Current Events > Controversial Take: Healthcare should have a cost to it, and not be free.

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IdiotMachine
03/29/24 7:49:24 AM
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To the receiver of healthcare, there should be some per-use cost to it. It shouldnt be free, and it shouldnt be like $2000 to call an ambulance, but it should be something enough that people will think twice to using, so that it doesnt overtax the already overtaxed healthcare system. For example, if its free or like $10 to go to a doctor, then everyone will just go to the doctor for every little stupid shit.

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Rosstin316
03/29/24 7:51:09 AM
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Username checks out.

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ai123
03/29/24 7:54:02 AM
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The doctor would be the person to decide if it's 'stupid shit' or not.

Discouraging people from seeking treatment with a financial barrier seems pretty shitty. Who do you think it will impact the most?

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Ricemills
03/29/24 7:54:09 AM
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It's called tax.

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Lvaneede
03/29/24 7:54:41 AM
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or what if there was a better tax system to fund paying doctors and healthcare worker much better to attract more people to supply the demand of free healthcare

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IdiotMachine
03/29/24 7:55:54 AM
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Lvaneede posted...
or what if there was a better tax system to fund paying doctors and healthcare worker much better to attract more people to supply the demand of free healthcare
Literally doesnt work. See Canada and UK; their healthcare system is falling apart with months of wait time before being able to see a specialist.

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DnDer
03/29/24 7:56:04 AM
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IdiotMachine posted...
To the receiver of healthcare, there should be some per-use cost to it. It shouldnt be free, and it shouldnt be like $2000 to call an ambulance, but it should be something enough that people will think twice to using, so that it doesnt overtax the already overtaxed healthcare system. For example, if its free or like $10 to go to a doctor, then everyone will just go to the doctor for every little stupid shit.

You need some kind of accountability partner to ask every time before you post. Just turn to them and go, "Is this a good idea?" and make sure they check your work before you post.

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Jiek_Fafn
03/29/24 7:57:20 AM
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That was actually fairly close to reality at one point. Then, it turned out that they could make more money by charging people more. So they did that. Now it has spiraled out of control and we'd be much better off if we all paid our share through taxes.

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ai123
03/29/24 7:58:42 AM
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IdiotMachine posted...
Literally doesnt work. See Canada and UK; their healthcare system is falling apart with months of wait time before being able to see a specialist.
The problem in the UK is decades of Tory underfunding and mismanagement. Not a failure to charge people.

Most want the government to spend more of their taxes on it.

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Evillink2000
03/29/24 7:59:49 AM
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Rosstin316 posted...
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Choco
03/29/24 7:59:54 AM
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there is a cost it's called time

IdiotMachine posted...
For example, if its free or like $10 to go to a doctor, then everyone will just go to the doctor for every little stupid shit.
no they won't what the fuck are you talking about

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Choco
03/29/24 8:01:31 AM
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IdiotMachine posted...
Literally doesnt work. See Canada and UK; their healthcare system is falling apart with months of wait time before being able to see a specialist.
ok what about all the other countries with normal healthcare systems

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IdiotMachine
03/29/24 8:02:39 AM
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Choco posted...
there is a cost it's called time

no they won't what the fuck are you talking about
Brah, when I lived in NYC, I saw doctor offices crowded with people using Medicaid and my wait times were like over an hour past my appointment, every single time. Im so happy I left that hellhole of a city (though I do miss the food and broadway shows).

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Ricemills
03/29/24 8:03:28 AM
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IdiotMachine posted...
For example, if its free or like $10 to go to a doctor, then everyone will just go to the doctor for every little stupid shit.

And why is this a bad thing?

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Tyranthraxus
03/29/24 8:04:11 AM
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Explanation to man with pea brained take. Free means paid for with taxes, not gratis.

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UnsteadyOwl
03/29/24 8:05:18 AM
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If people wait to see a doctor until their health gets really bad it ends up costing more in the long run than if they're seeing a doctor regularly and can catch health conditions early when they're not as severe and are easier (and cheaper) to treat.

