N: Complaints about Biden should be saved until after the election

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Kain_Highwind 04/12/24 8:37:10 PM #1:	Topic - Results (197 votes) Yes, no matter the complaints, they're not as important as beating Trump 15.23% (30 votes) 30 Its fair to criticize the President 82.23% (162 votes) 162 Biden is doing a good job and there's no real complaints 2.54% (5 votes) 5 What does CE think? --- http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9362/davidbowie.jpg David Bowie <cite>Kain_Highwind posted [p:979879036] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote> Topic - Results (197 votes) Yes, no matter the complaints, they're not as important as beating Trump 15.23% (30 votes) 30 Its fair to criticize the President 82.23% (162 votes) 162 Biden is doing a good job and there's no real complaints 2.54% (5 votes) 5 Show Voting Form What does CE think? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trumble 04/12/24 8:38:55 PM #2:	No, if nothing else because the threat of losing votes causing Biden to change his stance is the only realistic path for anything meaningful to change in the short term. Ideal realistic outcome is he plummets in popularity, he learns from it, he changes stance in the 8 months remaining before the election (plenty of time to do so and prove it), and goes on to win back the lost support and beat Trump. --- Do, or do not. There is no Trumble. <cite>Trumble posted [p:979879069] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>No, if nothing else because the threat of losing votes causing Biden to change his stance is the only realistic path for anything meaningful to change in the short term.Ideal realistic outcome is he plummets in popularity, he learns from it, he changes stance in the 8 months remaining before the election (plenty of time to do so and prove it), and goes on to win back the lost support and beat Trump. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 04/12/24 8:39:41 PM #3:	Trumble posted... You don't understand the American political system. We've already established that. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:979879074] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>Trumble posted... </cite><quote></quote>You don't understand the American political system.We've already established that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tanthalas 04/12/24 8:41:11 PM #4:	Of course its fair to criticize Biden. Whats stupid is when people ignore all the good things hes done and pretend hes a bad president. --- Sir Markham pointed out, drinking another brandy. "A chap who can point at you and say 'die' has the distinct advantage". <cite>Tanthalas posted [p:979879101] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>Of course its fair to criticize Biden.Whats stupid is when people ignore all the good things hes done and pretend hes a bad president. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssb_yunglink2 04/12/24 8:43:00 PM #5:	criticize all you want. When you say youre not voting for him or voting for some one else though, expect to get shit for it, especially if you claim to care about certain current events. --- Hee Ho <cite>ssb_yunglink2 posted [p:979879143] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>criticize all you want. When you say youre not voting for him or voting for some one else though, expect to get shit for it, especially if you claim to care about certain current events. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ItsNotA2Mer 04/12/24 8:45:02 PM #6:	Legit criticism should be expected. --- It is impossible to live in the past, difficult to live in the present, and a waste to live in the future. (He/Him). <cite>ItsNotA2Mer posted [p:979879189] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>Legit criticism should be expected. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cemith 04/12/24 8:45:52 PM #7:	All three of those poll options can apply at once. Firstly, yes, there is no possible future where Biden losing is good. None. Nada. If you think otherwise, you are a fucking idiot. Secondly, there's plenty to criticize him about. Namely Gaza and still pretending like bipartisanship is a remotely viable strategy with fascists. Thirdly, he has done legitimate good. Cancelled student loans and the infrastructure bill have themselves done more for the common citizen than any about of rich tax breaks they got from Trump. Lastly, if someone is paying lip service to the right by criticizing Biden but completely ignoring the Trumpism reality, they are idiots. --- https://i.ibb.co/2vRbyC0/Rosa-6.png "Friends don't let friends watch The Big Bang Theory" - mogar002 <cite>Cemith posted [p:979879213] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>All three of those poll options can apply at once. Firstly, yes, there is no possible future where Biden losing is good. None. Nada. If you think otherwise, you are a fucking idiot. Secondly, there's plenty to criticize him about. Namely Gaza and still pretending like bipartisanship is a remotely viable strategy with fascists. Thirdly, he has done legitimate good. Cancelled student loans and the infrastructure bill have themselves done more for the common citizen than any about of rich tax breaks they got from Trump. Lastly, if someone is paying lip service to the right by criticizing Biden but completely ignoring the Trumpism reality, they are idiots. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 04/12/24 8:46:09 PM #8:	Criticism is fair and bootlickers can fuck off. --- https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561198052113750 <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:979879228] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>Criticism is fair and bootlickers can fuck off. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ForsakenHermit 04/12/24 8:48:19 PM #9:	Criticize all you want but if you won't vote for him in November then you're my enemy. --- Beware the fanatic! Too often his cure is deadlier by far than the evil he denounces!-Stan Lee RIP Make Arcades Great Again! <cite>ForsakenHermit posted [p:979879276] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>Criticize all you want but if you won't vote for him in November then you're my enemy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
