-Biden sentiment are lefty circles on Twitter, and the terminally online left are traditionally an unreliable to outright useless voting block because they don't seem to understand we're in a two-party system and letting Republicans win won't change that.

NoMeLx22x posted...

What the fuck is this, some anime?

What is there some ancient fucking scroll that reads in some scribbled text "If one of us decides to do a genocide, the other country must support it with no exceptions"

What an insane post.

Also to ignore the tens of thousands of students that are currently absolutely caring about genocide, in so far as they're getting arrested over it, is weird.

Religious folk believe its the holy land and thus must be protected at all costs.

Don't agree but I understand the mindset

Did you hear what happened to the Jews in North Africa? I heard they were ... assimilated

NoMeLx22x posted...

What the fuck is this, some anime?

What is there some ancient fucking scroll that reads in some scribbled text "If one of us decides to do a genocide, the other country must support it with no exceptions"

What an insane post.

Also to ignore the tens of thousands of students that are currently absolutely caring about genocide, in so far as they're getting arrested over it, is weird.

I'm talking about basically all this history, and the formation of Isreal: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

The US under Hoover thought we should be meddling in the middle east because Hoover was a moron, but nobody ever argued the point so we still do it to this day. The end of WWII signal led us becoming the world police, another deal that was bad for us, so that's what we have done to this day. So what you end up with is America fucked with the Palestine / Isreal stuff because it's always been our fault from the moment we began meddling. As far as I'm concerned opinionated students can mind their own fucking business or get a life, we are too heavily entrenched now as the world police to have any say on how we divorce ourselves from the middle east entirely. If people happen to be Muslim or Jewish or have some connection to those countries I can sympathize, and I wish we could get out of the mess but we can't. It's the long version of the War on Terror.

Arcanine you can consider this my rebuttal to your argument as well. Israel is a pro-slavery dictatorship and Hamas is a terrorist organization claiming they are helping misplaced Jews claim back their holy land. I don't see much good on either side, but indeed there are thousands of victims.

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

Dems have been consistently outperforming in special elections and the midterms, and those are the kind of races Dems tend to suffer at. It's gross that it looks like Biden and the Dems will go unpunished for supporting a genocide, but I think their odds are good come November. Most people understanding we're not really voting for Biden, we're voting against Trump.

How did that work out for Kerry 2004?

May I remind you that Biden failed to undo many of Trump's foreign policy fuck ups that he criticized Trump for? Like not reinstating the Iran nuclear deal? Not moving the US embassy out of Jerusalem? Not ending the tariffs and trade war against China? And now banning Tiktok?

P4wn4g3 posted...

I'm talking about basically all this history, and the formation of Isreal: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

The US under Hoover thought we should be meddling in the middle east because Hoover was a moron, but nobody ever argued the point so we still do it to this day. The end of WWII signal led us becoming the world police, another deal that was bad for us, so that's what we have done to this day. So what you end up with is America fucked with the Palestine / Isreal stuff because it's always been our fault from the moment we began meddling. As far as I'm concerned opinionated students can mind their own fucking business or get a life, we are too heavily entrenched now as the world police to have any say on how we divorce ourselves from the middle east entirely. If people happen to be Muslim or Jewish or have some connection to those countries I can sympathize, and I wish we could get out of the mess but we can't. It's the long version of the War on Terror.

Arcanine you can consider this my rebuttal to your argument as well. Israel is a pro-slavery dictatorship and Hamas is a terrorist organization claiming they are helping misplaced Jews claim back their holy land. I don't see much good on either side, but indeed there are thousands of victims.

I know you might find this hard to believe. But we don't actually have to do this. There is no "pact". Israel is a powerful country without our support. The fact that we're still giving them money and weapons to continue doing a genocide is gross, and the argument of "well its just how it's always been and how it always should be" is fucking dumb.

just saw a reddit comment for this

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/89536814.jpg

I know a lot of people are really passionate about this, but it is in fact not an important issue to most young voters (and young voters don't vote much and no this election won't be different).
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/0301a78c.jpg

TC with another inspiring topic.

ssjevot posted...

I know a lot of people are really passionate about this, but it is in fact not an important issue to most young voters (and young voters don't vote much and no this election won't be different).
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/0301a78c.jpg

It's not the I/P issue anymore.

It's the police violence that's going to turn young voters off.

And make it seem like the country is falling apart.

