Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 1 - Introduction to Mafia 101

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Ben's solving just didn't click with me at all last have until day 3 and 4. He was in my POE so maybe it had more to do with my perception, but something about day 3 felt more focused that I was much more willing to believe he was town. His posts applying pressure feel more like day 3/4 than 1/2, at least that's how I feel right now. That's why I thought it was interesting that your take was the exact opposite.

Hmm... okay, I can see that. Town Ben definitely came fully online on Day 3 and took charge pretty quickly.

That being said, don't take my reads on Ben as gospel. Back in Tekken Mafia, I thought he was on the other scum team, but Ben was deliberately pretending to be scummy as hell. So I've certainly been wrong before, but I don't feel very confident that this is town Ben so far.

TotallyNotMI posted...

So the reason I asked if Knightz was still here is I felt like he was lurking and cherry picking what to respond to, ignoring questions asked of him.

Then he did respond to that simple question while elaborating slightly on other topics while also just kind of regurgitating what Ulti said earlier about him.

People from last game talk about if all that feels the same from that game please?

I was in last game. This is actually quite a different situation than Knightz had to deal with last game. Last game you had people rightly calling him confirmed town based off his very first post. Ulti did try to vote him a few times day 1 and the final day but we always had very loud town talking him down and the majority was calling Knightz confirmed town all game. Knightz did not start with that luxury this game, so this is different.

I think his level of "defensiveness" made sense, and he was less defensive than Sbell if we're being honest >_> Since Knightz claimed, I am at the point where I think he is solidly town. Also that post offering himself up as emergency lynch is just pure towny from him

PunishedBen posted...

Also that post offering himself up as emergency lynch is just pure towny from him

Are you aware it's an echo of something ulti said almost word for word earlier? That's what's stopping it from seeming towny to me

So uhh red

What was that hit and run?

Saying you've been around doesn't mean anything. Do you have any thoughts at all?

I think Ulti is legit tilted btw

If he was town he'd be happy I'm wrong

As scum he's mad I'm right and is attacking me for it

UltimaterializerX posted...

Nah I'm just echoing what everyone else here thinks internally. You're a joke.

Can you two, like, not have a pissing contest this game? Please?

PunishedBen posted...

I was in last game. This is actually quite a different situation than Knightz had to deal with last game. Last game you had people rightly calling him confirmed town based off his very first post. Ulti did try to vote him a few times day 1 and the final day but we always had very loud town talking him down and the majority was calling Knightz confirmed town all game. Knightz did not start with that luxury this game, so this is different.

I think his level of "defensiveness" made sense, and he was less defensive than Sbell if we're being honest >_> Since Knightz claimed, I am at the point where I think he is solidly town. Also that post offering himself up as emergency lynch is just pure towny from him

Okay this is a good Ben post, though.

The funny thing is

Ulti was on my wheel of names last game entirely to check reactions

As it often is

Compare last game when I called him scum to this one

Dude is MAD

Kirby321 posted...

I'm leaning town power for Ulti right now. Could be scum, but I don't think Ulti doesn't call this much attention to himself right out of the gate if he's scum.

Can we not try and narrow down power roles.

TotallyNotMI posted...

Are you aware it's an echo of something ulti said almost word for word earlier? That's what's stopping it from seeming towny to me

I didn't see that. And i am currently having trouble going back and finding it. He did echo people a lot last game to be fair

IGCD, would anything stop you from shooting Corrik given the oppurtunity?

What did lopen flip

Lopen posted...

Like this post right here

Ulti has removed FD from his lock scum despite that being his first vote and his first post going at FD

That is not town Ulti

Town Ulti makes insane changes to his scumspect list at a speed that would leave f1 drivers in the dust. The man does laps around himself.

Kirby321 posted...

I've basically commented on every "event" that seemed meaningful to me so \_()_/

Yeah i feel like you commented on things without really contributing to the literature

Guessing FD is scum too. Scum Ulti classix to suspect a scummate early then promptly ignore them

PunishedBen posted...