archizzy 04/12/24 8:50:44 PM #10:	I'm actually surprised there wasn't more attention on The Daily Show this last Monday with Jon Stewart's criticism of how things are being handled in Gaza. People were hardcore whining on his first episode back when they felt he was "both sidesing" issues. I thought they would really lose their shit when he was blatantly just criticizing the White House. --- PSN ID: sled_dogs76 60" Pioneer Kuro Elite PRO151FD, Yamaha RX-V3900 A/V Receiver, Oppo DV983-H player. Coming soon: 2 Seaton Submersives from Mark Seaton <cite>archizzy posted [p:979879319] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>I'm actually surprised there wasn't more attention on The Daily Show this last Monday with Jon Stewart's criticism of how things are being handled in Gaza. People were hardcore whining on his first episode back when they felt he was "both sidesing" issues. I thought they would really lose their shit when he was blatantly just criticizing the White House. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheLiarParadox 04/12/24 8:56:15 PM #11:	No. Criticism is an important part of the harm reduction vote. --- Spongebob is not a contraceptive. <cite>TheLiarParadox posted [p:979879436] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>No. Criticism is an important part of the harm reduction vote. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SydnieStarlight 04/12/24 9:29:08 PM #12:	Yes, and this is as good an excuse as any for me to put my reasoning behind that to text. So here's the thing. With the way voting currently works in America, there are two viable candidates: the democrat nominee and the republican nominee. We can fantasize about a third party contender and we can bemoan the broken system, but we cannot vote for someone other than those two choices and have that vote matter. Yes, it's messed up. Yes, it should be fixed. No, we can't afford to worry about that right now. See, complaining about the faults of a candidate can only ever really achieve one thing: to convince people to not vote for that candidate. And in a system where only two options are viable, reducing the votes for one of them is exclusively of benefit to the other. I'm gonna repeat that to make sure anyone reading this post understands: when you make a point to draw attention to a candidate's faults, the only thing you can possibly achieve, barring reverse psychology, is to assist that candidate's opponent. Under ordinary circumstances, this wouldn't be a big deal. In fact, criticism is supposed to be for the better, to compel leaders to improve. But these are not ordinary circumstances. America is in real danger of becoming a fascist state. Republicans regularly express that what they desire for America is a model pulled straight out of Nazi Germany. Their leader has explicitly stated his desire to discard the democratic process so he can assume total and permanent control. It's no exaggeration to say that Donald Trump is an active and catastrophic threat to America and the world as a whole. When you put all this together, it should be easy to see where I'm going. As it stands, taking the time right now to complain about Biden is to court a genuine apocalypse scenario. It's okay to feel that Biden isn't perfect. It's okay to wish for more from him. But for the time being, keep it to yourself. Because the alternative would be dramatically worse in every measurable regard and he'd just love it if you would convince more people to not vote for the only person who has a chance of stopping him. --- Master Duel (373-244-752) \| FGO (960,463,298) Let's be friends~ <cite>SydnieStarlight posted [p:979879972] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>Yes, and this is as good an excuse as any for me to put my reasoning behind that to text.So here's the thing. With the way voting currently works in America, there are two viable candidates: the democrat nominee and the republican nominee. We can fantasize about a third party contender and we can bemoan the broken system, but we cannot vote for someone other than those two choices and have that vote matter. Yes, it's messed up. Yes, it should be fixed. No, we can't afford to worry about that right now.See, complaining about the faults of a candidate can only ever really achieve one thing: to convince people to not vote for that candidate. And in a system where only two options are viable, reducing the votes for one of them is exclusively of benefit to the other. I'm gonna repeat that to make sure anyone reading this post understands: when you make a point to draw attention to a candidate's faults, the only thing you can possibly achieve, barring reverse psychology, is to assist that candidate's opponent.Under ordinary circumstances, this wouldn't be a big deal. In fact, criticism is supposed to be for the better, to compel leaders to improve. But these are not ordinary circumstances. America is in real danger of becoming a fascist state. Republicans regularly express that what they desire for America is a model pulled straight out of Nazi Germany. Their leader has explicitly stated his desire to discard the democratic process so he can assume total and permanent control. It's no exaggeration to say that Donald Trump is an active and catastrophic threat to America and the world as a whole.When you put all this together, it should be easy to see where I'm going. As it stands, taking the time right now to complain about