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TheGoldenEel
04/23/24 3:23:39 PM
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https://thehill.com/business/4615452-ftc-votes-to-ban-non-compete-agreements/

The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) voted3-2 Tuesday to ban noncompete agreements that prevent tens of millions of employees from working for competitors or starting a competing business after they leave a job.

From fast food workers to CEOs, the FTC estimates 18 percent of the U.S. workforce is covered by noncompete agreements around 30 million people.

The final rule would ban new noncompete agreements for all workers and require companies to let current and past employees know they wont enforce them. Companies will also have to throw out existing noncompete agreements for most employees, although in a change from the original proposal, the agreements may remain in effect for senior executives.
It is so profoundly unfree and unfair for people to be stuck in jobs they want to leave, not because they lacked better alternatives, but because noncompetes preclude another firm from fairly competing for their labor, requiring workers instead to leave their industries or their homes to make ends, said FTC Commissioner Rebecca Slaughter (D) in prepared remarks.

The new rule is slated to go into effect in 120 days after its published in the Federal Register. But its future is uncertain, as pro-business groups opposing the rule are expected to take legal action to block its implementation.

Business groups say noncompete agreements are critical for protecting proprietary information and intellectual property, although the rule would not ban other methods for protecting that information, including nondisclosure and confidentiality agreements. They also question the agencys authority to issue the blanket, retroactive ban.

Congress has not given the agency explicit authority to ban noncompetes, although there have been several bipartisan bills introduced to reform noncompete agreements, including the Workforce Mobility Act sponsored by Sens. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), Todd Young (R-Ind.), Tim Kaine (D-Va.) and Kevin Kramer (R-N.D.), and the Freedom to Compete Act sponsored by Sens. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.).

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the largest pro-business lobbying group in the country, has said it will sue to block the rule.

While the dissenting commissioners said they did not support noncompete agreements carte blanche, they did not believe the agency had the authority to issue the rule without an express directive from Congress.

Beginning with policy puts the cart before the horse, said FTC Commissioner Andrew Ferguson (R). No matter how important, conspicuous and controversial the issue, and no matter how wise the administrative solution, an administrative agencys power to regulate must always be grounded in the valid grant of authority from Congress. Because we lacked that authority, the final rule is unlawful.

The lawsuit would be the latest battle between the business community and President Bidens administration, with agencies including the FTC rolling out measures to crack down on corporate price gouging, junk fees and alleged anti-competitive behavior. Last month, the Chamber led a lawsuit challenging a Consumer Financial Protection Bureau rule that caps credit card late fees at $8 for the largest issuers.

i suspect this will be blocked by a chud federal judge immediately and then struck down by the supreme court for made-up reasons

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misterbum
04/23/24 3:24:05 PM
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Heh. Well then.

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Tyranthraxus
04/23/24 3:24:22 PM
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Now ban mandatory arbitration agreements

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Xenogears15
04/23/24 3:28:57 PM
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Oh wow. I didn't expect this.

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DipDipDiver
04/23/24 3:30:11 PM
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Good, I've always thought those clauses were really underhanded

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Antifar
04/23/24 3:41:05 PM
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Hell yeah

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MrToothHasYou
04/23/24 3:41:32 PM
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Ive never worked a job where I had to sign a non-compete, but I do remember when I was playing in a band a lot of venues in bigger cities (big enough to have actual contracts with their gigs) included some kind of language prohibiting you from performing within a certain radius of the venue, usually like 50 miles, for a certain period before and after the date of your gig. I imagine those kinds of contracts would not fall under the same category since as performers you arent actually employed by either the venue or the promoter.

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Gobstoppers12
04/23/24 3:41:53 PM
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Ooo now that's awesome. Non-compete stuff always seemed so weird to me.

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DrizztLink
04/23/24 3:41:58 PM
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I'm fully good with this.

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Irony
04/23/24 3:42:07 PM
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Good these things are fucking bullshit

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Jagr_68
04/23/24 3:43:56 PM
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I can get down with this kind of capitalism.

