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gna647 04/13/24 7:47:44 PM #1: |
Weird how the reviews are so polarizing and people saying wheres the wOrLD bUiLdIng but imo it didnt need that at all. best combat action on screen in history of cinema, period ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bsp77 04/13/24 8:04:49 PM #2: |
It was great. I posted my Letterboxd review in another thread. I could do so here too.
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gna647 04/14/24 12:56:27 AM #3: |
bsp77 posted... It was great. I posted my Letterboxd review in another thread. I could do so here too. yes please ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 04/14/24 12:57:48 AM #4: |
gna647 posted...
best combat action on screen in history of cinema, periodI haven't seen it yet but I got some doubts on this shit at the very least lol --- http://i.imgur.com/x04tPRZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t7T392I.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kradek 04/14/24 2:53:15 AM #5: |
Was there a scene where the main character stopped, looked dead into the camera and says, "What's so civil about war, anyways?"
If not, no want. gna647 posted... best combat action on screen in history of cinema, period Bro, I've seen Hardcore Henry. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GuerrillaSoldier 04/14/24 2:56:05 AM #6: |
OLDULI? what is that? some secret civil war code?
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gna647 04/14/24 4:50:38 AM #7: |
Smashingpmkns posted... I haven't seen it yet but I got some doubts on this shit at the very least lol im not kidding. Ive seen apocalypse now, full metal jacket, saving private Ryan, jarhead this movie without a doubt has the best modern warfare combat in cinematic history absolutely watch it with the best sound you can get ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GrandConjuraton 04/14/24 5:01:58 AM #8: |
bOTh SidES: The Movie
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bsp77 04/14/24 11:30:26 AM #9: |
GrandConjuraton posted...
bOTh SidES: The MovieWrong. It simply isn't about sides, which is not the same thing. I will add that I know that some people feel it is bad to not take a side with the current state of the United States. However, I feel that would just have been preaching to the choir and not accomplished anything. I also don't review movies based on what they are not, I review them based on what they are. --- Currently playing: Cyberpunk 2077 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Crimsoness 04/14/24 11:31:13 AM #10: |
GrandConjuraton posted...
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bsp77 04/14/24 11:31:22 AM #11: |
gna647 posted...
yes please The easy part of the review - the filmmaking. It's near flawless. The cinematography, the editing, the sound design. All fantastic, which helps lend a very taut, uncomfortable feel throughout. This is a very gripping film. The harder part of the review - the story and the themes. I was unsure when I walked out exactly what I thought. But in the hour since I walked out, I can think of nothing else. It is starting to make sense, but I also keep finding contradictions. So yeah, it's a Garland film. This is the exact same thematic haziness seen with Ex Machina, Annihilation, and Men, but they aren't hazy because of a flaw in the writing. On the contrary, they inspire thought and discussion, as, similar to real life, things aren't simple. I could spend serious time debating them with fellow film goers. Yes, even the flawed Men warrants discussion. I guess I haven't said anything about the themes, but it takes having seen the whole movie to get too specific. That said, apathy, disenchantment, and desensitization are at the heart of the film, while also having the desire to actually see and know everything. Let's stare at the deadly car crash, but detach ourselves from actually caring. The movie is entirely apolitical and we rarely even know whose "side" most of the characters are on. It doesn't matter. All that matters is that the others are the enemy. We also don't need the backstory; it is way too easy for all of us to make up a very feasible one. Finally, I just want to mention that both Kirsten Dunst and Cailee Spaeny are wonderful. Dunst still has it in her, and Spaeny likely has a very bright future ahead of her. 9 / 10 --- Currently playing: Cyberpunk 2077 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScazarMeltex 04/14/24 11:46:18 AM #12: |
I haven't seen the film yet though I plan on doing so. My understanding is that the journalist characters are portrayed as being neutral and impartial observers or wt least attempting to be. (If I'm incorrect here people who have seen the film can correct me) Which I take issue with. I have an problems with the idea that journalism, especially war journalism, should be inherently neutral.
Robert Evans, who is extremely critical of the modern state of journalism put it something like this "if one group is claiming that it's raining and another claims that it isn't, it's not your job as a journalist to report both sides claims uncritically. It's to go outside for yourself and see if it's raining or not and report on that, who is lying about it, and why." --- Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bsp77 04/14/24 12:07:07 PM #13: |
ScazarMeltex posted...