IGCD, would anything stop you from shooting Corrik given the oppurtunity?

In all truthfulness it depends how the game is going. If I legit have a shot that makes me MVP I probably take it, any other reason I shoot him for the luls

Fd is likely scum but it's not because he's paired with Ulti

PeaceFrog posted...

Town Ulti makes insane changes to his scumspect list at a speed that would leave f1 drivers in the dust. The man does laps around himself.

Not day 1.

Day to day his whole list changes. Day 1 he usually just grunts shouts and says GUT a lot while being parked

PeaceFrog posted...

He... is? This feels like green bell pepper levels of spicy from my perspective.

He wanted to quick hammer Sbell immediately for some reason lol

So hey guys let's just policy lynch Ulti for being a jerk. Cool?

##Vote: Ulti

Alright Ulti, let's tone it down. We're here to have fun. Lopen is wrong here and you will not be lynched.

Lopen posted...

Not day 1.

Day to day his whole list changes. Day 1 he usually just grunts shouts and says GUT a lot while being parked

Nah he moves around plenty during individual days. It's when he's consistent that he's more scummy imo.

Also, forgive me if i take the opposite conclusion as you when you say "Someone doesn't do this as Alignment X" when you've been wrong on that from both angles regarding me.

You're both town so kiss and make up.

Ulti x Blade paired makes a ton of sense btw

Probably fed Ulti's nastiness

PeaceFrog posted...

Nah he moves around plenty during individual days. It's when he's consistent that he's more scummy imo.

Based on HIS thoughts not listening to arguments

So red said hello but then nothing else.

Ulti said goodnight but then posted 30 more times.

Things might proceed more productively if they were to swap.

This still feels more like legit Ulti bravado than faked to me, but I didn't know how much more were going to learn from Lopen vs Ulti round Infinity.

Note Knightz and Wallz were not his ideas firstly

UltimaterializerX posted...

Knight is scum or town vanilla. I dont think any other outcome is possible, which also makes him the safest lynch if we have no other options.

Found it for you ben

UltimaterializerX posted...

It really isn't, but it's a good fallback plan while we look elsewhere. Newbie town vanillas don't play scared because they don't care about that role. Newbie scum does.

I dont think Knightz has played enough where his role would change his gameplay at all. He was just told after last game to not claim right away. He's never been mislynched before. Its scary. But the fact that he was scared was NAI and can go both ways

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Lopen vs Ulti round Infinity.

I never start these

Wonder to yourself why he hates me and what started it

It was me saying 4th alignment was not real. Now his whole mafia existence is trying to prove I can't read him

So which do you think makes him more angry. Me being wrong or me being right?

His argument on wallz was fresh. There's only so many players in a game, him not being the first one to go after a particular player is not scummy.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

So red said hello but then nothing else.

Ulti said goodnight but then posted 30 more times.

Things might proceed more productively if they were to swap.

How spicy would you rate this red curry out of ten

PeaceFrog posted...

Yeah i feel like you commented on things without really contributing to the literature

That's just par for the course for me, it seems. My analysis on Day 1 always gets downplayed as not contributing much of anything, but I guess that's just on me for seeing almost nothing of substance in most Day 1 interactions since almost none of it is based on logical play and reasoning.

Also, Ulti, chill out. Don't resort to mean-spirited insults so easily. Whatever your opinion is of Lopen, saying Crescent is better is just awful and is crossing the line. I'd rather have Lopen in my Mafia games over Crescent any day of the week.

TotallyNotMI posted...

Found it for you ben

Oh okay. Yeah I think that's fine. If he showed anything in the last game it was that he catches on quickly. He came in knowing nothing about mafia, we mention one strategy and he quickly adopts it. I think he was agreeing with Ulti there that he's a safe lynch if we have no other options.

