Board 8 > Simpsons Mafia Topic 7: Beware of the 4 finger discount

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changmas posted...

im getting very frustrated at the lack of reading comprehension

I'm trying to comprehend why you think you know what is in my role PM.

red13n posted...

I'm trying to comprehend why you think you know what is in my role PM.

basic common sense and experience with sultan as a host?

i'd be utterly shocked if your pm specified that not only are you a vigilante and a doctor, but you're also a poison doctor

You are right.

But it is basically reverse-confirmed by reading Death's PM. The strongman specifies unblockable, the poison specifies kill that takes 2 nights.

so to me that implies the poison was either stopped by something that doesn't explicitly state it could be stopped by (my bulletproof; your heal) or it went unused for some reason

What makes you think you were a day 1 poison target.

before learning about death's flip, absolutely nothing. the whole game i thought that if anything, i drew a shot on night 2.

with the benefit of retrospection, knowing what we know now, that the poison was used either night 1 or not at all, it had to be used on me, lea, or no one. so idk, why not? maybe ctes got mad he died after going after me when i taunted him on day 1?

for whatever it's worth, i still don't understand why lopen and kirby were day 1 and day 2 kills. so why not me? doesn't seem any worse than killing the two of them on the first couple days

why you and not lea?

changmas posted...

for whatever it's worth, i still don't understand why lopen and kirby were day 1 and day 2 kills.

Lopen was obvious, he looked incredibly town.

kirby I still think we can assume was a rolescan.

Theres a chance they never used their poison n1 but who knows really.

still concerning Kirby died n2. Why shoot him over Lea unless his role was valuable? I know Ive said it already but it bears repeating for thinking about the overall meta.

without Kirby we have

doc/vig
neighbor/track
cop scan
flavour scan
mayor variant

are there any notable common powers that are missing?

I guess he could have been Indy but eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

also Chang should obviously be a conditional addition to that list

Chaeix posted...

still concerning Kirby died n2. Why shoot him over Lea unless his role was valuable? I know Ive said it already but it bears repeating for thinking about the overall meta.

Because Lea was poisoned, duh?

Chaeix posted...

without Kirby we have

doc/vig
neighbor/track
cop scan
flavour scan
mayor variant

Half a cop scan, Half a flavor scan.

Keep in mind scum also had vanillaizer to theoretically take something off the board forever.

This is why I hate claiming flavor btw. None of the game had any real reason to be up front with their flavor. It had no game relevance at the time. And now we have a chance to verify something and cant because no one in the game hid a thing.

Chaeix posted...

are there any notable common powers that are missing?

roleblocker?

changmas posted...

DEFINITELY KILL SBELL OVER ULTI EVERY TIME.

nope.

changmas posted...

for whatever it's worth, i still don't understand why lopen and kirby were day 1 and day 2 kills. so why not me? doesn't seem any worse than killing the two of them on the first couple days

this feels like a stretch to make yourself seem important.

Lopen was obvious town and based on who has flipped scum I'm not surprised he's their first shot.
I think it makes the most sense they rolecoped Kirby night 1 and then followed up with the janitor. They had the ability to find a role, and then prevent us from knowing what it was. There was reason and logic behind it.

Out of the blue poisoning Chang? That's less likely a scenario based on what we know.

red13n posted...

why you and not lea?

in terms of actual motive i have no clue. maybe Ctes got mad and wanted revenge. Or that asking him to come at me sort of implied i could do or claim something to defend myself. huge stretch for sure but at this point there arent a lot of possibilities for what could have happened. I also looked very town at the beginning of d2 if you look back

game mechanics wise i think its strange that Lea would have been poisoned and never notified about it. I think every time Ive ever seen poison in a game with a healer that can heal it, its always been the poison heal happening on the following day. so Im not sure about getting poisoned and getting healed in the same night by a doctor we dont even know can heal poison. Thats not to say its impossible for the game mechanics to work this way, but it feels a bit off to me

yall just some haters tbh Im a totally reasonable nightkill target early in the game

if i did block a poison i will be gloating post-game you can mark me down for that

changmas posted...

maybe Ctes got mad and wanted revenge

that's never a thing.

changmas posted...

game mechanics wise i think its strange that Lea would have been poisoned and never notified about it. I think every time Ive ever seen poison in a game with a healer that can heal it, its always been the poison heal happening on the following day. so Im not sure about getting poisoned and getting healed in the same night by a doctor we dont even know can heal poison. Thats not to say its impossible for the game mechanics to work this way, but it feels a bit off to me

if you are poisoned you are notified, sure. but if the doc save happens simultaneously I'd say it's more like a preventing you from ever getting poisoned. So no notification.

oh goody, SBell is lecturing me on how game mechanics work with authority now

Whats even the point of having a poison extra kill when the regular doctor can heal it for free the following night with no indication that thats possible for either party?

UltimaterializerX posted...

SBell and I are both cleared. Scum cannot win in a final 3 leaving us both alive unless he decides to be dumb again.

rereading death from topic 3. I can't get to ulti as scum.

changmas posted...

oh goody, SBell is lecturing me on how game mechanics work with authority now

Whats even the point of having a poison extra kill when the regular doctor can heal it for free the following night with no indication that thats possible for either party?

I'm not lecturing. giving you alternate ways to posture

Chang comes across as seriously irritated that Sbell who he dearly wanted to lynch is alive, all but confirmed and now he is on the other end of the lynch stick.

