Current Events > The Cry to Vote 'uncommitted'

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Pretty sure weve made it clear that yes, its a genocide, no, we dont like it, and that Biden is the lesser of two evils compared to Trump.

Thats called living in reality.

Pretty sure weve made it clear that yes, its a genocide, no, we dont like it, and that Biden is the lesser of two evils compared to Trump.

Thats called living in reality.

It's just as hypocritical to be against genocide and vote for Biden when it's at the worst it has been.

Oh, so it was okay to vote in American elections, despite disgusting foreign policy our entire lifetimes because it wasn't "the worst" until now?

You're not living in reality. You're living in fear and I'll take my chances with not voting for either party.

wasn't "the worst" until now?

Enabling a Genocide is never an option.

It must be nice to be so privileged that you can "take your chances"

The Republicans have loudly and openly promised to strip everyone who isn't straight, white conservative male of their human rights, and their actions in heavy red states prove they mean what they say. I don't give a fuck about the Democrats. I'm voting to stop the GOP.

Why is the worst in quotations? The genocide is the worst has been with women and children starving to death.

The Republicans have loudly and openly promised to strip everyone who isn't straight, white conservative male of their human rights, and their actions in heavy red states prove they mean what they say. I don't give a fuck about the Democrats. I'm voting to stop the GOP.

For emphasis.

I'm not talking about voting, you are. I'm talking about Biden's responsibility for the genocide he is supporting and the fact that it is going to lose him the election. If you respond to this with the same line about how I have to vote for Biden regardless of his actions, something I am not discussing, I'm going to block you.

You can use your vote however you want.
The problem is you pushing other people for not voting to whatever you want

Because we're all going to die if what I want doesn't win.

Do you not know what a civil war is?

Because we're all going to die if what I want doesn't win.

How about this scenario:

> Biden denounce Israel's actions, sending help to victims and mediate the war
> The uncommitted are satisfied, and theb vote for Biden
> Everyone wins, except Trumpers and pro genocide trash

But noooo, you guys reject any hope for progress

But yet you don't even try to make the win. Instead you shoo away the factor that will help you win.

Option one causes X deaths
Option two causes X - Y deaths
There is no third option

justify how Option two is never an option

But yet you don't even try to make the win. Instead you shoo away the factor that will help you win.

Party: "We will kill you if we win!"
The other party: "We also wil keep funding for killing people, just not you.. for now."

Uncaring person: "Ok. I will vote for the other party then!"

Non-voter: "But the other party needs to earn my vote!"

I'm sorry. Are you saying we should fight a civil war instead of just... voting for the party that isn't going to destroy the country and kill a bunch of people?

I believe Ricemills is genuine. Obviously not ButteryMales because they only popped up recently and seemed to work in tandem with SecretBase.

But that part about the Dems being we wont kill you for now has me second guessing. Feels a little too same thing both sides to me.

Not dems, Biden.
And other politicians that's pro Israel genociding the Palestinian.

You said we will keep funding for killing people, just not you for now.

The you in that statement referred to American voters, so yes, you suggested exactly what I said you did.

Are you familiar to the Niemoller's poem?

It's about someone who doesn't care about what is happening on the others until their turn comes.

The Democratic Party are not saints.
In fact they're just slightly to the left of "the right".

You're not caring on how keep sliding to the right will eventually bites you when they go full right.

Are you familiar to the Niemoller's poem?

It's about someone who doesn't care about what is happening on the others until their turn comes.

The Democratic Party are not saints.
In fact they're just slightly to the left of "the right".

You're not caring on how keep sliding to the right will eventually bites you when they go full right.

Its true the Dems are neither saints nor even left wing, but to say theyre only a little bit to the left of the right (Republicans) is not true. The Republicans are far right authoritarian. The Democrats by comparison are centre-right at worst.

Im expecting a few the genocide didnt start until October posts incoming

Yeah. Here is one.

If you're actually making the claim that the current Gaza war is just more of the same, you're downplaying an atrocity. The scale of death and destruction is something we haven't seen anywhere on the planet in the 21st century, with death rates 5x higher than Iraq and Ukraine. With the stats being much, much worse for women and children.

The previous few escalations in Gaza pale in comparison. Why would you deny this?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/058331a2.jpg

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68387864

Im talking about people who ignore the past 75 years in the name of Israel has the right to defend itself.

