Current Events > California Fast-Food Workers Will Get $20 Minimum Wage, Starting Monday

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TerraSeeker posted...

Of course, they have a $20 minimum wage. California is ridiculous expensive for everyone except the uber rich.

So like... why is this a problem NOW when people have been saying Cali is ridiculously expensive for fucking yonks before the $20 minimum wage?

WingsOfGood posted...

1. Do you believe Biden is raising food prices?
2. If you do, how does he do that?

seriously answer both and you might have a path to not being far right

No.
A barrage of baseless, widespread lies is a keystone of the far right playbook. A sort of hydra effect (pun intended, Hydra is a neo-Nazi organization) where when a conspiracy theory is shot down, more take its place.

mistymermaid posted...

No.
A barrage of baseless, widespread lies is a keystone of the far right playbook. A sort of hydra effect (fittingly, Hydra is a neo-Nazi organization) where when a conspiracy theory is shot down, more take its place.

That is all it takes to not be far right.
The sad thing is if you try to tell your friends this and ask them how exactly Biden could do this they will likely meltdown and get angry at you.
Critical thinking doesn't make one a leftist but I think you might understand that to be far right you must give up critical thinking.

Shit, I just learned from my friend he's been making $24's an hour at In 'N Out with full benefits and the prices for In N Out is some of the lowest you're going to see in the fast food industry...and they're still profitable. Sure In N Out is probably the exception to the rule (and no doubt I'm sure it's the same for Chik Fila, but I haven't really researched them well enough to confirm) but it is possible to keep prices low and still pay a "livable" wage.

Heineken14 posted...

Fast food CEOs make hundreds, often, thousands of dollars per hour and raise their prices over the years regardless. No one bats an eye.

Fast food workers get a bump in pay. Those same rich as fuck CEOs keep raising prices that they were already doing anyway. People flip their shit and blame the workers.

*American jazz hands*

Facts

WingsOfGood posted...

That is all it takes to not be far right.
The sad thing is if you try to tell your friends this and ask them how exactly Biden could do this they will likely meltdown and get angry at you.
Critical thinking doesn't make one a leftist but I think you might understand that to be far right you must give up critical thinking.

To be honest I'm confused by Torgo's reaction to my being unaware of far right talking points. Isn't it good that I don't consume right wing media?

But on the flip side, I suppose that means I haven't been consuming enough left wing media either.

Prestoff posted...

Shit, I just learned from my friend he's been making $24's an hour at In 'N Out with full benefits and the prices for In N Out is some of the lowest you're going to see in the fast food industry...and they're still profitable. Sure In N Out is probably the exception to the rule (and no doubt I'm sure it's the same for Chik Fila, but I haven't really researched them well enough to confirm) but it is possible to keep prices low and still pay a "livable" wage.

I've been saying this for 6 months. I went to SoCal last summer and was shocked by the big stickers on the windows advertising $24 an hour starting pay and benefits.

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Emotion over facts is a conservative trademark. I might find today's food prices odd, but you'll notice I haven't been pinning wild suspicions on any particular group.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RsH1-gDuWR4

trappedunderice posted...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RsH1-gDuWR4

It's absolutely insane how a portion of America shills for corporations. For free no less. They used to have to pay ad execs to do the job regular people are willing to do for free now.

alot of franchise owners are complaining but when you look into there history they all took pp loans and they were forgiven zero fucks to give for these rich assholes

ClayGuida posted...

It's absolutely insane how a portion of America shills for corporations. For free no less. They used to have to pay ad execs to do the job regular people are willing to do for free now.

It's because Americans secretly love authority and bootlicking. They genuinely believe that we need a ruling class to tell us what to do, otherwise everything will fall into chaos. How else are we supposed to figure out an efficient method of feeding everyone, providing medical care or wiping our own ass if we don't relinquish control over the economy to our billionaire overlords, who are clearly smarter and more capable than us because they're richer? After all, they're the real ones holding everything together, not the workers, who are too stupid to figure out how to be billionaires.

