Current Events > Washington joins AL and OH in possibly keeping Biden off the ballot due to DNC

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wackyteen
04/12/24 10:34:35 AM
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/washington-latest-state-leave-biden-off-november-ballot/story?id=109088864

Washington state has just joined Ohio and Alabama in signifying through election officials that President Joe Biden could be left off their general election ballots due to conflicts between the dates of the Democratic National Committee's nominating convention and state ballot deadlines. The Evergreen state, though, appears to have already proposed a way for the Democrat to remain eligible.
On Thursday, the director of elections at the office of Washington's Secretary of State sent a letter -- obtained by ABC News -- to DNC Chair Jamie Harrison, warning that the deadline for ballot certification under state law falls on Aug. 20, the day after the DNC convenes in Chicago to nominate their presidential and vice presidential selections.
Stuart Holmes, the Director of Elections under Democratic Secretary Steve Hobbs, signaled that their office would make an exception for the party if they submit a provisional certification of nomination no later than Aug. 20, according to the letter.
This comes as Ohio and Alabama's Republican Secretaries of State over the past week have indicated they'd enforce similar state election codes in a way that experts have said is unprecedented and perhaps partisan in nature.
Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose and Alabama Secretary of State Wes Allen have alerted Democrats about comparable conflicts between their respective state's deadlines and the scheduling of the DNC convention in mid-August, cautioning that Biden's nomination in Chicago comes too late to get on their general election ballots.
In Ohio, LaRose flagged in a letter last week that the DNC's convention, set to begin on Aug. 19, would miss their Aug. 7 ballot certification deadline. In Alabama, Allen sent a letter to Democrats on Tuesday warning that their Aug. 15 cutoff would occur before the convention.
This scheduling conflict isn't a new obstacle -- a late August convention has occurred several times in past years for both parties -- but states have historically avoided banning major party candidates from their ballots by either easily granting provisional ballot access, the way Washington is suggesting, or working through their legislatures to allow certification extensions.
But now, the red-state officials, experts say, are uniquely leveraging the issue against Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris, the presumptive Democratic nominees, even as their predecessors made exceptions for former President Donald Trump and former Vice President Mike Pence to appear on their ballots when the when the RNC convention came too late for their certification.
"This has not been something anybody has ever dealt with. [The GOP Secretaries] just cooked it up. No, this has never happened before," Elaine Kamarck, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and a member of the Democratic National Committee, said.
Richard Winger, a ballot access expert and political analyst, agreed.
"These deadlines don't exist for partisan reasons. ... But it is kind of partisan this year," he told ABC News.
"You have to go all the way back to 1964 to find a state that kept a major party presidential candidate off the ballot, and that had nothing to do with deadlines. There's never ever since been a major party candidate who was off the ballot in any state," Winger added.
Do Democrats have a game plan to get Biden on the ballot?
Now, the Biden campaign, along with Democratic officials, are looking into ways to ensure the president will appear on the ballot in front of Ohio and Alabama voters.
In response to the news from Ohio and Alabama, Biden's reelection campaign has maintained that "Joe Biden will be on the ballot in all 50 states." They see this happening first by provisional certification (the process of formally notifying states before the convention that they expect Biden to be the nominee); second by changing the state's election filing deadlines through the state's GOP-controlled legislatures; third through litigation in court; and finally, by virtually nominating the Biden-Harris ticket ahead of their in-person convention.
Historically, in both Ohio and Alabama -- and across a handful of other states -- provisional ballot access certification has been granted to nominees of both major parties if they weren't able to square their convention dates with state election code certification deadlines.

Ahead of the 2020 general election, Oklahoma, Illinois, Washington and Montana accepted provisional certifications from the DNC and the Republican National Committee. Alabama also accepted a provisional certification from Republicans that year in order to make Trump and Pence qualify.
In 2020, the Alabama legislature moved their certification deadline for that election only to Aug. 20, 2020, but that was still ahead of the Republican convention's end a week later. The RNC then submitted a provisional certification, which was accepted by the state.
In Ohio, the Biden campaign has said they are in conversation with the Secretary's office about steps forward in terms of provisional certification.
In a letter received by the Ohio Secretary of State and reviewed by ABC News this week, Democratic Ohio-based lawyer Donald McTigue said the Democratic party would provisionally certify Biden and Harris by the state's Aug. 7 deadline and later confirm the results at the convention.
Ben Kindel, a spokesperson for LaRose's office, said their legal counsel was in the process of reviewing the letter.
In Alabama, attorney Barry Ragsdale, representing the Biden campaign, sent a letter -- obtained by ABC News -- to general counsel for the Alabama Secretary of State's office on Wednesday, saying the DNC could provisionally certify Biden and Harris as party nominees by the state's Aug. 15 deadline and then later confirm the results at the convention.
"This proposal avoids the constitutional problems that would arise if your office were to interpret Ala. Code 17-14-31(b)'s certification deadline to preclude President Biden and Vice President Harris from appearing on the Alabama general election ballot," Ragsdale wrote.
"It would allow the many Alabamians who support President Biden and Vice President Harris to exercise their fundamental constitutional right to meaningfully participate in the presidential election," he added.
In response to the letter, Allen said in a statement to ABC News that he would not provide "for 'provisional certifications' or any other exceptions."