Biden is to court a genuine apocalypse scenario. It's okay to feel that Biden isn't perfect. It's okay to wish for more from him. But for the time being, keep it to yourself. Because the alternative would be dramatically worse in every measurable regard and he'd just love it if you would convince more people to not vote for the only person who has a chance of stopping him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pazzy 04/12/24 9:31:19 PM #14:	No. They shouldn't. No one should be immune from criticism. It's specifically not criticizing people and the lack of critical thinking that has us in this mess now. <cite>pazzy posted [p:979880007] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>No. They shouldn't. No one should be immune from criticism. It's specifically not criticizing people and the lack of critical thinking that has us in this mess now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 04/12/24 10:01:52 PM #15:	Criticism is perfectly fine. The people going "Well I just won't vote" however are actually saying "I'm fine if Trump wins and all the problems that come with it". Don't claim to hate genocide and then say you want to risk a Trump victory in the same breath. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) <cite>Umbreon posted [p:979880503] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>Criticism is perfectly fine. The people going "Well I just won't vote" however are actually saying "I'm fine if Trump wins and all the problems that come with it".Don't claim to hate genocide and then say you want to risk a Trump victory in the same breath. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cheetaluv 04/13/24 7:58:31 AM #17:	PraetorXyn posted... Criticism is fair and bootlickers can fuck off. --- Having an opinion is a declaration of war <cite>Cheetaluv posted [p:979884784] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Criticism is fair and bootlickers can fuck off.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnsteadyOwl 04/13/24 8:05:57 AM #18:	Criticism is fine, election year or not. I don't agree with everything Biden does. I also don't believe in only speaking up when you have criticisms of a politician, but also giving them credit for what they get right. I like a lot of the things Biden has done and I've said as much. I also will be voting for Biden in November. He's not my ideal president but he's a good president and far better than the alternative. --- "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." <cite>UnsteadyOwl posted [p:979884826] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>Criticism is fine, election year or not. I don't agree with everything Biden does.I also don't believe in only speaking up when you have criticisms of a politician, but also giving them credit for what they get right. I like a lot of the things Biden has done and I've said as much.I also will be voting for Biden in November. He's not my ideal president but he's a good president and far better than the alternative. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
reincarnator07 04/13/24 8:14:02 AM #19:	Absolutely not, no one is above criticism. On top of that, things like his handling of Gaza are causing massive drops in support and need to be addressed now. The issue is that many criticisms just aren't made in good faith. Specifically, you can't honestly blame Biden for things that Congress or SCOTUS are/n't doing --- Fan of metal? Don't mind covers? Check out my youtube and give me some feedback http://www.youtube.com/sircaballero <cite>reincarnator07 posted [p:979884893] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>Absolutely not, no one is above criticism. On top of that, things like his handling of Gaza are causing massive drops in support and need to be addressed now.The issue is that many criticisms just aren't made in good faith. Specifically, you can't honestly blame Biden for things that Congress or SCOTUS are/n't doing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMojoRising 04/13/24 8:27:07 AM #20:	Some people in America really just want to be ruled. --- https://myanimelist.net/profile/MistrMojoRisin <cite>MrMojoRising posted [p:979884998] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>Some people in America really just want to be ruled. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssb_yunglink2 04/13/24 9:54:57 AM #21:	MrMojoRising posted... Some people in America really just want to be ruled. shut the fuck up --- Hee Ho <cite>ssb_yunglink2 posted [p:979885785] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>MrMojoRising posted... </cite><quote>Some people in America really just want to be ruled.</quote>shut the fuck up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybabe89 04/13/24 9:56:08 AM #22:	Complain and still vote --- https://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png she/her <cite>hockeybabe89 posted [p:979885792] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>Complain and still vote </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybabe89 04/13/24 9:56:52 AM #23:	MrMojoRising posted... Some people in America really just want to be ruled. Don't you have millions of LGBTQ people to guarantee doom to? --- https://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png she/her <cite>hockeybabe89 posted [p:979885806] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>MrMojoRising posted... </cite><quote>Some people in America really just want to be ruled.</quote>Don't you have millions of LGBTQ people to guarantee doom to? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMojoRising 04/13/24 10:42:22 AM #24:	hockeybabe89 posted... Don't you have millions of LGBTQ people to guarantee doom to? Queer people have survived far worse than Trump. We don't need to be complicit in a genocidal government who couldn't give two shits about us. --- https://myanimelist.net/profile/MistrMojoRisin <cite>MrMojoRising posted [p:979886304] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>hockeybabe89 posted... </cite><quote>Don't you have millions of LGBTQ people to guarantee doom to?