It's also why religious fundamentalism maps so cleanly onto right-wing politics. We need God to tell us how to think, act and feel about certain things because we'd be immoral, depraved degenerates otherwise. America is made up of a bunch of people who would rather not deal with thinking for themselves.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

It's because Americans secretly love authority and bootlicking. They genuinely believe that we need a ruling class to tell us what to do, otherwise everything will fall into chaos. How else are we supposed to figure out an efficient method of feeding everyone, providing medical care or wiping our own ass if we don't relinquish control over the economy to our billionaire overlords, who are clearly smarter and more capable than us because they're richer? After all, they're the real ones holding everything together, not the workers, who are too stupid to figure out how to be billionaires.

It's also why religious fundamentalism maps so cleanly onto right-wing politics. We need God to tell us how to think, act and feel about certain things because we'd be immoral, depraved degenerates otherwise. America is made up of a bunch of people who would rather not deal with thinking for themselves.

It sucks. I'd be modded for being blunt about my opinion of the intellectual capacity of believers in religion. All these people who support militarizing police, for example, are much the same way.

It's fucking amazing how many people just love licking the corporate boot. This thread is like the notes taken from a fucking shareholder meeting.

Yeah these fast food places can afford it. I went to McDonalds for the first time since covid this year and I was shocked to see the prices so I just left. Not paying 20 bucks for trash food.

Progress? Naw I will take my cheap food thanks.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/146f27a0.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/dd834348.jpg

We do however need the federal minimum wage to raise It hasn't gone up and over a decade.

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15 freaking years

deoxxys posted...

Progress? Naw I will take my cheap food thanks.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/146f27a0.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/dd834348.jpg

We do however need the federal minimum wage to raise It hasn't gone up and over a decade.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/52cd4903.png

15 freaking years

Which state are you from? If it's too personal, you don't have to share it.

Mew posted...

Fast food CEOs make hundreds, often, thousands of dollars per hour and raise their prices over the years regardless. No one bats an eye.

Fast food workers get a bump in pay. Those same rich as fuck CEOs keep raising prices that they were already doing anyway. People flip their shit and blame the workers.

*American jazz hands*

Yeah I think this is the biggest problem but that's capitalism. That's why I think it'd be great if you could implement a percentage based law where the top people in the company can't make over a certain percentage threshold higher than their lowest rung employees.

That way it would be like the $20 law but it would scale and it would be applicable to more than just fast food

deoxxys posted...

Progress? Naw I will take my cheap food thanks.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/146f27a0.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/dd834348.jpg

We do however need the federal minimum wage to raise It hasn't gone up and over a decade.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/52cd4903.png

15 freaking years

that's still 4.89 for a burger that cost the store about 50 cents to make

Prestoff posted...

Which state are you from? If it's too personal, you don't have to share it.

I'd rather not

thronedfire2 posted...

that's still 4.89 for a burger that cost the store about 50 cents to make

Two beef patties, a slice of cheese, lettuce, onion and pickles and the sauce, for $0.50? Heck no Even if I bought the ingredients myself there's no way the cost per sandwich would be 50 cents

deoxxys posted...

Two beef patties, a slice of cheese, lettuce, onion and pickles and the sauce, for $0.50? Heck no Even if I bought the ingredients myself there's no way the cost per sandwich would be 50 cents

..you do realize they pay far less for food than you do, right? grocery stores also run at a 200-600% markup from what they pay for food.

you can check google, the average cost of a Big Mac to McDonald's is 77 cents. so it's higher in more expensive areas and probably 50 cents wherever the hell you live.

Yeah markups are how businesses make profits, that's no surprise but you can't really use that as a justification. If I pay $2 to $5 for a burger that's fair to me. Saves me the time and labor. It just makes more sense to compare it to how much it would cost me to make the burger because that's the alternative.

deoxxys posted...

Yeah markups are how businesses make profits, that's no surprise but you can't really use that as a justification. If I pay $2 to $5 for a burger that's fair to me. Saves me the time and labor. It just makes more sense to compare it to how much it would cost me to make the burger because that's the alternative.

but it doesn't make sense because you're not making thousands of burgers per month

or even dozens per hour that individual stores make

also where are you spending $2 for a burger? lmao

just for another example of consumer-point "inflation": my work is letting me buy a case of XL gloves for $39.95. that's 1000 XL gloves.

buying that same amount of gloves at my grocery store right now would cost $275.