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Lvaneede
03/29/24 8:07:08 AM
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I live in Australia where it is mostly free. Its not perfect, but its a million times better than the US

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BlueKat
03/29/24 8:08:17 AM
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DnDer
03/29/24 8:09:22 AM
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UnsteadyOwl posted...
If people wait to see a doctor until their health gets really bad it ends up costing more in the long run than if they're seeing a doctor regularly and can catch health conditions early when they're not as severe and are easier (and cheaper) to treat.

Health care costs nothing if you're too poor to afford it in the first place.

So, they wait to see their doctor, $30 copay, learn you waited and now can't afford treatment, and you just need to save up enough for the funeral, kthxbye.

American health care for almost anyone born after maybe 1986.

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CyricZ
03/29/24 8:09:44 AM
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Bruh.

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hereforemnant
03/29/24 8:10:20 AM
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It's free at the point of service, not free altogether *facepalm*
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Charismic_Zach_Gowen
03/29/24 8:13:35 AM
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IdiotMachine posted...
Brah, when I lived in NYC, I saw doctor offices crowded with people using Medicaid and my wait times were like over an hour past my appointment, every single time. Im so happy I left that hellhole of a city (though I do miss the food and broadway shows).

Sure. This absolutely happened.

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DnDer
03/29/24 8:14:26 AM
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Sure. But my point is pretty clear regardless of the number, right?

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Smackems
03/29/24 8:14:43 AM
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Oh lawt he srs

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projectpat72988
03/29/24 8:17:44 AM
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You can't imagine how fucked the US system is until you've truly needed to deal with it.

With all the bs that gets paid for. I'd for damn sure rather the government try to pay for that.

Also push out these evil practices that are about nothing but making money
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emblem-man
03/29/24 8:18:21 AM
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Doesn't the existence of long wait times plus alternatives like Urgent care help filter out that type of issue?

Also, we should remove some of the artificial barriers to more people becoming doctors and just increase the pool of available doctors to help with wait times.

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rideshort
03/29/24 8:20:28 AM
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That's why we pay taxes to fund healthcare. Europe and Canada has this down to a science and the US can too.

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SydnieStarlight
03/29/24 8:23:17 AM
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IdiotMachine posted...
Literally doesnt work. See Canada and UK; their healthcare system is falling apart with months of wait time before being able to see a specialist.
I'd take months of wait time to see a specialist over not getting to see a specialist at all.

The real argument here is that any system in which the user must pay for medical care is one in which being alive is a luxury, not a right. I, for one, don't feel that that's how it should be.

Accurate title, though! "Controversial" is certainly one of numerous words one could use to describe your take!

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IdiotMachine
03/29/24 8:27:05 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Explanation to man with pea brained take. Free means paid for with taxes, not gratis.
You literally didnt read the OP did you. I said per use; this topic doesnt have anything to do with funding the majority of the healthcare via taxes.

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UnsteadyOwl
03/29/24 8:28:44 AM
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DnDer posted...
Sure. But my point is pretty clear regardless of the number, right?
Yeah, but I don't totally agree. What ends up happening a lot of the time if a poor person can't see a doctor is they eventually end up in the emergency room which costs more than several visits to a primary care physician. And if they can't pay, the hospital has to make that up somewhere so the rest of us end up paying for it indirectly in higher healthcare costs.

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hockeybabe89
03/29/24 8:29:52 AM
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Uh... there already technically isn't anything stopping people. No one gets turned away for lacking money at a hospital

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IdiotMachine
03/29/24 8:33:23 AM
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hockeybabe89 posted...
Uh... there already technically isn't anything stopping people. No one gets turned away for lacking money at a hospital
Emergency care, sure; but routine care, no that gets turned down. Doctor offices require payment on service to be rendered upfront or right after (at least here in western PA).

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hockeybabe89
03/29/24 8:34:19 AM
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America: *Biggest, scummiest for-profit bullshit healthcare system in the world*

TC: "I dunno maybe healthcare isn't cost-prohibitive enough"

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reincarnator07
03/29/24 8:36:00 AM
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You've either never worked a paid job or are so poor that even the US government says you need some help if you never pay anything for healthcare.

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ANort
03/29/24 8:36:16 AM
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The best thing about the TC is you don't even need to tag them, since their username is basically the tag already.

