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Who has actually gone broke for going "woke"?

Seems to be right wingers who lose work usually

Spider-Verse movies are among the wokest of all of the superhero franchises, and one of the best and most successful. Black Panther as well. Big budget movies off the top of my head:

SpiderVerse franchise
Black Panther franchise
Creed franchise
Barbie
The Last of Us

Theres arguments both ways. Barbie was incredibly successful; meanwhile Forspoken, Disney and Anheiser Busch sales dropped when they took this route.

falayyou01 posted...

Forspoken

So because a game has a black woman as the main character, it's woke? Even so, it wasn't the reason the game did so poorly.

008Zulu posted...

So because a game has a black woman as the main character, it's woke? Even so, it wasn't the reason the game did so poorly.

I hate when idiots pick and choose which movies are woke based on whether they succeed or not. If the movie succeeds, they ignore it. If it sucks, it's woke.

So obviously, woke has nothing to do with it. Good woke will make money. Bad woke won't. Same with just about anything.

Disney looks to be heading that way

lydiaquayle posted...

SpiderVerse franchise
Black Panther franchise

how are these woke? i never saw black panther 2

RISEofCHRISTIAN posted...

how are these woke? i never saw black panther 2

SpiderVerse is literally about a hispanic black Spiderman trying to navigate around his socioeconomic background while also interacting with female SpiderGwen, pregnant Spiderwoman, Indian Spiderman, black Spiderpunk, etc., etc., etc.

Black Panther 1 is literally about Tchalla trying to preserve global morality and wanting to become a global example of peace vs black supremacist Killmonger.

Black Panther 2 is about fucking Shuri trying to take over the mantle of the Black Panther, and Ramonda the queen, both struggling to assume their roles getting respect as women, while the antagonist Namor is a Mesoamerican Native who wants to invade because the world is causing environmental destruction on Atlantis.

I think the Bud Light thing is the only example I can think of where that happened. But that's basically due to their target demographic being exactly the type of people who would say go woke, go broke to begin with. I think when it's a mass appeal product like most movie or games, it's probably not very relevant. It's very dependent on what the demographic for your product is.

Go fash lose cash.

Before we debate whether it's an asset or a liability, can we stop to define woke?

falayyou01 posted...

meanwhile Forspoken

What makes Forespoken woke?

falayyou01 posted...

Disney and Anheiser Busch sales dropped when they took this route.

The Owl House was cancelled by Disney for being woke. No one says anything bad about The Owl House and there were some people saying Disney regrets cancelling it.

Looking at the 5 year of Anheuser-Busch InBev SA/NV - ADR it's stock price is steady from 2021 - 2024. When did the stupid protest even start?

RISEofCHRISTIAN posted...

Disney looks to be heading that way

how are these woke? i never saw black panther 2

Black Panther is woke as you people put it because it has black people in it. Bonus points for them not being slaves.

FortuneCookie posted...

Before we debate whether it's an asset or a liability, can we stop to define woke?

The definition changes depending on whom you ask (alt-right cultist or normal socially adjusted person).

FortuneCookie posted...

Before we debate whether it's an asset or a liability, can we stop to define woke?

To conservatives, woke is anything that explores racial, gender, or identity politics, socioeconomic change, environmental concerns, or globalist/isolationism military/diplomatic policies.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Black Panther is woke as you people put it because it has black people in it. Bonus points for them not being slaves.

but when was the last time you heard Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Family Matters, or the Rush Hour Trilogy called woke?

lydiaquayle posted...

To conservatives, woke is anything that explores racial, gender, or identity politics, socioeconomic change, environmental concerns, or globalist/isolationism military/diplomatic policies.

Specifically, acknowledging that people who arent straight white rich Christian men have suffered systemic hardship (and continue to) and do, in fact, deserve to exist.

So judging by this poll and a very small sample size, about 2/3 to 3/4 are left wing liberals and the remainder are conservative, otherwise known as Chads. Omoshiroii.

RISEofCHRISTIAN posted...

but when was the last time you heard Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Family Matters, or the Rush Hour Trilogy called woke?

Those arent current or in the public eye. Its when something new comes out that you people jump all over it for shoehorning a woman, a black person, or LGBT people into it for the nebulous purpose of erasing the straight white rich Christian male identity.

RISEofCHRISTIAN posted...

but when was the last time you heard Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Family Matters, or the Rush Hour Trilogy called woke?

I haven't heard about them, period. Didn't Fresh Prince of Bel Air get turned into a serious drama?

Dark_Arbron posted...

The definition changes depending on whom you ask (alt-right cultist or normal socially adjusted person).