</quote>Queer people have survived far worse than Trump. We don't need to be complicit in a genocidal government who couldn't give two shits about us. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ItsNotA2Mer 04/13/24 10:43:26 AM #25:	MrMojoRising posted... Queer people have survived far worse than Trump. We don't need to be complicit in a genocidal government who couldn't give two shits about us. Your completely sincere concern has been noted. Shut the fuck up. --- It is impossible to live in the past, difficult to live in the present, and a waste to live in the future. (He/Him). <cite>ItsNotA2Mer posted [p:979886317] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>MrMojoRising posted... </cite><quote>Queer people have survived far worse than Trump. We don't need to be complicit in a genocidal government who couldn't give two shits about us.</quote>Your completely sincere concern has been noted. Shut the fuck up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bfslick50 04/13/24 10:47:47 AM #26:	MrMojoRising posted... Queer people have survived far worse than Trump. So because it won't be the literal worst moment in history then it's fine? You really don't give a shit about queer people. --- "Something's wrong! Murder isn't working and that's all we're good at." ~Futurama <cite>bfslick50 posted [p:979886364] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>MrMojoRising posted... </cite><quote>Queer people have survived far worse than Trump.</quote>So because it won't be the literal worst moment in history then it's fine? You really don't give a shit about queer people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/13/24 10:50:56 AM #27:	I think it's fine to criticize the president, personally. --- Please don't be weird in my topics <cite>Antifar posted [p:979886395] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>I think it's fine to criticize the president, personally. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rosstin316 04/13/24 10:53:16 AM #28:	If politics are just sports teams and we do the same bullshit they do just so our guys win then I no longer give a fuck about politics. Yes im voting for Biden and yes we should fucking absolutely openly and publicly criticize Biden when its appropriate, as we should all elected officials. --- [This signature is viewable with an active GameFAQs Gold subscription.] <cite>Rosstin316 posted [p:979886418] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>If politics are just sports teams and we do the same bullshit they do just so our guys win then I no longer give a fuck about politics.Yes im voting for Biden and yes we should fucking absolutely openly and publicly criticize Biden when its appropriate, as we should all elected officials. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
loafy013 04/13/24 10:56:06 AM #29:	MrMojoRising posted... Queer people have survived far worse than Trump. We don't need to be complicit in a genocidal government who couldn't give two shits about us. So, have you ever given us the name of this super candidate who will win the electoral vote? Because right now, the two viable choices are the guy complicit in genocide abroad and the guy who wants an even worse genocide abroad and at home. --- The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact. Everything else, is theory. <cite>loafy013 posted [p:979886442] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>MrMojoRising posted... </cite><quote>Queer people have survived far worse than Trump. We don't need to be complicit in a genocidal government who couldn't give two shits about us.</quote>So, have you ever given us the name of this super candidate who will win the electoral vote? Because right now, the two viable choices are the guy complicit in genocide abroad and the guy who wants an even worse genocide abroad and at home. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 04/13/24 11:00:28 AM #30:	No one should ever be above criticism. Being able to openly critique elected (and non elected...) officials is one of the things our ancient ass constitution actually does right. But when it comes down to actually voting in November, well...we have 2 options, and one of them is going to be president. Throwing away your vote in protest tells me you're more interested in virtue signaling than you are in coming up with pragmatic solutions --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:979886477] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>No one should ever be above criticism. Being able to openly critique elected (and non elected...) officials is one of the things our ancient ass constitution actually does right.But when it comes down to actually voting in November, well...we have 2 options, and one of them is going to be president. Throwing away your vote in protest tells me you're more interested in virtue signaling than you are in coming up with pragmatic solutions </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMojoRising 04/13/24 11:11:20 AM #31:	You can support a candidate who enables genocide all you want, but I'm definitely going to speak out when people try to do it in the name of queer people. Most people who obsess about voting for Biden and chastise others for not doing so aren't active in their community or work to make their lives or the lives of their queer neighbors better. The type of person who does nothing but vote every 2-4 years and whine online is not really anyone who's opinions I need to be concerned about. --- https://myanimelist.net/profile/MistrMojoRisin <cite>MrMojoRising posted [p:979886586] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>You can support a candidate who enables genocide