Its true the Dems are neither saints nor even left wing, but to say theyre only a little bit to the left of the right (Republicans) is not true. The Republicans are far right authoritarian. The Democrats by comparison are centre-right at worst.

Hes just bad faith trolling now

Fixed

So I should vote to kill myself now, so the Democrats can't kill me at some unspecified time in the future? Not really selling me on allowing the GOP to win tbh.

You still seem to think I believe the Democrars are good. I am only voting for them because they are less bad and won't kill me right now. It's the only option I have at the moment. Live to see the next day and go from there.

You can use your vote however you want.
The problem is you pushing other people for not voting to whatever you want

Like I said

When privileged people tell me we should all let ourselves die because our country still has awful foreign policy, I'm gonna fucking tell them their opinions are awful.

People with actual problems, that are actually in danger in America, don't have the luxury of focusing on who our government is friends with in foreign conflicts.

Should we also let abortion be banned nationwide because our government won't stop giving money to the architects of 9/11?

Only people without actual problems can turn their nose up at the lesser evil, to vote with their hearts.

When privileged people tell me

When privileged people tell me we should all let ourselves die because our country still has awful foreign policy, I'm gonna fucking tell them their opinions are awful.

People with actual problems, that are actually in danger in America, don't have the luxury of focusing on who our government is friends with in foreign conflicts.

Should we also let abortion be banned nationwide because our government won't stop giving money to the architects of 9/11?

Only people without actual problems can turn their nose up at the lesser evil, to vote with their hearts.

Are you being serious?
People being massacred and you said they don't have actual problem?
You said to vote with your heart, but you clearly closed your heart to the atrocity that is happening?

Why the fuck are you saying that people being murdered are not an actual problem?

I swear this board doesn't understand how a democracy should function. We're so used to this shitty system that we think it's normal to have to justify a genocide because the other side is going to genocide even harder if we don't vote for "the good guys"

No, what we should be doing is using the one political tool we have, our vote, to try to force the people in power to bend to the will of the people. That's how a democracy is supposed to function. Thats all that voting uncommitted is trying to do. They realize they're helpless, but if this act gets the Dems to reconsider their stance on Israel, then that's a net positive.

And instead of brow beating those people because they don't feel great about supporting a candidate that is actively funding a genocide, maybe you should join them and use that same energy and criticize the people that are funding the fucking genocide.Try to force the people in power to actually do the right thing.

It's better than sitting back and criticizing the people that are actually trying whatever they can, no matter how hopeless, to fix the situation.

I mean, how am I wrong? If Biden ignores this all and does absolutely nothing different, he is still far better than the GOP on domestic issues and not putting tens of millions of Americans at risk of disenfranchisement, suffering, death, etc. The entire healthcare system will go from crappy to collapsed. We'll speed run even faster towards environmental ruin.

You guys need to be prepared for Biden to stay the shitty course of blind support of Israel. In that instance, are you going to make the utilitarian, damage mitigating choice, or are you going to lose the will to live and not give a fuck what happens to ANYONE? What are we saying? We'd rather everyone die than live in an America where our government supports evil foreign nations?

Jesus fuck once again this is about primaries

American voters are being murdered in Palestine? Non-voters in America clearly have no problems if they can just focus on one foreign policy issue and tell everything else to go scratch. The problems of Americans are merely theoretical to you.

And I'm saying to stop voting with your hearts. Tell me how not voting and letting the suffering overwhelm our country helps anyone. How does that help Palestinians? How does that help Americans? The GOP isn't going to turn on Israel AND they'll destroy America. Who is benefitting from that?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/162b0beb.jpgUncommitted got 20% of the vote in Minnesota today

I hope this will make Biden to reconsider his stance.
Losing those 20% voters will be bad in general election.

Biden keeps DOMINATING these primaries.
All the lies of, "we're just making our voices heard! we'll still vote Biden in November!" are getting pretty annoying.
If that were true, they'd take the L, pack it in, and support our president. But even though a vast majority of the base (let alone independents and general electorate, which care about this issue even less) clearly are fine Ridin' with Biden, they stomp their feet and demand he appease a small % of a fraction of Dem general election voters.
If they can't have it their way, they'll burn everything down out of spite.

Case in point:

Freudian slip?