Dark_Arbron posted...

Specifically, acknowledging that people who arent straight white rich Christian men have suffered systemic hardship (and continue to) and do, in fact, deserve to exist.

What's the liberal definition then?

ButteryMales posted...

Looking at the 5 year of Anheuser-Busch InBev SA/NV - ADR it's stock price is steady from 2021 - 2024. When did the stupid protest even start?

Last year. There is an entire Wikipedia article on it and it absolutely did harm Bud Light, but many of them switch to other AB brands, because the people who would boycott a beer brand over a transgender influencer aren't known for their strong reasoning abilities.

ButteryMales posted...

I haven't heard about them. Didn't Fresh Prince of Bel Air get turned into a serious drama?

No, it was always a family night sitcom. 1-2 times per season, they'll have a 'serious' episode that deals with social issues like drug use, deadbeat fathers, white racism against blacks, black on black racism, Carlton's Republicanism, etc.

lydiaquayle posted...

No, it was always a family night sitcom. 1-2 times per season, they'll have a 'serious' episode that deals with social issues like drug use, deadbeat fathers, white racism against blacks, black on black racism, Carlton's Republicanism, etc.

https://youtu.be/_-_P9DPMuy8?si=uvREB0tKvnluogR7

Damn, this was two years ago. I haven't heard about it except for the trailer.

FortuneCookie posted...

What's the liberal definition then?

Being aware of systemic racial and sexist injustice and wanting to see it go away. Or in simpler terms, being a decent person.

ssjevot posted...

I think the Bud Light thing is the only example I can think of where that happened. But that's basically due to their target demographic being exactly the type of people who would say go woke, go broke to begin with. I think when it's a mass appeal product like most movie or games, it's probably not very relevant. It's very dependent on what the demographic for your product is.

Also, a factoid a lot of people miss, is that Bud Light was pretty big in the gay community due to being a staple of gay bars in the 80s-now. But especially in the 80s & 90s I've heard how synonymous bud light was with the scene, so when they kowtowed to the extremists in their efforts to get those people back, much of the LGBT community disavowed them. And of course most of those right-wingers pissed off about Mulvaney weren't likely to come back just cause of it.

ButteryMales posted...

Damn, this was two years ago. I haven't heard about it except for the trailer.

Oh, you mean they did a remake.

lydiaquayle posted...

Oh, you mean they did a remake.

I would say if it's accurate to the original's socioeconomic story it would be woke in the classic black civil rights way of thought.

Apparently it's been greenlighted for a 3rd season so it's not broke either.

Eh it depends on the intended audience for your product. But generally speaking, no, most people don't really care either way. You could sell Baby Nuggets made with real babies and if they were delicious, you can expect some sales. It works the other way around too though. Hogwarts Legacy sold despite backlash and it wasn't even that good of a game.

BloodMoon7 posted...

You could sell Baby Nuggets made with real babies and if they were delicious, you can expect some sales.

Soylent Green?

BTW, Usher's Super Bowl performance is the perfect example.
A bunch of right-wingers said Usher was trash, and likened it to woke broke crap.

Everyone else thought Usher was fucking amazing, and praised his showmanship and style.

Same thing happened when Beyonce released Renaissance and Lemonade albums, and a bunch of people hated how 'black' it was.

It's getting to the point where anything mainstream that sounds too much like R&B is considered 'woke'.

RISEofCHRISTIAN posted...

but when was the last time you heard Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Family Matters, or the Rush Hour Trilogy called woke?

Fresh Prince of Bel-Air is fresh in my mind since I did a full watch-through around this time last year. The first episode had Uncle Phil talking about how he faced racism that Will wouldn't believe and how he was there in person when Malcolm X gave one of his speeches. The series frequently brought up racial issues and it was littered with passive-aggressive attacks on Republicans.

If the internet had been a part of every household in 1994 the way that it is in 2024, that show absolutely would have been called woke.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Being aware of systemic racial and sexist injustice and wanting to see it go away. Or in simpler terms, being a decent person.

I feel like that's a little too far-reaching. If that's what woke is, that's what woke is. If being not-racist, not-sexist, or not-transphobic is woke, then literally every movie or show to feature a member of an underrepresented group is woke (including the previously mentioned Forspoken).

FortuneCookie posted...

I feel like that's a little too far-reaching. If that's what woke is, that's what woke is. If being not-racist, not-sexist, or not-transphobic is woke, then literally every movie or show to feature a member of an underrepresented group is woke (including the previously mentioned Forspoken).

