Current Events > Miss Japan of Ukrainian descent gives up title due to affair

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ai123 posted...

Last report I read, the man had made no statement.

He posted on Instagram.

https://people.com/ukraine-born-miss-japan-renounces-title-after-affair-revealed-8559527

The doctor involved in the scandal, Takuma Maeda, also apologized for causing trouble with the affair, according to the AP.

In his statement shared Wednesday on Instagram, Maeda said he does not plan to divorce his wife and promised to invest time in his work and private life.

ai123 posted...

You brought up the comparison to Trump.You will know the point you were trying to make. I only argue that marital fidelity is not related to presidential effectiveness.

I was only bringing him up as an example of a degenerate public figure not properly held accountable for his personal life. That said the comparison would still apply in the political context of a primary; it's in one's best interests not to nominate a degenerate, since they're unlikely to win the general election. As a nominee they're definitely set to do a poor job relative to someone with a clean personal life.

the journalists that report on stuff like this are scum.

like it matters at all?

what a sad fucking story this has been, and the comments just show how completely detached from reality japanese society can be. Like they literally have people saying that "if we use western beauty standards then NO japanese woman could win" ... like that's just straight up saying you think Japanese people are uglier than other people--which, obviously, isn't the case. if anything japanese women tend to be quite attractive my american standards so it's just so totally bizarre.

to anyone that can't read between the line: they hated her b/c of race, and that motivated journalists to comb through her private life, discovering the affair, and then publishing it when the intent to basically just ruin this woman's life.

Robot2600 posted...

to anyone that can't read between the line: they hated her b/c of race, and that motivated journalists to comb through her private life, discovering the affair, and then publishing it when the intent to basically just ruin this woman's life.

Again, 2 previous miss japans were mixed, black and japanese, and indian.

and various ones have been from the Philippines.

Kimbos_Egg posted...

Again, 2 previous miss japans were mixed, black and japanese, and indian.

and various ones have been from the Philippines.

yes and florida protected trans rights circa 2011

but there is a wave of alt-right fascism across the globe. this is what it looks like in japan.

Robot2600 posted...

yes and florida protected trans rights circa 2011

but there is a wave of alt-right fascism across the globe. this is what it looks like in japan.

Ah yes, i was wondering why you had that tag. Now it makes sense.

SecretBase posted...

He posted on Instagram.

https://people.com/ukraine-born-miss-japan-renounces-title-after-affair-revealed-8559527

Says he does not plan to divorce his wife now. Not the same thing as him claiming that he never said he would (and lying about these things is common anyway).

The doctor is the one who has the family, who has obligations and a duty to be faithful. And yet she is the one people labelled the 'homewrecker'. That's the misogyny right there: why, the man would still be happily married if she hadn't come along to play Eve to his Adam.

I was only bringing him up as an example of a degenerate public figure not properly held accountable for his personal life. That said the comparison would still apply in the political context of a primary; it's in one's best interests not to nominate a degenerate, since they're unlikely to win the general election. As a nominee they're definitely set to do a poor job relative to someone with a clean personal life.

Unfaithfulness does not impact your ability to do the job once in office. And if I was going to pick an example of a politician whose infidelity cost him at an election, I'd maybe not pick Trump like you did.

ai123 posted...

The doctor is the one who has the family, who has obligations and a duty to be faithful. And yet she is the one people labelled the 'homewrecker'.

Because the other person is the cheater/adulterer. It's like how the murderer and accomplice are different people.

ai123 posted...

Unfaithfulness does not impact your ability to do the job once in office.

But it impacts one's ability to get there, hence why people would prefer to have someone else represent them.

ai123 posted...

And if I was going to pick an example of a politician whose infidelity cost him at an election, I'd maybe not pick Trump like you did.

He did get less votes, US elections are just weird.

Yeah this is more of a Japan problem than anything that is so concern regarding people's personal life, especially celebrities and public figures. Now what she did was obviously wrong, cheating with the doctor knowing he was already married, but I honestly think this is a nonsensical reason to do this. With that said, I think the whole "miss universe" thing is petty and nonsensical to begin with. The metrics they use to judge "beauty" is just stupid imo.

AceMos posted...

in other words racist bigots forced her out

Nope. Actors and idols get the same treatment.

SpiritSephiroth posted...

Nope. Actors and idols get the same treatment.

That's really not making it better.

DrizztLink posted...

That's really not making it better.

But it does explain the fact that it happens to a lot of people, regardless of blaming of racists in this topic.

Again, larger issue. I can understand idols being thrown out of a group to an extent, even though I dont agree with it.

Wait until they find out about their own leaders

SpiritSephiroth posted...