I haven't seen the film yet though I plan on doing so. My understanding is that the journalist characters are portrayed as being neutral and impartial observers or wt least attempting to be. (If I'm incorrect here people who have seen the film can correct me) Which I take issue with. I have an problems with the idea that journalism, especially war journalism, should be inherently neutral.You are assuming that the journalists are being portrayed in an inherently positive light --- Currently playing: Cyberpunk 2077 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RndmNmber1 04/14/24 12:10:04 PM #14: |
Close 2nd best MCU after Infinity Wars.
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CSCA33 04/14/24 12:11:00 PM #15: |
ScazarMeltex posted...
I haven't seen the film yet though I plan on doing so. My understanding is that the journalist characters are portrayed as being neutral and impartial observers or wt least attempting to be. (If I'm incorrect here people who have seen the film can correct me) Which I take issue with. I have an problems with the idea that journalism, especially war journalism, should be inherently neutral.Very true, and thats a major problem with journalism surrounding trans rights as well. Im going to see the film soon. Ive seen and appreciated good films about war journalism before, but trying to play the both/no sides angle does not bode well. This film really sounds like it shit the bed in a bad way for lack of care in handling the narrative. Heres the setting for the film about a modern US civil war, and by the way that does not matter to the film --- [click here] pronouns incoming SHE HAS PRONOUNS!>(She/Her)<CHECK OUT my PRONOUNS ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GrandConjuraton 04/14/24 12:12:18 PM #16: |
CSCA33 posted...
Very true, and thats a major problem with journalism surrounding trans rights as well.But both sides! Compromise with fascists! --- When do we know how long we can break it? Where do we go to have some? https://imgur.com/o21DN7r ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 04/14/24 12:12:56 PM #17: |
ScazarMeltex posted...
I haven't seen the film yet though I plan on doing so. My understanding is that the journalist characters are portrayed as being neutral and impartial observers or wt least attempting to be. (If I'm incorrect here people who have seen the film can correct me) Which I take issue with. I have an problems with the idea that journalism, especially war journalism, should be inherently neutral. buy they arent. They have a better relationship with the western forces than they do with the presidents side and they talk about the shit the president doesnt throughout the movie. people saying both sides are digging their head into the ground. What actually happens is you see how journalist act with competing sides to get the scoop, which is absolutely different from how you and others make it out to be. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SHRlKE 04/14/24 12:14:12 PM #18: |
I thought the lack of world building was really annoying. The fact there were
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Heavy_D_Forever 04/14/24 12:17:03 PM #19: |
GrandConjuraton posted...
But both sides! Compromise with fascists!Keep crying. Not everything in the world is going to cater to your precious little echo chamber. The majority of the country is sick of hearing people like you bitch and moan about everything constantly. --- E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 04/14/24 12:18:47 PM #20: |
Heavy_D_Forever posted...
Keep crying. Not everything in the world is going to cater to your precious little echo chamber. The majority of the country is sick of hearing people like you bitch and moan about everything constantly. I dont imagine theres a single person on CE who gives a shit what you think or are sick of. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bsp77 04/14/24 12:21:15 PM #21: |
GrandConjuraton posted...
But both sides! Compromise with fascists!I see you won't respond to me. I have always been supportive of you, but when you post shit like this, I just think, "go outside" --- Currently playing: Cyberpunk 2077 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CSCA33 04/14/24 12:22:47 PM #22: |
There doesnt even have to be good or bad guys, but its doing a disservice to make a film about a literal civil war and give the audience zero context or information about the conflict. Thats pretty crucial information for the narrative.
I mean is this trying to be some really far out performance piece? It doesnt seem like that to me. It could still be a good film in other aspects. --- [click here] pronouns incoming SHE HAS PRONOUNS!>(She/Her)<CHECK OUT my PRONOUNS ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Heavy_D_Forever 04/14/24 12:24:17 PM #23: |
Zeeak4444 posted...
I dont imagine theres a single person on CE who gives a shit what you think or are sick of.Based on how popular this movie is, it appears the only ones crying about it are a very vocal minority. It's best to shut them down before they get any louder. --- E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bsp77 04/14/24 12:24:43 PM #24: |
CSCA33 posted...
There doesnt even have to be good or bad guys, but its doing a disservice to make a film about a literal civil war and give the audience zero context or information about the conflict. Thats pretty crucial information for the narrative.Not every movie needs to be about narrative, but I can understand the frustration --- Currently playing: Cyberpunk 2077 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ItsNotA2Mer 04/14/24 12:25:31 PM #25: |
Zeeak4444 posted...
I dont imagine theres a single person on CE who gives a shit what you think or are sick of. I do! --- It is impossible to live in the past, difficult to live in the present, and a waste to live in the future. (He/Him). ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CSCA33 04/14/24 12:28:06 PM #26: |
bsp77 posted...