The Marvels is literally an example of being so benignly woke, but getting a ton of flak. (OH NOES, 3 female superheroes !!!) They literally had no political messages, and it still got rammed as being the most woke movie of all time.

No, the Marvels sucked because meh acting, bad writing/ bad pacing, and bad character development. It wasn't because it was woke.

To elaborate, Fresh Prince failed to call Republicans out on harmful politics, but instead fell back on excuses like Vivian Banks and Nancy Reagan not getting along.

I'm not saying it's the best way of dealing with it, but it's still there in the subtext.

Sorry I missed this post.

lydiaquayle posted...

The Marvels is literally an example of being so benignly woke, but getting a ton of flak. (OH NOES, 3 female superheroes !!!) They literally had no political messages, and it still got rammed as being the most woke movie of all time.

No, the Marvels sucked because meh acting, bad writing/ bad pacing, and bad character development. It wasn't because it was woke.

That's why woke is such a flexible term. It has to be to suit bigots' intentions.

Their context cues will imply that woke means politically overbearing stories where White men are troglodytes, Black men are scholars and saints, women are inherently stronger and braver than men, religion is for sexual and economic predators, guns are for weak-willed cowards with murder in their heart, America is an unfixable terrorist blight upon the world, soldiers eat puppies for breakfast, etc., etc.

Then they'll turn around and get mad at a film for being "woke" because it has a Black lead.

They can't come out and say that they're mad that Black people and trans people exist, or that women exist as more than sexual conquests, without being held accountable for what they are. But they can fight this big ugly concept of "wokeness" and project it onto anything that isn't bigoted.

falayyou01 posted...

remainder are conservative, otherwise known as Chads

*Cringe*

It's obviously false because the only people who say it unironically are right-wing idiot trolls. When the hell have they ever said anything true?

ButteryMales posted...

https://youtu.be/_-_P9DPMuy8?si=uvREB0tKvnluogR7

Damn, this was two years ago. I haven't heard about it except for the trailer.

I've only watched the first season, but it's a pretty good drama.

it's modernized, still has a bit of humor, and the lead is charismatic (the rest of the cast is good, too).

Have you ever heard anyone using the phrase who wasn't either a) being ironic or b) an unquestioning consumer of Fox News level propaganda?

Because I haven't.

falayyou01 posted...

Theres arguments both ways. Barbie was incredibly successful; meanwhile Forspoken, Disney and Anheiser Busch sales dropped when they took this route.

That's not an argument for both ways.

Some movies do well. Some movies don't. It's simple math, and there's no correlation to "woke" movies.

It has nothing to do with a word you likely can't even define what it is beyond a catch all for anything with a non straight white male as the lead that makes you fee fees hurt.

falayyou01 posted...

So judging by this poll and a very small sample size, about 2/3 to 3/4 are left wing liberals and the remainder are conservative, otherwise known as Chads. Omoshiroii.

Wish I saw this post before I made my first post. Would have treated the topic accordingly.

Low effort trolling.

Unless you have been pandering to a majority conservative group? No..

It's demonstrably false.

Not only because most entertainment is "woke" (at least going by conservatives' usage of the word), but also because the highest grossing movies of last year were all "woke" (Barbie and ATSV being aggressively so, at least, again, by conservatives' standards)

Not to mention "go woke, go broke" is a massive cope line, considering right-wingers also bitch about Hollywood not wanting to fund their projects.

RISEofCHRISTIAN posted...

Disney looks to be heading that way

how are these woke? i never saw black panther 2

Disney is still conservative to its core.

FortuneCookie posted...

Before we debate whether it's an asset or a liability, can we stop to define woke?

Anything that comes across as overly, and overtly progressive and is pushed heavily in the film/show and marketing for the most part. Ghostbuster 2016 comes to mind as a extreme example.

But just being so in and of itself isnt enough. As the quality of said product is usually the biggest contributing factor. To the point that studious themselves have started using it as an excuse to either shield from, mitigate criticism or even generate buzz.

Lightyear I guess comes to mind in all these regards. Or any movie that you hear nothing else about in media.

So is go woke go broke true? Hard to say. Did the product underperform because it tried to hard to be progressive or was it just terrible?

Disney has come around to this notion after they gave the public shit like Rachel Ziegler, Wish, and Haunted Mansion, and the public said no thanks.

The only ones who go broke are the ones who do it in bad faith.

Soiderverse is a good example of it working.

Disney is not. Disney does it for attention. Spiderverse did it because it was actually telling a story about marginalized characters.

While it isnt wrong to just have black or gay people in movies (it should be normal), it feels like Disney does it for attention. Bad faith.