all you want, but I'm definitely going to speak out when people try to do it in the name of queer people. Most people who obsess about voting for Biden and chastise others for not doing so aren't active in their community or work to make their lives or the lives of their queer neighbors better. The type of person who does nothing but vote every 2-4 years and whine online is not really anyone who's opinions I need to be concerned about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssb_yunglink2 04/13/24 11:22:22 AM #32:	MrMojoRising posted... You can support a candidate who enables genocide all you want, but I'm definitely going to speak out when people try to do it in the name of queer people. Most people who obsess about voting for Biden and chastise others for not doing so aren't active in their community or work to make their lives or the lives of their queer neighbors better. The type of person who does nothing but vote every 2-4 years and whine online is not really anyone who's opinions I need to be concerned about. Trump will quite literally attempt to take rights away from LGBT people. Its fucking publicly outlined in project 2025. Id get modded for saying what I think of you, so im just gonna say that nobody cares what youre concerned about. If youre so unconcerned about our opinions, get the fuck out of here. --- Hee Ho <cite>ssb_yunglink2 posted [p:979886729] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>MrMojoRising posted... </cite><quote>You can support a candidate who enables genocide all you want, but I'm definitely going to speak out when people try to do it in the name of queer people. Most people who obsess about voting for Biden and chastise others for not doing so aren't active in their community or work to make their lives or the lives of their queer neighbors better. The type of person who does nothing but vote every 2-4 years and whine online is not really anyone who's opinions I need to be concerned about.</quote>Trump will quite literally attempt to take rights away from LGBT people. Its fucking publicly outlined in project 2025. Id get modded for saying what I think of you, so im just gonna say that nobody cares what youre concerned about. If youre so unconcerned about our opinions, get the fuck out of here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rexdragon125 04/13/24 11:22:35 AM #33:	I'm starting to think "but Palestine!" is just a conservative dogwhistle. They don't actually give a shit about genocide. The other guy will make things even worse for Palestine and US, and he has detailed his plans as such. <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:979886730] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>I'm starting to think "but Palestine!" is just a conservative dogwhistle. They don't actually give a shit about genocide. The other guy will make things even worse for Palestine and US, and he has detailed his plans as such.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ItsNotA2Mer 04/13/24 11:23:39 AM #34:	MrMojoRising posted... is not really anyone who's opinions I need to be concerned about. And you're a known concern troll, so it's pretty hilarious when you use that word. --- It is impossible to live in the past, difficult to live in the present, and a waste to live in the future. (He/Him). <cite>ItsNotA2Mer posted [p:979886749] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>MrMojoRising posted... </cite><quote>is not really anyone who's opinions I need to be concerned about.</quote>And you're a known concern troll, so it's pretty hilarious when you use that word. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranAures 04/13/24 11:24:57 AM #35:	Gwynevere posted... Throwing away your vote in protest tells me you're more interested in virtue signaling than you are in coming up with pragmatic solutions Bingo. And when the worst case scenario happens they'll be ever so fast to say they didn't vote for it when they also didn't do what would most prevent it. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. He/They <cite>GranAures posted [p:979886764] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite><quote>Throwing away your vote in protest tells me you're more interested in virtue signaling than you are in coming up with pragmatic solutions</quote>Bingo. And when the worst case scenario happens they'll be ever so fast to say they didn't vote for it when they also didn't do what would most prevent it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranAures 04/13/24 11:26:23 AM #36:	Rexdragon125 posted... I'm starting to think "but Palestine!" is just a conservative dogwhistle. They don't actually give a shit about genocide. The other guy will make things even worse for Palestine and US, and he has detailed his plans as such. That's a sacrifice they're willing to have Palestinians take for their "morals." And as to the topic. Criticism is fine, as others have said it's the "you shouldn't/I'm not vote(ing) for the person with the best chance of success" that outs folks. The system is shit, abstaining ain't fixing any of it. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. He/They <cite>GranAures posted [p:979886778] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>Rexdragon125 posted... </cite><quote>I'm starting to think "but Palestine!" is just a conservative dogwhistle. They don't actually give a shit about genocide. The other guy will make things even worse for Palestine and US, and he has detailed his plans as such.