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Enclave posted...

The solution to their problem here is instead of getting rid of the comet to just not give a timeline for when the comet will next arrive.

Which is probably what they are doing. The crew are probably aware they might not even make it to the end. Given how Netflix is. If they are renewed for more seasons and know they can tell the whole story they can bring in the Comet as the fire nation's end game.

AceMos posted...

and yet its korra who gets called a mary sue

lets break this down

aang struggles with earh bending for ONE EPISODE then never has issues with it again

korra struggles with air bending for an entire season and even after that she is never exactly a top tier air bender

aang is always right any time a character disagrees with aang they go through development to learn he was right

korra is constantly wrong and has to learn lessons and figure out how to be the avatar in a changing world

aang recovers from the trauma he suffers in the season 2 final

korra spends all of season 4 recovering from her trauma at the fall out of season 3

hell korra suffers trauma i n every season final except the last

Aang was such a mary-sue. Except yanno he wasn't above lying, goofing off, arguing with people, losing his temper, being rude, letting his ego get the better of him, stealing, or scamming people out of cash. What he did do was learn from his mistakes, and he admitted he was wrong. No one will ever accuse him of being flawless. But sure keep on.

People tend to dislike Korra because she's an unlikable pain in the ass.

Venixon posted...

Aang was such a mary-sue. Except yanno he wasn't above lying, goofing off, arguing with people, losing his temper, being rude, letting his ego get the better of him, stealing, or scamming people out of cash. What he did do was learn from his mistakes, and he admitted he was wrong. No one will ever accuse him of being flawless. But sure keep on.

People tend to dislike Korra because she's an unlikable pain in the ass.

korra developed passed her flaws and she never scammed people or stole anything

Venixon posted...

Aang was such a mary-sue. Except yanno he wasn't above lying, goofing off, arguing with people, losing his temper, being rude, letting his ego get the better of him, stealing, or scamming people out of cash. What he did do was learn from his mistakes, and he admitted he was wrong. No one will ever accuse him of being flawless. But sure keep on.

People tend to dislike Korra because she's an unlikable pain in the ass.

She wasn't accusing Aang of being flawless. She was just saying he had things easier then Korra, which is true.

And I agree that Korra starts off as an unlikable character but I feel she gets better over time.

Besides there is a more unlikable pain in the ass in that series, one who only gets worse as the show goes on. Mako.

creativerealms posted...

Besides there is a more unlikable pain in the ass in that series, one who only gets worse as the show goes on. Mako.

mako was likable in season 4 when he had fully become the butt monkey

AceMos posted...

and what if when writing season 3 the story has gone it sown direction and the comet would not work anymore

what if they come up with a new idea

I have absolutely zero trust in the writers so far to think they are capable of coming up with a better idea than what the original writers did.

creativerealms posted...

Which is probably what they are doing. The crew are probably aware they might not even make it to the end. Given how Netflix is. If they are renewed for more seasons and know they can tell the whole story they can bring in the Comet as the fire nation's end game.

If the article is to be believed they won't even mention the comet at all in season 1 which seems pointless to do when they could treat it exactly the same way the cartoon does even early on just without making some statement on a firm timeline for when the comet will arrive.

Enclave posted...

I have absolutely zero trust in the writers so far to think they are capable of coming up with a better idea than what the original writers did.

why

AceMos posted...

why

Because of all the other nonsense that has come out about the show the last week? I'm expecting hot garbage at this point.

The writing was on the wall as soon as the original creators peaced out.

Enclave posted...