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ScazarMeltex
04/23/24 3:45:21 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Now ban mandatory arbitration agreements


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SgtBash
04/23/24 3:46:40 PM
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Wrestling fans seem to be happy, but the wrestlers are independent contractors are they not?

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WingsOfGood
04/23/24 3:48:42 PM
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all those big tech companies who gleefully laid off tons of high value employees cause they could

OOPSIE

oh no they just started a new company and it is better than ours

OOPS
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burns112233
04/23/24 3:53:18 PM
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I worked at a TV news station and it sucks when you want to leave a bad company and the bosses throw it in your face that you can't work at any of the other news stations in the city, so you're pretty much forced to leave your home and start a new life elsewhere or let the abuse continue.
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UnsteadyOwl
04/23/24 3:54:35 PM
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This is good. Non-compete agreements should be done away with. Hopefully the courts don't strike it down.

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uwnim
04/23/24 4:04:57 PM
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Non-competes are pretty fucked up.

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Solar_Crimson
04/23/24 4:10:25 PM
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Good.

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sfcalimari
04/23/24 4:14:03 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
and then struck down by the supreme court for made-up reasons

Sadly it fails the important legal test of "what would a late 18th century white slave owner do"

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Rika_Furude
04/23/24 4:34:48 PM
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Americans are finally getting at least a bit of freedom. Not enough and not quickly enough though
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legendary_zell
04/23/24 4:40:42 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Now ban mandatory arbitration agreements

This is what I really really want. The dominance of these "agreements" pisses me off more than almost anything else. It's just such a false idea of agreement and consent that is inherently, purposefully titled towards the powerful/capital.

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Horith
04/23/24 5:30:36 PM
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sfcalimari posted...
Sadly it fails the important legal test of "what would a late 18th century white slave owner do"

Oh for sure. Give it a year, maaaaaybe two and itll be on the Supreme Courts chopping block. They need to remind us were nothing but disposable wage slaves.
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TheGoldenEel
04/23/24 5:41:03 PM
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Horith posted...
Oh for sure. Give it a year, maaaaaybe two and itll be on the Supreme Courts chopping block. They need to remind us were nothing but disposable wage slaves.
lol at the optimism

the article says the chamber of commerce is planning to sue immediately

this will certainly be blocked by a trump appointed judge before it even goes into effect

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pkmnlord
04/23/24 5:44:42 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Now ban "right to work" states


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ClayGuida
04/23/24 5:46:34 PM
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Good.

When I read about places like Jimmy John's in NYC having employees sign non compete clauses that last year's after employment it was clear how ridiculous these and NDA's can be and are exploited.

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ClayGuida
04/23/24 5:47:36 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
lol at the optimism

the article says the chamber of commerce is planning to sue immediately

this will certainly be blocked by a trump appointed judge before it even goes into effect
The chamber of commerce is just a lobby group, not an actual government entity.

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Sir_Will
04/23/24 6:29:17 PM
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Wish they were illegal across my country. Like too many other things, I think it falls into provincial jurisdiction so it's a patchwork.

TheGoldenEel posted...
https://thehill.com/business/4615452-ftc-votes-to-ban-non-compete-agreements/

i suspect this will be blocked by a chud federal judge immediately and then struck down by the supreme court for made-up reasons
A legitimate fear. States rights or another way to try and weaken federal agencies.

sfcalimari posted...
Sadly it fails the important legal test of "what would a late 18th century white slave owner do"
Indeed.

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Horith
04/23/24 6:59:57 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
lol at the optimism

the article says the chamber of commerce is planning to sue immediately

this will certainly be blocked by a trump appointed judge before it even goes into effect

Oh yeah, I forgot that injunctions to block any sort of enforcement is a thing. So yeah, this rule is, like so many things that might actually help workers, worth less than the paper it was printed on.