</quote>That's a sacrifice they're willing to have Palestinians take for their "morals."And as to the topic. Criticism is fine, as others have said it's the "you shouldn't/I'm not vote(ing) for the person with the best chance of success" that outs folks. The system is shit, abstaining ain't fixing any of it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cemith 04/13/24 11:30:23 AM #37:	MrMojoRising posted... I need to be concerned about. I'm glad CE as a board has stopped humoring your concern trolling and has just moved on to telling you to - ssb_yunglink2 posted... shut the fuck up Speaking of which ssb_yunglink2 posted... shut the fuck up --- https://i.ibb.co/2vRbyC0/Rosa-6.png "Friends don't let friends watch The Big Bang Theory" - mogar002 <cite>Cemith posted [p:979886814] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>MrMojoRising posted... </cite><quote>I need to be concerned about.</quote>I'm glad CE as a board has stopped humoring your concern trolling and has just moved on to telling you to -ssb_yunglink2 posted... </cite><quote>shut the fuck up</quote>Speaking of whichssb_yunglink2 posted... </cite><quote>shut the fuck up</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iodine 04/13/24 11:34:00 AM #38:	Biden's defense of Israel is deranged and stupid. --- In Belichick we Trust <cite>Iodine posted [p:979886840] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>Biden's defense of Israel is deranged and stupid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 04/13/24 11:37:54 AM #39:	Tanthalas posted... Of course its fair to criticize Biden. Whats stupid is when people ignore all the good things hes done and pretend hes a bad president. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:979886880] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>Tanthalas posted... </cite><quote>Of course its fair to criticize Biden.Whats stupid is when people ignore all the good things hes done and pretend hes a bad president.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 04/13/24 11:41:37 AM #40:	I fundamentally reject this idea that we can't criticize the President and have to vote for him regardless of what he does because the other guy is worse. At that point, in what sense do we have a democracy? You've given up on the idea of improvement, of influencing your leaders, of choosing your leaders, you're committed to not even suggesting they do better so as not to scare off others who recognize they're doing something horrible, so what's left at that point? You'll just vote for whatever slop is presented to you and call that maturity, even as they commit evil in your name and your life deteriorates without you putting up a fight? That's an incredibly unpopular position, none of you seem to get that. That's not what most people who participate in politics think it is. If most people thought that's what it was, they would completely check out and we'd have fascism at the next opportunity. You're not being a freedom fighter by spreading that view and condescending to others for not adopting it. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:979886916] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>I fundamentally reject this idea that we can't criticize the President and have to vote for him regardless of what he does because the other guy is worse. At that point, in what sense do we have a democracy? You've given up on the idea of improvement, of influencing your leaders, of choosing your leaders, you're committed to not even suggesting they do better so as not to scare off others who recognize they're doing something horrible, so what's left at that point? You'll just vote for whatever slop is presented to you and call that maturity, even as they commit evil in your name and your life deteriorates without you putting up a fight? That's an incredibly unpopular position, none of you seem to get that. That's not what most people who participate in politics think it is. If most people thought that's what it was, they would completely check out and we'd have fascism at the next opportunity. You're not being a freedom fighter by spreading that view and condescending to others for not adopting it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningThief 04/13/24 11:44:13 AM #41:	Criticism is aok. I don't think most are saying criticism is bad. The ignorant ones who take it a step further thinking they have leverage, and spreading the great Republican word to abstain from voting however, are useful unwilling idiots for the Republican party. Ignorant people who don't understand how politics works, don't understand the leverage they think they have does more harm to themselves. Lastly, this is the same group that likely stayed home in 2016, but outraged about Roe v Wade and Affirmative Action. Not even grasping their big brained move contributed to those things going backwards. The abstain from voting types are virtue signalling at best given these are the same people who deliberately ignore reality to wag their fingers, but tap dance around their own actions contributed to shit getting worse. Like it or not, there's only 2 options, one of those 2 options will in fact win, elections have consequences, and one of those 2 is far worse than the other. Far worse to the supposed causes you claim to care about. <cite>LightningThief posted [p:979886938] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>Criticism is aok. I don't think most are saying criticism is bad.The ignorant ones who take it a step further thinking they have leverage, and spreading the great Republican word to abstain from voting however, are useful unwilling idiots for the Republican party. Ignorant people who don't understand how politics works, don't understand the leverage they think they have does more harm to themselves. Lastly, this is the same group that likely stayed home in 2016, but outraged about Roe v Wade and Affirmative Action. Not even grasping their big brained move contributed to those things going backwards. The abstain from voting types are virtue signalling at best given these are the same people who deliberately ignore reality to wag their fingers, but tap dance around their own actions contributed to shit getting worse.Like it or not, there's only 2 options, one of those 2 options will in fact win, elections have consequences, and one of those 2 is far worse than the other. Far worse to the supposed causes you claim to care about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 04/13/24 11:48:33 AM #42:	MrMojoRising posted... I'm definitely going to speak out when people try to do it in the name of queer people. https://youtu.be/own4uqEQBXM?si=jhylcOTHGoNgCczg --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:979886998] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>MrMojoRising posted... </cite><quote>I'm definitely going to speak out when people try to do it in the name of queer people.