Fenriswolf posted...

How did that work out for Kerry 2004?

May I remind you that Biden failed to undo many of Trump's foreign policy fuck ups that he criticized Trump for? Like not reinstating the Iran nuclear deal? Not moving the US embassy out of Jerusalem? Not ending the tariffs and trade war against China? And now banning Tiktok?

Aside for Trade Tariffs(which some have been eased) that other stuff isn't really something he can do. But even with the trade tariffs, if Republicans and Democrats in government are largely aligned then it is going to continue. Even though a trade war with China is stupid, and only serves to hurt the Chinese people and American people, not just the governments.

Aloc posted...

It's not the I/P issue anymore.

It's the police violence that's going to turn young voters off.

And make it seem like the country is falling apart.

The police are right-wing, and police violence would get MUCH worse in a second Trump presidency.

Bat178 posted...

The police are right-wing, and police violence would get MUCH worse in a second Trump presidency.

I know. But we are talking about what we are seeing now.

Not hypotheticals

Rai_Jin posted...

just saw a reddit comment for this

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/89536814.jpg

Man, so Biden has become a useful idiot for Russia, Israel, TikTok China, and Saudi Arabia. They knew hed never pass up supporting genocide, even if it helps get Trump elected.

The puzzle pieces really come together combining that with Tiktok dances (that are scary to me and make me feel old) having tricked the far left (ooo theyre worse than Trump I tell ya) into thinking genocide is an important issue. They just dont know that genocide is how government works. They must not teach much civics these days. How can us old coots be so much smarter and better than these college educated kids. Maybe us munching on lead chips was healthy after all.

Aloc posted...

It's not the I/P issue anymore.

It's the police violence that's going to turn young voters off.

I doubt it. They're a small minority of a minority and again young people don't vote in significant enough number to matter compared to older ones. Old people are the important factor and they're fully propagandized toward Israel and if Biden wants to win it would be a mistake to alienate reliable older voters for the possibility of getting some young highly unreliable voters. If you were making a moral argument that US support of Israel is wrong I would agree with you, but you're making an argument that this will hurt Biden's chances and the data just doesn't support that narrative.

I know when I think of a leader who'd be a friend of Palestine, or one against literally any genocide for any reason, it's gotta be noted man of peace Trump

Rai_Jin posted...

just saw a reddit comment for this

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/89536814.jpg

So, to summarize that post, the people committing genocide are tricking people into protesting that genocide, in order to get away with more genocide? So what's the solution? Stop protesting genocide and hope that they just stop committing genocide?

rick_alverado posted...

So, to summarize that post, the people committing genocide are tricking people into protesting that genocide, in order to get away with more genocide? So what's the solution? Stop protesting genocide and hope that they just stop committing genocide?

there is one pressure point there to work on, get back blue majority in congress. Maybe something happens then, if not you can call him genocide Joe then.

ssjevot posted...

I doubt it. They're a small minority of a minority and again young people don't vote in significant enough number to matter compared to older ones. Old people are the important factor and they're fully propagandized toward Israel and if Biden wants to win it would be a mistake to alienate reliable older voters for the possibility of getting some young highly unreliable voters. If you were making a moral argument that US support of Israel is wrong I would agree with you, but you're making an argument that this will hurt Biden's chances and the data just doesn't support that narrative.

You're missing the point. It's about how violent these police are getting under Biden that's the problem

sad

Aloc posted...

You're missing the point. It's about how violent these police are getting under Biden that's the problem

as opposed to how peaceful they've historically been during protests?

BrohammedAli posted...

as opposed to how peaceful they've historically been during protests?

Police have never ever been this violent. At least within our lifetimes.

Not during BLM. Not during J6. Not during Unite the Right. You have to go decades after decades back to find when police were this violent.

Aloc posted...

Police have never ever been this violent. At least within our lifetimes.

Not during BLM. Not during J6. Not during Unite the Right. You have to go decades after decades back to find when police were this violent.

oh. you're trolling. My bad, carry on sir!

BrohammedAli posted...

oh. you're trolling. My bad, carry on sir!

Bro stop. They literally are beating these protestors with 1000x the energy they respond to against school shootings.

You know you often post stuff that makes people think you are being disingenuous, but the claim police are the most violent ever right now is a new record.

Bro police literally murdered unarmed black people, shot Vietnam war protestors, the list goes on. This is absolutely not the most violent ever.