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LightHawKnight
03/29/24 8:36:56 AM
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Rosstin316 posted...
Username checks out.


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ClayGuida
03/29/24 8:38:53 AM
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Price gouging laws should apply to hospitals. $200 for an aspirin pill is outright bullshit.

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hockeybabe89
03/29/24 8:40:28 AM
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IdiotMachine posted...
Emergency care, sure; but routine care, no that gets turned down. Doctor offices require payment on service to be rendered upfront or right after (at least here in western PA).
I get a bill later on pretty much anywhere I go.

And I'm starting to see a direct primary care physician, where you just pay a flat monthly fee and nothing otherwise. They even offer an optional higher fee for people who purely want to offset the cost of the office offering limited free slots to low-income patients

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hockeybabe89
03/29/24 8:43:54 AM
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reincarnator07 posted...
You've either never worked a paid job or are so poor that even the US government says you need some help if you never pay anything for healthcare.
Seriously. It's the most devoid-of-reality take one could have on American healthcare. Costs are insane for almost everyone.

It's like when people unironically say they'd have more money if they were dirt poor and on welfare.

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kurdt032
03/29/24 8:46:28 AM
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Controversial take:

*Posts something that already happens*

Yeah deal with that guys!!!

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uwnim
03/29/24 8:50:19 AM
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hockeybabe89 posted...
America: *Biggest, scummiest for-profit bullshit healthcare system in the world*

TC: "I dunno maybe healthcare isn't cost-prohibitive enough"
That is not at all what they said.

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IdiotMachine
03/29/24 9:06:52 AM
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kurdt032 posted...
Controversial take:

*Posts something that already happens*

Yeah deal with that guys!!!
No it isnt. Even with insurance, getting an ambulance or seeing a doctor will be stupid expensive.

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03/29/24 12:02:07 PM
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DnDer
03/29/24 12:17:08 PM
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SydnieStarlight posted...
The real argument here is that any system in which the user must pay for medical care is one in which being alive is a luxury, not a right. I, for one, don't feel that that's how it should be.


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DnDer
03/29/24 12:22:12 PM
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UnsteadyOwl posted...
Yeah, but I don't totally agree. What ends up happening a lot of the time if a poor person can't see a doctor is they eventually end up in the emergency room which costs more than several visits to a primary care physician. And if they can't pay, the hospital has to make that up somewhere so the rest of us end up paying for it indirectly in higher healthcare costs.

True, but you're not able to go to the ER for things like chemo or dialysis or anything, are you? That's outpatient stuff.

The ER will get you to a point where they can street you and put a referral to a specialist you'll never be able to afford in your hands, and the only other treatment you get is when you go back to the ER when you die from the thing for-profit health care kept you from treating when it was treatable.

Normal people aren't using the ER as a clinic and running up bills on the taxpayer dime because they know they're on the hook for it first. And medical billing and collections will find you.

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hockeybabe89
03/29/24 12:24:05 PM
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uwnim posted...
That is not at all what they said.
It is. TC said healthcare has to have a cost to deter people from wasting resources. It literally has the most cost in America

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DnDer
03/29/24 12:24:34 PM
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hockeybabe89 posted...
They even offer an optional higher fee for people who purely want to offset the cost of the office offering limited free slots to low-income patients

That makes me feel good and bad.

Like stories about the kid who gives up his allowance to pay for his friends school lunch debt.

It's sweet, but why on God's green earth have we allowed it to get to that point?

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hockeybabe89
03/29/24 1:27:13 PM
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DnDer posted...
That makes me feel good and bad.

Like stories about the kid who gives up his allowance to pay for his friends school lunch debt.

It's sweet, but why on God's green earth have we allowed it to get to that point?
For sure.

It's like here at the pharmacy. We offer free delivery to anyone who signs up for our free sync program, and our cash prices are comparable to GoodRx and the chains' proprietary pricing tools. But we can't just give away drugs for free. The costs are built into the system. A pharmacy does that and they'll go under in about 20 minutes. If the $1000+ loss per brand name drug wouldn't sink them, losing every single insurance company contract would.

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