Our employees here have been getting paid >$20hr since the mid 2000s (about 2008) and prices for a big mac meal (large) are only just now getting close to $16 ($15.25, specifically)

it's almost like there's various and many reasons why businesses would increase price that aren't necessarily related to staff remuneration

Wait 'til you find out the cost of McDonalds in Switzerland where there's no federal minimum wage and super low taxes.

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This thing fucks me up the most.

Like, no, I won't enjoy a $15 Big Mac because I don't eat them. But if a $15 Big Mac means homies get to pay bills then hell yeah dog go nuts.

reminder republicans were screaming how if we raised the min wage fast food would be 30 dollars funny how wages stayed the same fast food still expensive as shit

CADE_FOSTER posted...

reminder republicans were screaming how if we raised the min wage fast food would be 30 dollars funny how wages stayed the same fast food still expensive as shit

It's a scary thought how republicans were raised to throw tantrums with such abandon.

Quicksilver posted...

Yeah these fast food places can afford it. I went to McDonalds for the first time since covid this year and I was shocked to see the prices so I just left. Not paying 20 bucks for trash food.

Prices went up due to covid and have never went back down.

And bootlickers think wages are the problem why? The restaurant could be fully automated (like that new one in Pasadena) and prices would still be through the fucking roof

I don't think anyone has ever said that wages are the sole contributing factor to prices. If they did, they were an idiot.

RetuenOfDevsman posted...

I don't think anyone has ever said that wages are the sole contributing factor to prices. If they did, they were an idiot.

Never read YT comments about fast food businesses closing or firing workers on CA

Too expensive to eat and now too expensive to employ

PowerMan5000000 posted...

Too expensive to eat and now too expensive to employ

Its really not even too expensive to employee. If anything unless you are already a failing business most major fast food companies could afford that easily.

The only ones that would probably struggle are smaller businesses not owned by corporations.

Baha05 posted...

Never read YT comments about fast food businesses closing or firing workers on CA

I don't count the authors of YouTube comments as people.

RetuenOfDevsman posted...

I don't think anyone has ever said that wages are the sole contributing factor to prices. If they did, they were an idiot.

The people who loudly complain that giving workers a living wage will increase prices don't seem to speak up about any other cause of price increase.

Some of yall attacking your own kind instead focusing it on the corpos

F*** you texas. >___<

That's a lot of cash for entry-level work.

Autocraticus posted...

That's a lot of cash for entry-level work.

Not really considering the cost of living is going up, stuff is already more expensive versus a decade ago, and most major companies are making a lot more profits anyhow.

Gritty posted...

Some of yall attacking your own kind instead focusing it on the corpos

All as planned

Autocraticus posted...

That's a lot of cash for entry-level work.

Is it? Why?

Autocraticus posted...

That's a lot of cash for entry-level work.

It's not so much that. A sequence of events has devalued currency considerably.. People in their lifetime have seen items like comic books inch upwards from 10 cents, to five dollars.

Thud posted...

Lmao, enjoy your $15 Big Macs and Whoppers, California

That's because of greed not because they can't afford to give their employees a wage that even needs to be higher still to be able to live

Baha05 posted...

Its really not even too expensive to employee. If anything unless you are already a failing business most major fast food companies could afford that easily.

The only ones that would probably struggle are smaller businesses not owned by corporations.

And this law doesn't include small operations so that argument is void

Good. Basic CoL index inflation says min. wage should be like $26 IIRC.

Prestoff posted...

Shit, I just learned from my friend he's been making $24's an hour at In 'N Out with full benefits and the prices for In N Out is some of the lowest you're going to see in the fast food industry...and they're still profitable. Sure In N Out is probably the exception to the rule (and no doubt I'm sure it's the same for Chik Fila, but I haven't really researched them well enough to confirm) but it is possible to keep prices low and still pay a "livable" wage.

In and Out is not a publicly traded company which answers to wall street shareholder bros looking for constant exponential growth forever, McDonald's is

in and out can actually pay their workers instead of their shareholders

Housing cost needs to go down. Wages are barely keeping up with the cost of everything.

CADE_FOSTER posted...

reminder republicans were screaming how if we raised the min wage fast food would be 30 dollars funny how wages stayed the same fast food still expensive as shit

Or they will automate the fast food . Despite them already doing that in red states anyway.