Not every movie needs to be about narrative, but I can understand the frustrationAs an artist myself I can very much appreciate the different aspects in a film with actor performances, what story the director wants to tell, visually and otherwise, and the whole thing treated as a work of art. I typically love A24 and other independent films made in such a manner with artistic considerations. And I really love some of Garlands other work, particularly ex machina. --- [click here] pronouns incoming SHE HAS PRONOUNS!>(She/Her)<CHECK OUT my PRONOUNS ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheMikh 04/14/24 12:31:59 PM #27: |
SHRlKE posted...
The fact there were haven't seen it yet, but despite the film's purported lack of plausibility or worldbuilding, that's precisely how civil wars tend to be --- http://i.imgur.com/A0TAfek.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GrandConjuraton 04/14/24 12:32:01 PM #28: |
Heavy_D_Forever posted...
Based on how popular this movie is, it appears the only ones crying about it are a very vocal minority. It's best to shut them down before they get anyShut them down? You're overestimating how much sway you can have on pretty much anyone, because you definitely don't have any on me. bsp77 posted... I see you won't respond to me. I have always been supportive of you, but when you post shit like this, I just think, "go outside"To be fair, I read your post before you edited the second it in. I'm not going to cede any ground to anyone who thinks my life (or anyone like me) is for debate. More people not taking a stance against fascism in places like Florida is actively killing people like me, so I very much fault anyone who doesn't actively push back against it. --- When do we know how long we can break it? Where do we go to have some? https://imgur.com/o21DN7r ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bsp77 04/14/24 12:32:39 PM #29: |
CSCA33 posted...
As an artist myself I can very much appreciate the different aspects in a film with actor performances, what story the director wants to tell, visually and otherwise, and the whole thing treated as a work of art.Just go in with an open mind. I get annoyed with people having preconceived notions about something they haven't seen just because of it starring impartial journalists or it has 2 seconds of footage from a sketchy source. There is a point when political outrage is going too far, and this is definitely that point. I always vote Democrat, I surround myself with liberal & LGBTQ people, I support causes and events. I put my time and money into fighting conservatives and fascists, but it's a goddamn movie with themes that aren't about politics. People need to chill. GrandConjuraton - this works for you too. Sorry if I was rude because I do like you personally. --- Currently playing: Cyberpunk 2077 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GrandConjuraton 04/14/24 12:50:03 PM #30: |
Wars center on politics of some kind, whether it be as simple as expanding your territory for arbitrary reasons, expanding a religion, or something like quelling certain ideas or people, or even for liberation purposes. To portray a war where nothing is given any context at all does seem to have a political agenda of its own because reasons for conflict or disagreement DO matter; not all sides are created equally, morally or otherwise. Most of the time, there is always a "good" side, and that's important to remember.
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bsp77 04/14/24 12:53:27 PM #31: |
GrandConjuraton posted...
Wars center on politics of some kind, whether it be as simple as expanding your territory for arbitrary reasons, expanding a religion, or something like quelling certain ideas or people, or even for liberation purposes. To portray a war where nothing is given any context at all does seem to have a political agenda of its own because reasons for conflict or disagreement DO matter; not all sides are created equally, morally or otherwise. Most of the time, there is always a "good" side, and that's important to remember.I don't disagree. But that is not what it is about. You are simply saying it should be what it is about, which isn't how art works. --- Currently playing: Cyberpunk 2077 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Heavy_D_Forever 04/14/24 12:55:19 PM #32: |
GrandConjuraton posted...
Most of the time, there is always a "good" side, and that's important to remember.The problem is you are acting like this movie is real life. It's not a documentary. It's a popcorn flick with actors playing fake characters about a fake war. There doesn't have to be a good side or a bad side. Just enjoy the movie for what it is and stop trying to change it to be something it doesn't want to be. --- E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bsp77 04/14/24 1:04:56 PM #33: |
I think the below is an important part based on what I took away.
bsp77 posted... apathy, disenchantment, and desensitization are at the heart of the film, while also having the desire to actually see and know everything. Let's stare at the deadly car crash, but detach ourselves from actually caring. I feel that the movie could potentially make more people care and want to get involved. Now the movie doesn't tell you which side to get involved with, but recent US history shows that more voters means more democrat votes. That is why there are all these programs to get young people to vote. You don't need to advocate a side, it will push it more liberal. The majority of the US is pro choice, the majority of the US is pro gay marriage. Yet many of those who are the most disenchanted and don't vote are moderate or even politically on the left. This movie could do some good, more so than if they just beat you over the head with "Republicans bad". --- Currently playing: Cyberpunk 2077 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheLiarParadox 04/14/24 1:48:57 PM #34: |
Just finished it. It's a visually well-executed film and the acting was great. That's about all I'm going to say about it.