But it does explain the fact that it happens to a lot of people, regardless of blaming of racists in this topic.

Again, larger issue. I can understand idols being thrown out of a group to an extent, even though I dont agree with it.

this tbh
all celebrities in japan are under the same level of scrutiny
is it a shitty practice? yes
is it wholesale racism? no

ArsGoetia posted...

this tbh
all celebrities in japan are under the same level of scrutiny
is it a shitty practice? yes
is it wholesale racism? no

Is it particularly common for both men and women?

DrizztLink posted...

Is it particularly common for both men and women?

https://aramatheydidnt.livejournal.com/4977896.html

Happens to everyone. Tabloids like Bunshun make is their mission to piss of idols, actors and actresses. They're infamous for ruining celebrities because of affairs, behind the scenes relationships ect.

Edit: Even though nothing in that link happened, it just goes to show you even "hanging out" with another person could get you into shit with Japanese media.

Hell, Ryoko Yonekura had tabloids after her, and she's in her 40's ffs..

2nd Edit: Here's another example:

https://kbizoom.com/male-idol-wore-a-wig-and-dressed-as-woman-to-avoid-being-caught-dating/

A male idol literally had to dress up to avoid being harrassed by media and fans.

DrizztLink posted...

Is it particularly common for both men and women?

i posted two recent stories of male actors being fired/replaced/put on hiatus earlier in the topic lol
cloud strife's JP VA was prolifically active, he's had 2 roles since 2022 lol
another rising and celebrated male VA was caught cheating, replaced in everything and has had one role since 2022
and personally, i still am pissed that the singer of pyscho le cemu (man) got busted doing drugs in the mid 2000s and the entire band got blacklisted and their records were no longer sold in stores

Is Japan Grand Prix part of the Miss Universe pageant circuit ? Because the winner does not look like your typical Miss Universe competitor in terms of conventional beauty.

SpiritSephiroth posted...

Cut for length

ArsGoetia posted...

i posted two recent stories of male actors being fired/replaced/put on hiatus earlier in the topic lol
cloud strife's JP VA was prolifically active, he's had 2 roles since 2022 lol
another rising and celebrated male VA was caught cheating, replaced in everything and has had one role since 2022
and personally, i still am pissed that the singer of pyscho le cemu (man) got busted doing drugs in the mid 2000s and the entire band got blacklisted and their records were no longer sold in stores

Alright, that's some bullshit.

SecretBase posted...

He posted on Instagram.

https://people.com/ukraine-born-miss-japan-renounces-title-after-affair-revealed-8559527

The doctor involved in the scandal, Takuma Maeda, also apologized for causing trouble with the affair, according to the AP.

In his statement shared Wednesday on Instagram, Maeda said he does not plan to divorce his wife and promised to invest time in his work and private life.

She was banging an older Japanese man? Nice, white woman/Asian male couples produce some beautiful babies.

Also, she looks quite good in the photo from that article
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4fbb8700.jpg

Y'know, I've never been able to comprehend the mentality of people who knowingly get involved with someone who is already involved. Unless it's just a fling/fetish, do they just not consider how long before they're on the other end of the equation, or just think they're so good that the proverbial "shoe" won't be on the other foot?

AceMos posted...

in other words racist bigots forced her out

I mean, extramarital affairs are shitty. Scandals like that have cost people crowns before. Now, if they went digging up the dirt because she's a minority....
and they probably did, that's lousy on their part.

But I'm not going to view someone who enters an extramarital affair as a victim if all she loses is some hokey crown in a beauty pageant. If it comes out that he blackmailed her into the affair, then fuck him into hell and she should have her crown back. If she knowingly got with someone who had made a commitment to someone else, I don't feel sorry for her losing her title.

I thought everybody in Japan cheats?

dioxxys posted...

I thought everybody in Japan cheats?

The Miss X pageant circuit claims to represent wholesome feminist values. A contestant involved in an extramarital affair, or does drugs, or commits a crime, or poses nude in Playboy, etc., typically gets disqualified or outright loses their crown (remember Vanessa Williams?) . Remember, this is less about this being Japan, and more about the values of the organizations that run the female beauty pageant circuit.

As others have mentioned, celebrities who get caught cheating get hated out. If there's any racism involved, it's being overpowered by the scandal, because that will get far more significant hate.

ai123 posted...

The married person chose to ruin their marriage. They are the one who has an obligation to their family.

What man could resist a pussy so tight tho?

dioxxys posted...

I thought everybody in Japan cheats?

Yeah there was a stupid viral video of someone interviewing one women that said that, when in reality that's more of a minority opinion.

AceMos posted...

in other words racist bigots forced her out

no it's really the because of her relationship with a man,it's the idol culture thing all over again

Japan has a weird thing against famous people having a relationship

SecretBase posted...