Because of all the other nonsense that has come out about the show the last week? I'm expecting hot garbage at this point.

you mean the other stuff ppl have miss represented

like the sokka sexism thing that cut the added context they are focusing on other aspects of sokkas character

or this very scenario where they just mentioned the comment wont come up because they wont be sure of character ages when they get to season 3

the show is not going to copy the original THANK GOD

i wish they would change MORE

i love the original but i want to see NEW takes on the story not just a rehash of the old one

AceMos posted...

you mean the other stuff ppl have miss represented

like the sokka sexism thing that cut the added context they are focusing on other aspects of sokkas character

or this very scenario where they just mentioned the comment wont come up because they wont be sure of character ages when they get to season 3

the show is not going to copy the original THANK GOD

i wish they would change MORE

i love the original but i want to see NEW takes on the story not just a rehash of the old one

They're changing Sokka, they're changing Katara, they're changing Aang, they're wanting to target a Game of Thrones audience apparently.

Congrats, you want a bastardized version of the show, I'm sure you'd also like the Netflix Cowboy Bepop adaptation.

Enclave posted...

They're changing Sokka, they're changing Katara, they're changing Aang, they're wanting to target a Game of Thrones audience apparently.

Congrats, you want a bastardized version of the show, I'm sure you'd also like the Netflix Cowboy Bepop adaptation.

yes actually i do whats wrong with that

i bet you utterly despise the DCAU for how it "bastardized" the source material of the comics

oh wait you have nostalgia for that so its ok for the writers to do new things with the IP

seriously adaptions change things all the time but it was only recently fans became so entitled they felt they where "owed" things to be done a certain way

AceMos posted...

yes actually i do whats wrong with that

i bet you utterly despise the DCAU for how it "bastardized" the source material of the comics

oh wait you have nostalgia for that so its ok for the writers to do new things with the IP

seriously adaptions change things all the time but it was only recently fans became so entitled they felt they where "owed" things to be done a certain way

Because fandom are hive minds and incapable of the critical thinking necessary to point out how some changes arent necessarily for the better?

Adaptations change things all the time, but how well those changes hold up can vary wildly.

Fenrir_Howls posted...

Because fandom are hive minds and incapable of the critical thinking necessary to point out how some changes arent necessarily for the better?

Adaptations change things all the time, but how well those changes hold up can vary wildly.

and stories hit different people in different ways

so what is a good or bad change can vary as well

AceMos posted...

yes actually i do whats wrong with that

i bet you utterly despise the DCAU for how it "bastardized" the source material of the comics

oh wait you have nostalgia for that so its ok for the writers to do new things with the IP

seriously adaptions change things all the time but it was only recently fans became so entitled they felt they where "owed" things to be done a certain way

Because at the end of the day with something like the MCU or DCU they are adapting parts from the source and crafting it as its own since in a technical aspects the comic universe allow for such a wiggle room to happen.

Where as the live action shows and movies based on cartoon shows are already at a difficult task to adapt the shows and in their attempts to claim they are trying to respect the source they do shit that really screws it up harder.

Like we shit on the Last Airbender movie because of acting choices and direction for sure but with other shows we arent allowed to criticize them for their changes?

AceMos posted...

yes actually i do whats wrong with that

i bet you utterly despise the DCAU for how it "bastardized" the source material of the comics

oh wait you have nostalgia for that so its ok for the writers to do new things with the IP

seriously adaptions change things all the time but it was only recently fans became so entitled they felt they where "owed" things to be done a certain way

Change for changes sake is pointless. Look at the One Piece adaptation, it had some changes but it was on the whole pretty faithful. Meanwhile you look at Cowboy Bebop and it was just ridiculous.

I'm sure if this adaptation fails you're going to blame nostalgia, you're already doing it here regarding what I'm saying after all, I doubt you'll consider for a second that maybe what they made was just bad.

look at the live action one piece adaption it changed things and its great

and you just made an exception for things you like even thoe they made MASSIVE changes to the source material

its just your own bias

hell starship troopers is an adaption of a novel and most ppl prefer the movie which is very very different

yes some adaptions like the last airbender film are garbage

but that dont mean every adaption will be bad

you brought up cowboy bebop so let me explain why i like the live action adaption

it lets ppl besides spike actually do something

faye was nothing but eye candy in the original needing spike to rescue her several times and the camera making sure to make lots of panning shots to show how sexy she was

she was not allowed to catch any MAJOR bounties herself

so yea i like both the original anime and the live action cowboy bebop i think they are both enjoyable for different reasons

