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Glob
04/14/24 9:05:59 AM
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As many of you know, Im a Brit that no longer lives in the UK. I have no intention of ever moving back. However, Brits living overseas can still vote in elections.

Id argue that as somebody who never intends to be a resident of the country again, its really not my place to actively take part in the politics of the place.

I have a colleague who feels that everybody with the ability to vote has a moral obligation to do so.

What are your thoughts?
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superben
04/14/24 9:09:38 AM
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Where do u live now?
I voted no btw
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Glob
04/14/24 9:20:39 AM
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superben posted...
Where do u live now?
I voted no btw

Vietnam.
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Glob
04/14/24 12:00:33 PM
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Bump
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Zwijn
04/14/24 12:07:01 PM
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You can impact elections and make other lives better, Id say you should vote.
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K181
04/14/24 12:09:26 PM
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The Tories were so catastrophically bad for the UK that you should vote against them regardless just because.

Punish gross incompetence.

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Glob
04/14/24 12:18:04 PM
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K181 posted...
The Tories were so catastrophically bad for the UK that you should vote against them regardless just because.

Punish gross incompetence.

I mean, thats what I would do if I still lived there. Im very anti-Tory.

Zwijn posted...
You can impact elections and make other lives better, Id say you should vote.

Theres some merit to what you say but at the same time I feel like somebody like me voting undermines democracy. In the same way that I dont think people above a certain age should have been allowed to vote in the Brexit referendum, as they dont have to face the consequences of the results, I feel like I shouldnt vote as Im no longer part of the system.
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Choco
04/14/24 12:22:16 PM
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a friend of mine has austrian citizenship just because his dad's from there and he has voted in at least one of their elections even though he does not and has never lived there
i find that perverted but your situation is less extreme

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Zwijn
04/14/24 12:22:41 PM
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Glob posted...
I mean, thats what I would do if I still lived there. Im very anti-Tory.

Theres some merit to what you say but at the same time I feel like somebody like me voting undermines democracy. In the same way that I dont think people above a certain age should have been allowed to vote in the Brexit referendum, as they dont have to face the consequences of the results, I feel like I shouldnt vote as Im no longer part of the system.
Democracy and the system arent amazing, some opinions are just objectively shit and if you are able to make the the better voice bigger go for it.
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Glob
04/14/24 6:45:40 PM
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50% each. This one seems to have really split the board.
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Choco
04/14/24 6:48:51 PM
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Zwijn posted...
You can impact elections and make other lives better, Id say you should vote.
why does he get to decide what does and doesn't make other people's lives better

Zwijn posted...
Democracy and the system arent amazing, some opinions are just objectively shit and if you are able to make the the better voice bigger go for it.
never mind

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Humble_Novice
04/14/24 6:50:19 PM
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Yes, I highly encourage you to vote against the Tories because every little bit counts.

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archizzy
04/14/24 6:56:50 PM
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It's an interesting situation and I can see both sides (BoTh SidEz) of the debate. Personally I feel like if you don't live there and never have any intentions of ever living there again then you shouldn't vote. Let me rephrase it. It isn't so much that you shouldn't but I think it is perfectly acceptable should you choose not to. That probably states it better.

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Sonic_Cannon
04/14/24 6:58:17 PM
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Glob posted...
I have no intention of ever moving back.
For me I think this is the deciding factor. I wouldn't vote in this situation.

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Humble_Novice
04/14/24 7:02:58 PM
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While the choice to vote is entirely up to you, I do think your vote would help any close friends and relatives you might have in the UK. After all, razor-thin races can happen unexpectedly and that one vote might just make things better overall for the people living there.

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Glob
04/14/24 7:26:27 PM
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archizzy posted...
It's an interesting situation and I can see both sides (BoTh SidEz) of the debate. Personally I feel like if you don't live there and never have any intentions of ever living there again then you shouldn't vote. Let me rephrase it. It isn't so much that you shouldn't but I think it is perfectly acceptable should you choose not to. That probably states it better.

Sonic_Cannon posted...
For me I think this is the deciding factor. I wouldn't vote in this situation.

I agree, but can also understand the opposite argument. If I wasnt sure if I was going to move back or not, then Id say it makes more sense to vote. But the only reasons Im not ever going for citizenship where I live are because it would significantly lower my salary and having a UK passport makes travel much easier.

