Current Events > Who decided on forty hours?

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No one who thinks forty hours of work isn't a lot hasn't worked a real job in their lives, and those who may be the outlier type person that enjoys repetitive, or highly stressful work are the rare exception among that tier of wealthy person.

They keep trying to sell us the old paradigm of work for work's sake, but how hard are the people collecting the profits working?

Elon Musk worked 10 hours today - he spent three hours on a plane talking on the phone to people who have to kiss his ass, and the rest going to a business dinner and jerking off around his posh billionaire office so he can make decisions that lose more money then you will make working for him over ten thousand years.

It's insanity.

I'm not anti work, I'm against economic systems that take our freedom and dignity away.

I'd take 10 hours over 4 days easy.

Torgo posted...

Elon Musk worked 10 hours today - he spent three hours on a plane talking on the phone to people who have to kiss his ass, and the rest going to a business dinner and jerking off around his posh billionaire office so he can make decisions that lose more money then you will make working for him over ten thousand years.

Yeah, but keep in mind he also has to be Elon Musk.

Better than 16 h/day in the mine.

Ford
40 hours was an improvement from the previous system tho, it was 48. And a century before it, it was 80

Me and my homies hate Ford

Ricemills posted...

Ford
40 hours was an improvement from the previous system tho, it was 48. And a century before it, it was 80

This, and it will probably become less soon as a standard again. The step after that is UBI, I fully believe its inevitable.

Ive had a lot of different jobs, but never had one thats 40 hours.

Hitler: "I regard Henry Ford as my inspiration." (Not a joke)

20 hours would be perfect.

Revelation34 posted...

20 hours would be perfect.

I mean if people want to work more than that, I don't think anyone should stop them.

But yeah, 20 hours seems a good way to honor the actual giants whose shoulders we stand on, the engineers, scientists, designers, doctors, etc... that made a modern life full of conveniences that serve us, rather than we serving a rigged system.

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20 hours would be amazing. I'm for it.

Being over half of workers in the US are paid hourly, whether it's too much or too little depends on individual finances.

Salary jobs can be more stressful, but they often have more freedom as far as hours go. My former supervisor was hardly ever there making me do all her shit. She'd "work from home" whenever she felt like it when she was needed on the job.

Ive never really felt that 40 hours was that bad tbh, but Ive also been very fortunate to never had to work a job that I truly hated before which is why

To me its always just been 1/3 of my day that I spend doing something I dont mind with people I like

I would never argue against less hours for the same pay of course though lol

Guide posted...

I'd take 10 hours over 4 days easy.

Same

My gf works like 5 days 12 hours a day then gets like 9 days off (911 dispatcher)

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Except the sleep and free time never pan out that way

I'm for always working less but that's assuming our pays would still be the same right? Less work, same or even more pay?

At uni I was working something like 60-65 hours a week, usually including a day at the weekend.

And in my first real job, including the commute, I was sometimes out of the house for 12 hours a day, Mon-Fri.

These days I do 37 hours and barely a minute more. That seems like about right.

some asshole

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If we had a more just system, we could all benefit from the body of knowledge and inventions that humans before us created and have more time to ourselves and our family - not just those born into better circumstances.

40 hours is a perfectly reasonable expectation. I wish the U.S. would adopt 4/10 as the standard over 5/8 though. Having a third day off would be amazing.

DragulaRULEZ posted...

Hitler: "I regard Henry Ford as my inspiration." (Not a joke)

Henry Fords awfulness is wildly underrated.

Honestly, it was labor unions who made that decision (because before unions, people were working far more)

DragulaRULEZ posted...

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So we in the US should be working more if we want to remain competitive

Guide posted...

I'd take 10 hours over 4 days easy.

3 day weekend yes sir

It is dumb as it's just not a good system.

Public accounting is a great example where 40 hours is, at least at the level I'm at, either more time than you need to get your tasks done for the non-busy time of the year, or it's an impossible dream during busy season when you are working 60+ hours a week.

Yet, during non-busy season, you are still expected to show 40 hours of work (funny how that works), which just results in a lot of goofing around.

The earliest noteworthy demand for an eight-hour workday that I know of came from the French Revolution, with the idea being to divide the day equally between labor, rest and recreation.

Foppe posted...

Better than 16 h/day in the mine.

This is why we have 40 hours a week. It was a vast improvement over a HORRIBLE system. 32 hours will also be a vast improvement over a HORRIBLE system.

Theres zero reason that we cant keep improving over the historically horrible work system in this so-called 1st world country while places like Sweden keep improving employee health and happiness.