There's more in the article but this website still can't handle more than 8000 characters.

I do wonder if they would keep Biden off the ballot. That could be a boost (not that he should need it in Washington but still)

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Serious_Cat
04/12/24 10:45:29 AM
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Easy fix is to just put the winner of the primary on the ballot and give the electoral votes to the party. You're electing electors rather than candidates anyway.

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Gritty
04/12/24 10:48:01 AM
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now Republicans are okay with this
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Were_Wyrm
04/12/24 10:50:26 AM
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Decades of one party or both not having an official candidate until after the cut off date and it wasn't an issue. I wonder what changed?

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TroutPaste
04/12/24 10:58:33 AM
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There would be riots if this happened in Ohio... it's a purple/swing state, the cities would not be happy with Trump 2024 being automatic. Too much is on the line: abortion rights, gay rights, wars overseas, election fraud

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TimeForAction
04/12/24 11:00:42 AM
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TroutPaste posted...
There would be riots if this happened in Ohio... it's a purple/swing state, the cities would not be happy with Trump 2024 being automatic. Too much is on the line: abortion rights, gay rights, wars overseas, election fraud

not to mention the Dems are defending a senate seat and need general election turnout

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tremain07
04/13/24 12:16:06 PM
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It's insane how open they are admitting that they don't want a democracy anymore because their ideals are so horrendous for anyone not a straight rich white male christian

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ClayGuida
04/13/24 12:18:21 PM
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How do you fuck this up? This is on whomever sets the dates for the DNC.

The RNC has no problem doing theirs a month ahead of any deadlines, and Dems keep fucking this up.

It's one thing to just say Alabama is a shithole, but it's another when you're fucking up on 3 different states.

Just hold the actual vote tallying a week prior, then use the DNC to celebrate it.

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tremain07
04/13/24 12:21:12 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
How do you fuck this up? This is on whomever sets the dates for the DNC.

The RNC has no problem doing theirs a month ahead of any deadlines, and Dems keep fucking this up.

It's one thing to just say Alabama is a shithole, but it's another when you're fucking up on 3 different states.

Just hold the actual vote tallying a week prior, then use the DNC to celebrate it.
The short answer is because DNC leadership are conservatives too just a little less extreme, still fucking love money tho

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Humble_Novice
04/13/24 12:23:38 PM
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I have no doubts that the DNC will find a way to fix this issue. Too much is at stake here after all.

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Flaming_Fire619
04/13/24 12:31:39 PM
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TroutPaste posted...
There would be riots if this happened in Ohio... it's a purple/swing state, the cities would not be happy with Trump 2024 being automatic. Too much is on the line: abortion rights, gay rights, wars overseas, election fraud

I'm sorry, but as someone who lives here. No. It is not a swing state any more. Obama was an outlier and it has gone further and further right as things have gone on. The only Democrat that I think is even electable in the state now is Sherrod Brown. Once he retires I doubt we will see a Dem win here again.

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Kradek
04/13/24 3:25:29 PM
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I wouldn't realistically expect either AL or OH to go for Biden, however he needs WA to get to 270.

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RetuenOfDevsman
04/13/24 3:26:33 PM
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It's literally the only way Republicans can win, and they know it.

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YellowSUV
04/13/24 3:29:30 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
How do you fuck this up? This is on whomever sets the dates for the DNC.

The RNC has no problem doing theirs a month ahead of any deadlines, and Dems keep fucking this up.

It's one thing to just say Alabama is a shithole, but it's another when you're fucking up on 3 different states.

Just hold the actual vote tallying a week prior, then use the DNC to celebrate it.

Both parties in the past decades have had late conventions, but that didn't matter because these laws were never enforced anyway. Republicans are now trying to do anything to win elections.

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