Rai_Jin posted...

there is one pressure point there to work on, get back blue majority in congress. Maybe something happens then, if not you can call him genocide Joe then.

How is it a pressure point if you think people shouldn't be applying pressure?

Aloc posted...

Bro stop. They literally are beating these protestors with 1000x the energy they respond to against school shootings.

Yeah. They're cops. Cops are bad.

Did you miss the multiple police riots and the cops opening fire on the press, beating the shit out of random people and hunting protestors like dogs a couple years ago?

Anything is 1000x times the intensity of how they respond to school shootings because they just don't respond until everyone's dead.

ssjevot posted...

You know you often post stuff that makes people think you are being disingenuous, but the claim police are the most violent ever right now is a new record.

Bro police literally murdered unarmed black people, shot Vietnam war protestors, the list goes on. This is absolutely not the most violent ever.

I'm talking against protestors and groups.

The bolded. I specifically said our lifetime.

I'm straight up telling you they didn't treat unite the right and J6 people like this.

We are literally seeing hundreds of cops assault non-violent protestors. With water hoses and shit. A few professors nearly died.

NoMeLx22x posted...

I know you might find this hard to believe. But we don't actually have to do this. There is no "pact". Israel is a powerful country without our support. The fact that we're still giving them money and weapons to continue doing a genocide is gross, and the argument of "well its just how it's always been and how it always should be" is fucking dumb.

I didn't say it should be this way, I said this is how it is. I'm not sure if you're wanting me to be some sort of armchair-legal-historian here but I'm not pointing at any single agreement, I'm saying there have been a ton of agreements forcing us into this. I think they should be cut, but the entire world will have to change before we can just ignore the Israel problem. In other words, right now in THIS reality this ship sailed long ago and anybody not directly attached to the issue has no business caring. I don't see Gaza as an issue for or against either candidate nor do I see it as anywhere newsworthy as it is getting, the only problem I see that literally nobody can change is wrongheaded activists on either side of the Israel/Palistine issue blaming current politicians for the problem they inherited here and voting against them. That will cause swings in some areas, likely against Biden (incorrectly), but again nothing to do about that. We are allied with Israel. It would be interesting to see if Trump did just pull out and stop trading with Israel but I don't think it's an option in the near future.

Rai_Jin posted...

just saw a reddit comment for this

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/89536814.jpg

He's wrong. Bibi doesn't want to flatten Gaza. He wants to prolong the war while maintaining his far right coalition until the day he dies, because it's the only thing keeping him out of prison for corruption and possibly for his role in Oct 7th via funding Hamas in his braindead attempt to weaken the West Bank and prevent Palestine from gaining statehood.

This is precisely why Bibi refuses to fill the power vacuum whenever Hamas is eliminated in an area. Hamas will come right back and fill said vacuum, forcing the IDF to play whack-a-mole, which is precisely what is happening now in Khan Younis.

P4wn4g3 posted...

It would be interesting to see if Trump did just pull out and stop trading with Israel but I don't think it's an option in the near future.

Trump is mad at Biden for holding Israel back. He wants them to attack harder and faster. He also wants the protesters stopped with more force than we are already seeing. There are some posters here who want Trump to win and will try to make you think it won't be worse and might even be better. That's because they want Trump to win.

Oh my God.

This is like.

The first negative topic or thing I've ever made about Biden.

The reality is there is something utterly wrong with the way Biden is responding.

Would Trump be worse? Yes. But this shit going on isn't normal either.

ssjevot posted...

Trump is mad at Biden for holding Israel back. He wants them to attack harder and faster. He also wants the protesters stopped with more force than we are already seeing. There are some posters here who want Trump to win and will try to make you think it won't be worse and might even be better. That's because they want Trump to win.

That doesn't surprise me.

Aloc posted...

Oh my God.

This is like.

The first negative topic or thing I've ever made about Biden.

The reality is there is something utterly wrong with the way Biden is responding.

Would Trump be worse? Yes. But this shit going on isn't normal either.

I guess maybe I'm not understanding what you were referring to in the OP. Police brutality? Do you have a link?

P4wn4g3 posted...

In other words, right now in THIS reality this ship sailed long ago and anybody not directly attached to the issue has no business caring.

Most people can't just turn their empathy off like it's a light switch.

The side who pisses off the middle will cause them to vote against you even if they dont support the other side.