AceMos posted...

look at the live action one piece adaption it changed things and its great

and you just made an exception for things you like even thoe they made MASSIVE changes to the source material

its just your own bias

hell starship troopers is an adaption of a novel and most ppl prefer the movie which is very very different

yes some adaptions like the last airbender film are garbage

but that dont mean every adaption will be bad

you brought up cowboy bebop so let me explain why i like the live action adaption

it lets ppl besides spike actually do something

faye was nothing but eye candy in the original needing spike to rescue her several times and the camera making sure to make lots of panning shots to show how sexy she was

she was not allowed to catch any MAJOR bounties herself

so yea i like both the original anime and the live action cowboy bebop i think they are both enjoyable for different reasons

And yet with Cowboy Bebop they massively changed a key dynamic that would have impacted the final clash.

AceMos posted...

look at the live action one piece adaption it changed things and its great

and you just made an exception for things you like even thoe they made MASSIVE changes to the source material

its just your own bias

hell starship troopers is an adaption of a novel and most ppl prefer the movie which is very very different

yes some adaptions like the last airbender film are garbage

but that dont mean every adaption will be bad

you brought up cowboy bebop so let me explain why i like the live action adaption

it lets ppl besides spike actually do something

faye was nothing but eye candy in the original needing spike to rescue her several times and the camera making sure to make lots of panning shots to show how sexy she was

she was not allowed to catch any MAJOR bounties herself

so yea i like both the original anime and the live action cowboy bebop i think they are both enjoyable for different reasons

You mean the adaptation that had the creator on board and working closely with the writers to stop them from going off the rails?

I'd be a whole lot less concerned about Avatar if the original writers were involved too.

Enclave posted...

Change for changes sake is pointless. Look at the One Piece adaptation, it had some changes but it was on the whole pretty faithful. Meanwhile you look at Cowboy Bebop and it was just ridiculous.

Wouldnt go that far. It tries to capture certain story beats while trimming the fat, but took bits of the meat with it.

Baha05 posted...

And yet with Cowboy Bebop they massively changed a key dynamic that would have impacted the final clash.

so you just wanted the exact same story told to you again with no changes

better not like any disney movie ever with how much they change from the source material of the original fairy tails

Enclave posted...

You mean the adaptation that had the creator on board and working closely with the writers to stop them from going off the rails?

I'd be a whole lot less concerned about Avatar if the original writers were involved too.

Perhaps, but arguably Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory is an example of the author disapproving of the material (Namely the Gobstopper test and Fizzy Lifting drinks scene), but still being good in it's own right.

AceMos posted...

so you just wanted the exact same story told to you again with no changes

better not like any disney movie ever with how much they change from the source material of the original fairy tails

When it comes to major changes like that for something trying to be faithful yes.

And Disney does what Disney does and most of us probably never read the source materials prior to seeing those movies where as I bet a decent if not most people that watched the live action Cowboy Bebop has seen the anime.

To me, pretty much all of the "heinous changes" they've said to be making are just a consequence of turning a twenty-two episode cartoon into an eight episode live action series.

Antiyonder posted...

Perhaps, but arguably Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory is an example of the author disapproving of the material (Namely the Gobstopper test and Fizzy Lifting drinks scene), but still being good in it's own right.

Yet with that they dont try to turn around making Charlies mom into an evil villain.

Baha05 posted...

When it comes to major changes like that for something trying to be faithful yes.

And Disney does what Disney does and most of us probably never read the source materials prior to seeing those movies where as I bet a decent if not most people that watched the live action Cowboy Bebop has seen the anime.

so again its because you grew up with a specific thing that makes it sacrosanct but things you didnt grow up with are allowed to make changes

ppl like you are why transformers is stuck with G1 nostalgia pandering

and pokemon is stuck with G1

and power rangers worshiping mighty morphin

your afraid of NEW things being done

Are they removing it or pushing it?