But hey, at least the FTC tried, as opposed to actively working to undermine labor rights. Although the logic of the conservative members about how noncompete clauses encourage investment in training and worker retention is fucking laughable. Im not sure what would be sadder, them knowing its an outright lie or actually believing the bullshit they spewed.
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TheGoldenEel
04/23/24 7:37:08 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
The chamber of commerce is just a lobby group, not an actual government entity.
yeah, and theyre planning on suing to block this for the businesses they lobby for

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UnsteadyOwl
04/23/24 7:58:07 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Come on. If non-compete agreements were largely unenforceable in practice there wouldn't be business groups suing to try to stop this ban.

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thronedfire2
04/23/24 7:59:52 PM
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UnsteadyOwl posted...
Come on. If non-compete agreements were largely unenforceable in practice there wouldn't be business groups suing to try to stop this ban.

but they are largely unenforceable. they're also largely unchallengeable for people who need jobs and can't afford to waste money on a court case. and all the people who don't know their rights.

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UnsteadyOwl
04/23/24 8:02:19 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
but they are largely unenforceable. they're also largely unchallengeable for people who need jobs and can't afford to waste money on a court case. and all the people who don't know their rights.
Good point

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Alteres
04/23/24 8:25:33 PM
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I was told the enforcement of non-compete agreements was recently strengthened in GA, and now companies can effectively come after you.

I was actually warned about this a few weeks ago as it effects my profession >_>

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ClayGuida
04/23/24 8:32:10 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
yeah, and theyre planning on suing to block this for the businesses they lobby for
Every single piece of legislation passed on the federal, state, or municipal levels brings lawsuits.

Every one of them.

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RetuenOfDevsman
04/23/24 8:43:36 PM
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Didn't see that one coming.

But yeah, while I can see some employers not wanting to train people and lose them immediately, there were always better ways to retain employees, so I can get behind this.

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Anteaterking
04/23/24 8:44:47 PM
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Did this come out of nowhere? I don't think I had heard they were considering this.

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Goldice
04/23/24 8:45:13 PM
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Exciting until a conservative court overturns it

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LSGW_Zephyra
04/23/24 8:46:56 PM
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Ban stock buybacks next

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TheGoldenEel
04/23/24 8:53:46 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
Every single piece of legislation passed on the federal, state, or municipal levels brings lawsuits.

Every one of them.
I dont know what you think youre arguing

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Starks
04/23/24 8:54:37 PM
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Pro wrestling is going to love this

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Antifar
04/23/24 9:02:11 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
Did this come out of nowhere? I don't think I had heard they were considering this.
No, it's been in the works
https://www.vox.com/recode/2023/1/5/23540951/noncompete-agreements-ban-biden

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Anteaterking
04/23/24 9:25:29 PM
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Antifar posted...
No, it's been in the works
https://www.vox.com/recode/2023/1/5/23540951/noncompete-agreements-ban-biden

Thanks for the link.

Sounds pretty good, especially for the people working jobs that couldn't possibly warrant non-competes (like non-competes from Jimmy John's to rival sandwich places).

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ClayGuida
04/23/24 9:49:20 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
I dont know what you think youre arguing
"It won't matter, they're suing"

Literally everyone sues every piece of legislation.

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DrizztLink
04/23/24 9:51:05 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
Literally everyone sues every piece of legislation.
Seems like it would make more sense to make it a class action, that's like 8 billion litigants.

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bnui_ransder
04/23/24 9:51:06 PM
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The companies are all scared because they are so used to being able to be the only one who takes anything

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TheGoldenEel
04/23/24 10:32:15 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
"It won't matter, they're suing"

Literally everyone sues every piece of legislation.
It wont matter, because the trump-packed courts are actively blocking federal agencies from making rules like this every chance they get

so that + there is already a powerful lobbying group planning to sue, and Republicans on the FTC board already claiming the rule is illegal, yes, I think this will get struck down with the quickness

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wanderingshade
04/23/24 11:05:55 PM
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Eff the man. Workers haven't had a big W like this in a long time.

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FortuneCookie
04/23/24 11:10:37 PM
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A rare win for the FTC.
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