Why are people whining about Japanese culture not honoring homewreckers?

Not every country needs to be degenerate like the US. Us having no standards for the personal lives of the celebrities we idolize is why trash like Trump get cult followings here.

people private life is not other people's business, she shouldn't have her job ruined over her personal life,she didn't committed any crime
and even with Trump, his personal life it's his business

People in public facing jobs/positions will always face scrutiny for being involved in stuff like this. They arent a faceless worker, theyre representing something, and if their actions have a negative reflection on whatever theyre representing, of course theyll get kicked to the curb. I dont think this is particularly controversial, its just how things work.

Japan, as Im aware, makes voice actors more like personality figures, which is why the examples of people losing job opportunities happened, whereas its less likely to have happened in the US. This part is more of a culture thing to be sure.

Now, whether or not a Miss Japan type thing is something of that nature well from what Ive read in the topic, its meant to be more than physical beauty, so it seems justified enough. If she denied any knowledge of it being an affair, then I would consider it unfair, theres a different between intentionally being with someone who you know has a partner, and unintentionally doing so.

PerseusRad posted...

People in public facing jobs/positions will always face scrutiny for being involved in stuff like this. They arent a faceless worker, theyre representing something, and if their actions have a negative reflection on whatever theyre representing, of course theyll get kicked to the curb. I dont think this is particularly controversial, its just how things work.

Japan, as Im aware, makes voice actors more like personality figures, which is why the examples of people losing job opportunities happened, whereas its less likely to have happened in the US. This part is more of a culture thing to be sure.

Now, whether or not a Miss Japan type thing is something of that nature well from what Ive read in the topic, its meant to be more than physical beauty, so it seems justified enough. If she denied any knowledge of it being an affair, then I would consider it unfair, theres a different between intentionally being with someone who you know has a partner, and unintentionally doing so.

how does having a relationship representing something negative? so every public figure now has to be a virgin and never have a relationship?

majin_nemesis posted...

how does having a relationship representing something negative? so every public figure now has to be a virgin and never have a relationship?

Having a relationship with a married man, Im talking about this case. Personally I dislike the idea that idols and the like have to be pure, but knowingly entering a relationship with a married man is clearly something that can be scrutinized.

PerseusRad posted...

Having a relationship with a married man, Im talking about this case. Personally I dislike the idea that idols and the like have to be pure, but knowingly entering a relationship with a married man is clearly something that can be scrutinized.

and still has nothing to do with a her job and still part of her personal life and it's nobody's business
and why does it have been scrutinized? you guys act like marriage is more important then it is, if he was single dating the other woman and having sex with miss japan you guys wouldn't care but since there's a paper saying marriage you make it a big deal,it's not

also japanese people would get mad anyway even if he wasn't married and wasn't in a relationship just because it's a relationship, miss japan can't have sex

majin_nemesis posted...

and still has nothing to do with a her job and still part of her personal life and it's nobody's business
and why does it have been scrutinized? you guys act like marriage is more important then it is, if he was single dating the other woman and having sex with miss japan you guys wouldn't care but since there's a paper saying marriage you make it a big deal,it's not

also japanese people would get mad anyway even if he wasn't married and wasn't in a relationship just because it's a relationship, miss japan can't have sex

Why are you saying "you guys" when we're just explaining to you how the culture works over there? None of us are dictating that lol.

majin_nemesis posted...

and still has nothing to do with a her job

It certainly does when your job is something like being a public figure. What you say and what you do is a representation of yourself as well as the role you occupy. It is very much the responsibility of anyone that's a public figure or role model to set a positive example and act ethically/morally. The exception being if you are the winner of the Miss Piece-Shit-Pageant, then in that case you're likely expected to act unethically

SpiritSephiroth posted...

Why are you saying "you guys" when we're just explaining to you how the culture works over there? None of us are dictating that lol.

Some people are defending it

SailorGoon posted...

It certainly does when your job is something like being a public figure. What you say and what you do is a representation of yourself as well as the role you occupy. It is very much the responsibility of anyone that's a public figure or role model to set a positive example and act ethically/morally. The exception being if you are the winner of the Miss Piece-Shit-Pageant, then in that case you're likely expected to act unethically

Nope it had nothing to do with the job and having a relationship doesn't make her a piece of shit

majin_nemesis posted...

Some people are defending it

Nope it had nothing to do with the job and having a relationship doesn't make her a piece of shit

You're being disingenuous by calling it simply a relationship. Actively engaging with a married person is quite in fact a shitty thing to do. Stop trying to defend infidelity.

SailorGoon posted...