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ScazarMeltex 04/14/24 3:55:24 PM #35: |
TheMikh posted...
haven't seen it yet, but despite the film's purported lack of plausibility or worldbuilding, that's precisely how civil wars tend to beYeah, people always want to look at civil wars through the lens of the American war. 2 sides, one a clearly bad slaver's revolt. Most civil wars look very different. Especially when preceded by a collapse of the central governing authority's power. The Chinese Warlord period of 1916 1928 is a perfect example. Or the Civil Wars in Africa of the last 50 years. Or the ongoing Syrian civil war. --- Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed ... Copied to Clipboard!
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billcom6 04/14/24 10:39:01 PM #36: |
It is funny to see people who haven't seen the movie criticize it for how it portrays certain things when they have no idea.
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UAZaqwert 04/14/24 11:16:57 PM #37: |
SHRlKE posted... at no point did I know who was who or who was the good guys / bad guys That may be the point though. In every conflict ever fought, all sides consider themselves the good guys. Reality is way more complex than what the winners ultimately write in the history books. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gna647 04/15/24 6:13:10 PM #38: |
The movie is going to go down in history as a controversial classic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CSCA33 04/16/24 6:30:20 PM #39: |
GrandConjuraton posted...
Wars center on politics of some kind, whether it be as simple as expanding your territory for arbitrary reasons, expanding a religion, or something like quelling certain ideas or people, or even for liberation purposes. To portray a war where nothing is given any context at all does seem to have a political agenda of its own because reasons for conflict or disagreement DO matter; not all sides are created equally, morally or otherwise. Most of the time, there is always a "good" side, and that's important to remember.So, if you get the opportunity, I would recommend seeing this film in theater. Without getting into spoilers there are users here responding to you in ways that are somewhat misleading, IMO. This film has a very powerful message that is anti-fascist at its core (among other things.) It doesnt play the line of both sides or anything, and while there is space intentionally left open for interpretation and discussion, in no way is it open to interpretation in such a way as to be pro Republican or pro Trump. It lays just enough groundwork to keep your footing while allowing you breathing room to explore and absorb the film without distractions. At no point did I feel confusion about what was happening, or like the plot was lost. On the contrary, it is very basic and straightforward, intentionally so, like planting the seed that allows for manifestation of complexity naturally and not forced. Good film, couldve been better, but its got great roots and legs with a powerful message. --- [click here] pronouns incoming SHE HAS PRONOUNS!>(She/Her)<CHECK OUT my PRONOUNS ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SuperExcitebike 04/16/24 6:31:12 PM #40: |
It was great. Also saw a Trump supporter throwing a tantrum after the movie about getting tricked and that was great!
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CSCA33 04/16/24 6:34:51 PM #41: |
For people who dont like trump, this film also plays into revenge fantasy a little bit. Its not kill bill levels but its definitely one of the aspects of the movie.
SuperExcitebike posted... It was great. Also saw a Trump supporter throwing a tantrum after the movie about getting tricked and that was great!Oh that sounds like a real treat, bonus feature --- [click here] pronouns incoming SHE HAS PRONOUNS!>(She/Her)<CHECK OUT my PRONOUNS ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kradek 04/17/24 12:01:51 AM #42: |
Saw this not long ago and I had some thoughts.
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Nade_Duck 04/17/24 12:02:46 AM #43: |
it would have been better with wolverine.
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Kradek 04/17/24 12:02:52 AM #44: |
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ClayGuida 04/17/24 12:57:29 AM #45: |
I thought it was okay. It was basically another Odyssey adventure.
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FortuneCookie 04/17/24 1:03:12 AM #46: |
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Ludacris01 04/17/24 1:07:52 AM #47: |
Definitely top 3 MCU by far.
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CSCA33 04/17/24 9:49:33 AM #48: |
Id probably rate it around 6.7 / 10
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Smashingpmkns 04/17/24 9:57:02 AM #49: |
I enjoyed it but the marketing was god awful for this movie. It's hard to blame the audience going into it thinking it's a political thriller cuz that's how the trailers painted it (coming out during an election year no less) when in reality its a road movie about war journalists with nothing really political to say. Which is fine, the story was good and the beats were good too. It just wasn't the movie I was expecting at all.
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