Like lets say red healed someone else on night 1 and Lea got poisoned. Lea announces on day 2 shes poisoned. Theres absolutely nothing in reds role text to suggest he has an opportunity to heal her and save her the following night. So in that scenario theres no way he goes and heals her because everything known about the game suggests it would be a complete waste.

and so its just this massively hidden mechanic of regular doctor healing poison instantly that everyone apparently believes is obviously what happened?

because apparently thats more likely than anyone ever trying to kill the LOWLY changmas who is so irrelevant that no one would ever DREAM of removing him from the game

changmas posted...

Like lets say red healed someone else on night 1 and Lea got poisoned. Lea announces on day 2 shes poisoned. Theres absolutely nothing in reds role text to suggest he has an opportunity to heal her and save her the following night. So in that scenario theres no way he goes and heals her because everything known about the game suggests it would be a complete waste.

and so its just this massively hidden mechanic of regular doctor healing poison instantly that everyone apparently believes is obviously what happened?

because apparently thats more likely than anyone ever trying to kill the LOWLY changmas who is so irrelevant that no one would ever DREAM of removing him from the game

but it makes more sense that a BULLETproof is immune to poison?

The role pm doesn't say the target is informed. It only says it's a kill that takes two nights. Poison doesn't always inform. As written, it's just a regular shot with a delay. While we can compare it to other roles in other games, ultimately this is Sultanomics.

that would be just as hidden a mechanic as what i just laid out for the doctor

Enchantress posted...

The role pm doesn't say the target is informed. It only says it's a kill that takes two nights. Poison doesn't always inform. As written, it's just a regular shot with a delay. While we can compare it to other roles in other games, ultimately this is Sultanomics.

Well then i can block a regular shot with a delay

Sure

It's just too bad this has absolutely zero relevance as a defense and is a huge waste of time to speculate on.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/413eab6a.jpg

look Ive done the math and i can see that Im going to die today, save some miracle from red deciding weve got to kill Ben first (because Im pretty locked into godfather bulletproof at least, Ben could be godfather anything!)

so at this point barring that Id rather just die now before people have unjustly dissected every thought Ive ever had under the wrong assumption about my alignment

because I want someone to listen to me after Im dead, damnit!

can you all at least humor me and come up with a rock solid plan for what happens after i flip town

Ill stop fighting back about stuff lets just work together on a plan here

how many scum in your working theory chang? 4 or 5?

I ask cause you said Lea and Ben were trying to pull something last night

4, with almost certainty.

i said that in full blown panic thinking i was about to get blitzed and die like 20 mins into the day

changmas posted...

can you all at least humor me and come up with a rock solid plan for what happens after i flip town

So, Ben will be lynched tomorrow if you're town. I consider it locked in. Kind of in the same way yesterday we lynched Death, cheers and celebration, etc - but in the timeline where we lynch Sbell, Death almost certainly gets shot and we're in the same spot but with FD alive instead of Sbell. So I stand by the wood chipper strategy.

The only real decision point is Sbell vs Ulti in a theoretical final three. They have both have good town arguments at this point. I know you are strongly lynch Sbell over Ulti there, and I'll keep your words in mind if I'm the poor unfortunate soul still alive there.

But I'm just not sure what other decision points exist that you wanna debate or settle.

well if everyone's well aware of that then go ahead and strap me in

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/61f342b2.jpg

red13n posted...

Because Lea was poisoned, duh?

arent jacks generally limited to one power a night

so like he couldnt poison Lea if he janitord kirby

so they poisoned night 1 and red still prevented it?

OR they just never got their chance to poison. Saved it for a special end game shenanigans win and truly didn't think Death would be lynched over me.

And arguing the poison now is just scums way of misdirecting the end of the game.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/ff8f54d2.jpg

If it's a power that lies and not Ben. Then what power could it be?

Lea was confirmed by knowing Reds flavor. Could be a lucky guess.

JC is a confirmed Mayor that lynched Scum. Could be a scum mayor gambit to win. But for Scum Mayor to exist that would mean its Scums extra kill. and the poison/janitor/strongman were all just modifiers. this explains non use of poison since it just delays their only nightly kill.

Chang just claims BP and only has his play to defend him.

Red is more or less confirmed vig and doctor, circumstantiallly.

Who am I missing?

Does the timeline flow that scum couldnhave janitored a rolecopped Kirby and then Chang could have fake claimed BP.

Right, well, you guys have fun theory crafting. I gotta date with Big Pharma buying me fancy steak. Jokes on him - I would sell out for a hard roll with ketchup inside.

Yeah I'm at the point where I have nothing I want to do but nitpick Chang's posts because I've already narrowed it down to where he's the only one I'll accept being scum.

Sbell is hard cleared by Death interactions, imo.

Even if Lea wasn't confirmed by scans, I can tell you this is 100% town Lea based on play.

The others we all know why they're town. I can't accept a world where I follow Chang's lynch list he's asking to follow and it results in a win. I think most of us are in the same boat.

Speaking of nitpicking, Chang at one point today claimed his role PM says it only protects against "traditional night kills". And he suggested maybe red could have successfully shot him or poison could kill him since they're not "traditional night kills". Wouldn't that also mean Janitor would kill Chang? Strongman of course would still kill him. That's 3 nights of modifiers where scum could kill him. So if that's in his PM then what would Chang actually be protected against lol.

I don't believe Sultan, or any host, would use that wording anyway.

Ben at the start of the day: So it's just Sbell huh? or Chang....

Ben now: "I've already narrowed it down to where Chang's the only one I'll accept being scum."

lmao what kind of town player talks like this? you're so certain it's me you won't even think about other possibilities?

please kill ben within 10 minutes of tomorrow starting if he's gonna talk like this now. he doesn't even deserve a day to defend himself anymore tbh