</quote>https://youtu.be/own4uqEQBXM?si=jhylcOTHGoNgCczg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssb_yunglink2 04/13/24 11:49:40 AM #43:	legendary_zell posted... I fundamentally reject this idea that we can't criticize the President and have to vote for him regardless of what he does because the other guy is worse. At that point, in what sense do we have a democracy? You've given up on the idea of improvement, of influencing your leaders, of choosing your leaders, you're committed to not even suggesting they do better so as not to scare off others who recognize they're doing something horrible, so what's left at that point? You'll just vote for whatever slop is presented to you and call that maturity, even as they commit evil in your name and your life deteriorates without you putting up a fight? That's an incredibly unpopular position, none of you seem to get that. That's not what most people who participate in politics think it is. If most people thought that's what it was, they would completely check out and we'd have fascism at the next opportunity. You're not being a freedom fighter by spreading that view and condescending to others for not adopting it. This election is literally a binary choice of: My life and this country stay the same if not slightly improve, and Biden will hopefully adjust his stance on Israel. or My life, my loved ones lives, this country, and most certainly foreign countries will get drastically worse, and Trump will absolutely increase aggression towards palestine. So yes, its a mature decision to vote for the less bad candidate. --- Hee Ho <cite>ssb_yunglink2 posted [p:979887014] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted... </cite><quote>I fundamentally reject this idea that we can't criticize the President and have to vote for him regardless of what he does because the other guy is worse. At that point, in what sense do we have a democracy? You've given up on the idea of improvement, of influencing your leaders, of choosing your leaders, you're committed to not even suggesting they do better so as not to scare off others who recognize they're doing something horrible, so what's left at that point? You'll just vote for whatever slop is presented to you and call that maturity, even as they commit evil in your name and your life deteriorates without you putting up a fight? That's an incredibly unpopular position, none of you seem to get that. That's not what most people who participate in politics think it is. If most people thought that's what it was, they would completely check out and we'd have fascism at the next opportunity. You're not being a freedom fighter by spreading that view and condescending to others for not adopting it.</quote>This election is literally a binary choice of:My life and this country stay the same if not slightly improve, and Biden will hopefully adjust his stance on Israel. or My life, my loved ones lives, this country, and most certainly foreign countries will get drastically worse, and Trump will absolutely increase aggression towards palestine. So yes, its a mature decision to vote for the less bad candidate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gwynevere 04/13/24 12:01:02 PM #45:	legendary_zell posted... You'll just vote for whatever slop is presented to you and call that maturity, even as they commit evil in your name and your life deteriorates without you putting up a fight? What fight are you putting up? Whenever Republicans take the national stage and really get free reign to do whatever they want, are you going to risk your physical well being to get HRT to trans adults and kids when it gets outlawed? Are you going to step between the cops and a woman being arrested for getting an abortion? How about smuggling birth control when that gets axed? How far are you willing to go? --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:979887162] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted... </cite><quote>You'll just vote for whatever slop is presented to you and call that maturity, even as they commit evil in your name and your life deteriorates without you putting up a fight?</quote>What fight are you putting up? Whenever Republicans take the national stage and really get free reign to do whatever they want, are you going to risk your physical well being to get HRT to trans adults and kids when it gets outlawed? Are you going to step between the cops and a woman being arrested for getting an abortion? How about smuggling birth control when that gets axed? How far are you willing to go? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheLiarParadox 04/13/24 12:02:50 PM #46:	Gwynevere posted... How far are you willing to go? #fedposting --- Spongebob is not a contraceptive. <cite>TheLiarParadox posted [p:979887174] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite><quote>How far are you willing to go?