Humble_Novice posted...
While the choice to vote is entirely up to you, I do think your vote would help any close friends and relatives you might have in the UK. After all, razor-thin races can happen unexpectedly and that one vote might just make things better overall for the people living there.

My understanding is that my vote would count in whatever constituency I was in before I left, which would limit my ability to vote tactically, but you raise a fair point.
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Zwijn
04/14/24 10:38:37 PM
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Choco posted...
why does he get to decide what does and doesn't make other people's lives better

never mind
Yeah man, those voices literally saying certain people shouldnt have rights are just as important. Dont be some centrist.
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Kradek
04/15/24 12:37:55 AM
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It's respectable that you don't want to participate in elections when you never plan to rejoin the nation, however, I guess it ultimately depends on who you would vote for.

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Glob
04/15/24 8:52:42 AM
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Kradek posted...
It's respectable that you don't want to participate in elections when you never plan to rejoin the nation, however, I guess it ultimately depends on who you would vote for.

Does it really though?

Do we say that the people who vote the correct way should have more of a right or obligation to vote?
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Kradek
04/15/24 10:28:56 AM
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Glob posted...
Does it really though?

Do we say that the people who vote the correct way should have more of a right or obligation to vote?

I mean, if you have the ability to vote against fascists gaining power, which isn't exactly the Tories from what I know, however my understanding is that they are constantly looking for ways to hurt the British people and are responsible for Brexit, it seems like the morally right thing to do would be to prevent that.

If I lived overseas and retained the ability to vote against Republicans I would because them gaining control of government is not good for the American people nor the world in general.

However, if you were someone who would vote for the Tories or Republicans, then yeah I'd want you to not vote because your vote would cause harm to people.

Were this 30 years ago and there was more nuance to the parties it would be more understanding, however in modern times voting for a Republican is just the immoral thing to do, even if it's not illegal and tens of millions will still do it and I don't want their voting rights suppressed because they'll do so.

So, yeah, it does matter.

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gu-gohan
04/15/24 10:43:46 AM
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Zwijn posted...
You can impact elections and make other lives better, Id say you should vote.
This

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McMarbles
04/15/24 10:46:57 AM
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Always always be suspicious of people trying to convince you not to vote.

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Glob
04/15/24 10:51:47 AM
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McMarbles posted...
Always always be suspicious of people trying to convince you not to vote.

Thats not really happening though, is it?
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Cemith
04/15/24 10:53:17 AM
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gu-gohan posted...
This


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Economics
04/15/24 10:58:03 AM
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Ill be honest I dont really want to vote but Ill vote for Biden anyways

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PMarth2002
04/15/24 10:58:33 AM
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I voted yes, mostly just to help reduce harm for people living there. I'm not sure how bad your politicians are compared to ours.

Out of curiosity, can you vote in vietnam?

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Glob
04/15/24 11:03:01 AM
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PMarth2002 posted...
I voted yes, mostly just to help reduce harm for people living there. I'm not sure how bad your politicians are compared to ours.

The Tories are pretty openly evil and have been for a while.

Out of curiosity, can you vote in vietnam?

No, Im not a Vietnamese citizen. Its not possible to get dual citizenship here, so becoming a citizen would mean renouncing the UK, surrendering my passport and taking an 87.5% pay cut so its really not worth doing.
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McMarbles
04/15/24 12:07:32 PM
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Glob posted...
Thats not really happening though, is it?
Nearly half the polls respondents are saying no. Curiously not curiously at all theyre not actually posting in the thread.

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Glob
04/15/24 7:12:34 PM
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McMarbles posted...
Nearly half the polls respondents are saying no. Curiously not curiously at all theyre not actually posting in the thread.

Thats exactly what I mean. Theyre not really trying to convince me of anything as theyre not offering any arguments.
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room101
04/16/24 9:23:53 AM
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Have you checked to see what you'll have to do in order to vote? I left the UK nearly eight years ago, with no intention of returning, but I did look into how I'd go about voting. Certainly at that time, the registration process was obnoxious enough (deliberately and unnecessarily so) that I didn't bother.

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Glob
04/16/24 9:30:59 AM
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room101 posted...
Have you checked to see what you'll have to do in order to vote? I left the UK nearly eight years ago, with no intention of returning, but I did look into how I'd go about voting. Certainly at that time, the registration process was obnoxious enough (deliberately and unnecessarily so) that I didn't bother.

Yeah, it does look like like a pain in the arse, but I work with people who do it so it wouldnt be impossible.
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