You're being disingenuous by calling it simply a relationship. Actively engaging with a married person is quite in fact a shitty thing to do. Stop trying to defend infidelity.

It's not,marriage is just a piece of paper and if the married man is with her it's because the relationship with his wife doesn't exist anymore or else he wouldn't be with her in the first place

You guys make marriage sound sacred when it's just a business document that's all

majin_nemesis posted...

It's not,marriage is just a piece of paper and if the married man is with her it's because the relationship with his wife doesn't exist anymore or else he wouldn't be with her in the first place

You guys make marriage sound sacred when it's just a business document that's all

The man expressed he had no intention of leaving his wife. Doesn't matter how you view marriage. At the end of the day it's a legally binding oath. Miss [enter country name here] is a title that you receive based on the merits of your appearance and character. She won under the false pretense of having a character deemed as adequate. People are within their rights to revoke their acceptance based off her unethical decision to knowingly disturb the legal contract between another couple and in addition lie about it to multiple degrees when confronted.

She truly is Miss Japan.

Seriously, scandals like that fucking over Idols, Actors, Voice Actors, Models, etc., is par for the course over there.

Japanese incels are worse than American incels in this arena. And it takes a lot of fucking vitriol to outdo American incels.

SailorGoon posted...

The man expressed he had no intention of leaving his wife. Doesn't matter how you view marriage. At the end of the day it's a legally binding oath. Miss [enter country name here] is a title that you receive based on the merits of your appearance and character. She won under the false pretense of having a character deemed as adequate. People are within their rights to revoke their acceptance based off her unethical decision to knowingly disturb the legal contract between another couple and in addition lie about it to multiple degrees when confronted.

lol at all of that
first if he had no intention to leave his wife then he shouldn't have been with the miss second people are together because they like each other and not because of what a peace of paper says

and since when is miss a title you receive for your character? i'm sure everyone that is looking at miss contest with all of the misses in swimsuit really cares about their character,their character is totally something the judges will judge, look at all that character in a swimsuit

and her job still has nothing to do with her personal life, it's not the jobs job to enforce people's personal life,also it's not the fact that she was dating a married men it's the fact she was dating at all, she has to look virgin and available for the all the fans of misses to think they can have her

majin_nemesis posted...

Some people are defending it

Nope it had nothing to do with the job and having a relationship doesn't make her a piece of shit

She isnt just having a relationship lmao thats not the problem here. She was having an affair with a married man.

Apparently some people see nothing wrong with adultery? I dunno

If you are married and want to have sex with someone else get a divorce first. If you want to have sex with a married person tell them to get a divorce first. Its not that hard.

Damn_Underscore posted...

Apparently some people see nothing wrong with adultery? I dunno

If you are married and want to have sex with someone else get a divorce first. If you want to have sex with a married person tell them to get a divorce first. Its not that hard.

I guess thats just western ideology. Everywhere else it's still a big deal.

Damn_Underscore posted...

Apparently some people see nothing wrong with adultery? I dunno

If you are married and want to have sex with someone else get a divorce first. If you want to have sex with a married person tell them to get a divorce first. Its not that hard.

if it was a person dating another and then have sex with another would you care or you just care because a paper saying marriage?

also what about people that are a separated but still married because reasons does it still matter in that case?

majin_nemesis posted...

if it was a person dating another and then have sex with another would you care or you just care because a paper saying marriage?

also what about people that are a separated but still married because reasons does it still matter in that case?

its because cheating is wrong dude.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

its because cheating is wrong dude.

but she wasn't the one that cheated also there's so many wrong things that people do why care so much about a personal relationship? for vegans for example eating meat is wrong should she lose her win and her job because she ate meat? her personal life has nothing to do with being a miss

It's scummy on both sides. The man for cheating on his wife and her for screwing a married man. It'd be better of she wasn't aware he was married but that probably isn't the case. With all that said, as crappy of a thing it is to do, it's not a crime. And it's nobody's business except for the parties involved. They can make her resign, put an asterisk on it, give it to the runner up, but she won and she knows it and they know it.

majin_nemesis posted...

but she wasn't the one that cheated also there's so many wrong things that people do why care so much about a personal relationship? for vegans for example eating meat is wrong should she lose her win and her job because she ate meat? her personal life has nothing to do with being a miss

If you are aware youre seeing someone who has a relationship you are contributing to the cheating, and are a shitty person because of it.

Are you seriously trying to compare a vegan eating meat to cheating with a married man? Im not even saying she should have her title stripped, but these are some ridiculous comparisons youre making

I think its pretth racist for people to just assume racism in this case.

Japanese culture is pretty weird when it comes to relationships.

I think i remember hearing how idols have to not have boyfriends or keep them veru secret.