</quote>#fedposting </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 04/13/24 12:09:35 PM #47:	ssb_yunglink2 posted... This election is literally a binary choice of: My life and this country stay the same if not slightly improve, and Biden will hopefully adjust his stance on Israel. or My life, my loved ones lives, this country, and most certainly foreign countries will get drastically worse, and Trump will absolutely increase aggression towards palestine. So yes, its a mature decision to vote for the less bad candidate. Sir, this is America! --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:979887245] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>ssb_yunglink2 posted... </cite><quote>This election is literally a binary choice of:My life and this country stay the same if not slightly improve, and Biden will hopefully adjust his stance on Israel. or My life, my loved ones lives, this country, and most certainly foreign countries will get drastically worse, and Trump will absolutely increase aggression towards palestine. So yes, its a mature decision to vote for the less bad candidate.</quote>Sir, this is America! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssb_yunglink2 04/13/24 12:13:57 PM #48:	Foppe posted... Sir, this is America! uh yeah? --- Hee Ho <cite>ssb_yunglink2 posted [p:979887300] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>Foppe posted... </cite><quote>Sir, this is America!</quote>uh yeah? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 04/13/24 12:15:39 PM #49:	Gwynevere posted... What fight are you putting up? Whenever Republicans take the national stage and really get free reign to do whatever they want, are you going to risk your physical well being to get HRT to trans adults and kids when it gets outlawed? Are you going to step between the cops and a woman being arrested for getting an abortion? How about smuggling birth control when that gets axed? How far are you willing to go? I'd prefer to stop that from happening by stopping Biden from walking off a cliff and getting him to do the right thing. I'm doing what I can to expand and protect people's rights within the system and I've done a lot. But if Biden doesn't shape up and things go off the rails, yes, I'll do what I have to do within or outside the system. Refusing to ask your candidates to do better and allowing them to do horrible things is not the path to salvation. That itself creates the hopelessness, desperation, and "same thing both sides" energy that allows fascism to thrive and win. The only path away from that is to drive politics in an actually positive direction. Not just " better than the other guy, while still awful." And you can't do that when the only qualification you have is for a candidate to be better than a Republican. That allows both Republicans and Democrats to be as awful as they want with no consequence. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:979887323] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite><quote>What fight are you putting up? Whenever Republicans take the national stage and really get free reign to do whatever they want, are you going to risk your physical well being to get HRT to trans adults and kids when it gets outlawed? Are you going to step between the cops and a woman being arrested for getting an abortion? How about smuggling birth control when that gets axed? How far are you willing to go?</quote>I'd prefer to stop that from happening by stopping Biden from walking off a cliff and getting him to do the right thing. I'm doing what I can to expand and protect people's rights within the system and I've done a lot. But if Biden doesn't shape up and things go off the rails, yes, I'll do what I have to do within or outside the system. Refusing to ask your candidates to do better and allowing them to do horrible things is not the path to salvation. That itself creates the hopelessness, desperation, and "same thing both sides" energy that allows fascism to thrive and win. The only path away from that is to drive politics in an actually positive direction. Not just " better than the other guy, while still awful." And you can't do that when the only qualification you have is for a candidate to be better than a Republican. That allows both Republicans and Democrats to be as awful as they want with no consequence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 04/13/24 12:17:52 PM #50:	ssb_yunglink2 posted... This election is literally a binary choice of: My life and this country stay the same if not slightly improve, and Biden will hopefully adjust his stance on Israel. or My life, my loved ones lives, this country, and most certainly foreign countries will get drastically worse, and Trump will absolutely increase aggression towards palestine. So yes, its a mature decision to vote for the less bad candidate. How is he going to adjust his stance if you stay silent about it AND hand him victory despite what he's doing with no muss or fuss? What's the theory of change there? I don't dispute that Trump would make it worse, but it seems like the reality is that what people are actually pushing is a slow death for Palestine while we all silently watch. Many people are not going to sign onto that. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:979887345] in Y/N: Compl... [t:80745659]...</cite> <quote>ssb_yunglink2 posted... </cite><quote>This election is literally a binary choice of:My life and this country stay the same if not slightly improve, and Biden will hopefully adjust his stance on Israel. or My life, my loved ones lives, this country, and most certainly foreign countries will get drastically worse, and Trump will absolutely increase aggression towards palestine. So yes, its a mature decision to vote for the less bad candidate.</quote>How is he going to adjust his stance if you stay silent about it AND hand him victory despite what he's doing with no muss or fuss? What's the theory of change there?I don't dispute that Trump would make it worse, but it seems like the reality is that what people are actually pushing is a slow death for Palestine while we all silently watch. Many people are not going to sign onto that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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