Join me on kirby before you go to sleep, Ulti. Hope your early morning goes well for you.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Ulti said goodnight but then posted 30 more times.

Ulti said goodnight? I thought it was Taco. Or maybe MI. Someone with a T at the start of their username.

Kirby321 posted...

I'd rather have Lopen in my Mafia games over Crescent any day of the week.

Literally only two people here wouldn't

Ulti and his scummate Blade who had a Lopen Hate psych up

UltimaterializerX posted...

No I'm tilted because you should have been community-banned for the greater good ages ago but you somehow are allowed continue to ruin every game you play in. And yet again, I'll flip town this game (eventually, it's gonna take scum quite awhile to figure this one out) and you'll be an even further embarrassment than everyone already thinks you are. The one and only bright spot in how you play is no one gives a shit what you say anymore, thank god. You literally scanned a scum guilty last game, died before revealing the info, and town's chances of winning went up because you died first. Does this ever cause introspection? Of course not, because you're the worst type of internet troll there is.

I say it every game -- we could have Crescent, an actual good player, but somehow we're stuck with this garbage every game instead. Hopefully with CE deleted and an influx of new players, hosts stop allowing this nonsense and just cut you from lists.

Cut me from the game you're hosting soon for saying it if you want, but deep down everyone knows full well I'm telling the truth. We would be better off if you closed your account and fucked off.

I think that's off base. I love playing with Lopen

Kirby321 posted...

Ulti said goodnight? I thought it was Taco. Or maybe MI. Someone with a T at the start of their username.

UltimaterializerX posted...

So yeah Im going to sleep. Knight, Kirby, and probably 3-4 others.

50 minutes ago. But far be it from me to judge someone for staying online longer than they intended

But yes, Taco left too and Knightz posted a couple times afterwards, but he seems to be gone now too. One of the only times knightz and taco weren't interacting almost exclusively with each other

Lopen posted...

Literally only two people here wouldn't

Ulti and his scummate Blade who had a Lopen Hate psych up

Okay but you need to cut it out, too, Lopen. You're excessively provoking Ulti beyond what's needed to support your argument that you think Ulti is scum.

Like, both of you are probably town and are just going at each other's throats like you do every game. We've seen this song and dance over and over again. One of you just be the better man and stop perpetuating this.

Ulti hurt my feelings please lynch him

Crescent isn't in this game and mentioning her has no value to this game so stop bringing her up.

Kirby321 posted...

You're excessively provoking Ulti beyond what's needed to support your argument that you think Ulti is scum

I'm not provoking him at all!

Chang and red both said it, though I'll admit i completely overlooked red's comment on it until Ben had me go revisit.

And thank you.

Kirby321 posted...

That's just par for the course for me, it seems. My analysis on Day 1 always gets downplayed as not contributing much of anything, but I guess that's just on me for seeing almost nothing of substance in most Day 1 interactions since almost none of it is based on logical play and reasoning.

That's fair. I've gotten tunneled on you before for this same situation, generally speaking. But this is a vibe check that you have not passed.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

50 minutes ago. But far be it from me to judge someone for staying online longer than they intended

But yes, Taco left too and Knightz posted a couple times afterwards, but he seems to be gone now too. One of the only times knightz and taco weren't interacting almost exclusively with each other

Ah, okay.

+1 town points for FD. I like your attentiveness.
... Which, given that it's you, it's more NAI, but fuck it, I'm putting you in my town pile. Welcome to the club.

Lopen posted...

Ulti hurt my feelings please lynch him

I am trying to have personal growth and all that jazz

PeaceFrog posted...

That's fair. I've gotten tunneled on you before for this same situation, generally speaking. But this is a vibe check that you have not passed.

It's okay, Peaf. You still passed my vibe check.

Got any insights on SBell vs. Blade? Since apparently that was super important. Actually, I'm more interested in your opinion of Blade, given that I don't really know anything about him or his playstyle.