But big oil and timber wont let that happen. Even Boeing had that whistleblower killed after they said anything.

we do 45 here and it sucks

DragulaRULEZ posted...

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Which european countries are bringing that average up?

Guide posted...

I'd take 10 hours over 4 days easy.

So. much. this.

LonelyStoner posted...

This is why we have 40 hours a week. It was a vast improvement over a HORRIBLE system. 32 hours will also be a vast improvement over a HORRIBLE system.

Theres zero reason that we cant keep improving over the historically horrible work system in this so-called 1st world country while places like Sweden keep improving employee health and happiness.

But big oil and timber wont let that happen. Even Boeing had that whistleblower killed after they said anything.

Though the 40 hour work week is much better for manual labor it's not as good for knowledge work. The 8 hour day often drags on and it can be difficult when you finish a task with 15 minutes left in the day but can't leave for another 15 minutes. So you start another task and then end up leaving an hour or two late.

Last week I worked 40 hours in 4 days and then had to use 8 hours of PTO to take 6 hours off on Friday. Sad thing is that's typical of every company I've worked for

MrAntisocial posted...

Though the 40 hour work week is much better for manual labor it's not as good for knowledge work. The 8 hour day often drags on and it can be difficult when you finish a task with 15 minutes left in the day but can't leave for another 15 minutes. So you start another task and then end up leaving an hour or two late.

Last week I worked 40 hours in 4 days and then had to use 8 hours of PTO to take 6 hours off on Friday. Sad thing is that's typical of every company I've worked for

I may have worded my comment incorrectly. Im in full support of the 4 day work week. I also finish most of my tasks in a couple of hours and spend the rest of the day pretending to look busy. I was just trying to say that theres no reason we cant continue to whittle down the work week as long as we get the work done.

People died in protests so we could get 40. I think the worst part is the commute time. So much time and gas lost.

KainWind posted...

Which european countries are bringing that average up?

Much like everything else it is the ones that are considered worst on many metrics. For instance, Greece has the longest work days in Europe with an average of 47 to 51 hours per week.

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Which is such horse shit lmao. Whoever decided that this is ok is an asshole. Your own time doesnt take into account getting ready for work, commuting to work, unpaid lunch breaks that you have to take, commuting home.

Its actually insane to me.

probably greg louganis

rexcrk posted...

Which is such horse shit lmao. Whoever decided that this is ok is an asshole. Your own time doesnt take into account getting ready for work, commuting to work, unpaid lunch breaks that you have to take, commuting home.

Its actually insane to me.

Yeah. It's a nice idea but it doesn't really work that way.

Also, the "mandatory fuck you hour", as I like to call it, should be straight up illegal. Lunch should either be paid or optional.

Euripides posted...

Honestly, it was labor unions who made that decision (because before unions, people were working far more)

It was a rhetorical question, but your answer is likely the largest contributing factor.

Now we should be fighting for less time working in the age of computers, instant international communication, supersonic travel, robotic automation, etc...

The people who own the means of production did not invent all those technologies they use and hoard through artificially depressed wages and an admitted goal of economic insecurity for the working class.

In my salary agreement, I'm only required to work 37.5 hours a week. If I go over, my boss told me she'll make sure I get to take a day or half day off during the week so that's nice.

To most anything above 0 frankly is to much.

But no, its not fair the owners of some companys may not work as hard as their employees, but then again most companys or society even couldn't function working them sub 40 hours either.

For medical is about 36.

NostraL0r3 posted...

For medical is about 36.

Nurses only work 36 hours on average? I tend to think of nurses as the backbone of the medical field.

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Noooooot if you have a family to take care of, and/or you have a lengthy commute. You'll be lucky to get 80 minutes of your own time during a typical work day.

MMMM 8 hours of sleep... *baby cries*

More like uuunnnggghhh 4 hours of sleep

Welp!

Revelation34 posted...

20 hours would be perfect.

Yeah, I think a lot of people would go with that. Too much less might have some negative consequences, at least for some.

I do 40 hours over 4 days and it's not bad at all. I feel like I'm at home more than I'm at work.

Torgo posted...

I mean if people want to work more than that, I don't think anyone should stop them.

But yeah, 20 hours seems a good way to honor the actual giants whose shoulders we stand on, the engineers, scientists, designers, doctors, etc... that made a modern life full of conveniences that serve us, rather than we serving a rigged system.

You guys gotta be trolling lol, nothing would hardly get done in 20 hours. That's part-time. And would come with part-time pay lol