AceMos posted...

so again its because you grew up with a specific thing that makes it sacrosanct but things you didnt grow up with are allowed to make changes

ppl like you are why transformers is stuck with G1 nostalgia pandering

and pokemon is stuck with G1

and power rangers worshiping mighty morphin

your afraid of NEW things being done

Nope I am not afraid of change I am more mad when people claim to do faithful adaptations of things and do major changes that fuck up established characters. Which is a part of the problem some live action shows can suffer from.

Baha05 posted...

Yet with that they dont try to turn around making Charlies mom into an evil villain.

Some would say that giving Charlie a flaw or mistake like we got is making him a bad kid entirely and thus being as bad as the other kids.

Case in point,

Baha05 posted...

Nope I am not afraid of change I am more mad when people claim to do faithful adaptations of things and do major changes that fuck up established characters. Which is a part of the problem some live action shows can suffer from.

I mean the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory film in contrast makes him exactly as he was in the book, which yeah is going too overboard in him being a good kid.

With adaptations you can't just change things for the sake of changing things but they should not be one to one recreations ether. There has to be the sense that the people making the show respect the source material and the creator while they are still making changes to make it work for the new medium.

Very few get it right. That's why One Piece succeeded where most failed. It managed to find that balance.

Avatar seems to be making less changes then One Piece made to be honest but then it's only turning 20 episodes into eight episodes instead of 45.

creativerealms posted...

With adaptations you can't just change things for the sake of changing things

most disney animated films make MASSIVE changes to the original material

the little mermaid barely has anything in common with the original story for example

AceMos posted...

most disney animated films make MASSIVE changes to the original material

the little mermaid barely has anything in common with the original story for example

Love how you ignored the rest of that post.

Yeah, you look at the other adaptations of Beauty and the Beast, plus the original, the Disney version ironically does the opposite of the Stockholm Syndrome.

Antiyonder posted...

Yeah, you look at the other adaptations of Beauty and the Beast, plus the original, the Disney version ironically does the opposite of the Stockholm Syndrome.

oh lets not forget how much was changed for hercules

AceMos posted...

oh lets not forget how much was changed for hercules

Mythology is general isnt consistent with stories and there is no way to get a family-friendly telling of Heracles story without

It also feels like were ignoring intent behind various adaptations since some do try to pass themselves off as true to form while others make it clear theyre attempting to be distinct from the original.

the point is stories change constantly its the nature of storytelling

some times you get some great some times you get something bad

but wanting stories to stay the same goes against the nature of storytelling

AceMos posted...

the point is stories change constantly its the nature of storytelling

some times you get some great some times you get something bad

but wanting stories to stay the same goes against the nature of storytelling

U til the changes is done to something you like.

Baha05 posted...

U til the changes is done to something you like.

i love avatar the last airbender

AceMos posted...

i love avatar the last airbender

And the movie?

Baha05 posted...

And the movie?

no the cartoon

my favorite movie of all time is the land before time

if it got a remake i would NOT want it to copy the original id want a fresh take on the story even if i ended up not liking the new take even if i ended up hating it i still would not want a copy of the original

SaikyoStyle posted...

For me it was more yeah right this little dude is gonna master three different martial arts disciplines in less than a school year.

Aang didn't master anything other than Airbending though, Katara and Toph both make a point that his Waterbending and Earthbending still needed a lot of work by end of the series.

AceMos posted...

my favorite movie of all time is the land before time

if it got a remake i would NOT want it to copy the original id want a fresh take on the story even if i ended up not liking the new take even if i ended up hating it i still would not want a copy of the original

The Land Before Time is a damn fine film. That was my favorite movie as a child and it still holds up exceptionally well.

"We couldn't do this because of the problems of it not being animated"

so why are you doing it at all

Is anyone clamoring to watch live action Samurai Jack, Robot Boy or Xialon Showdown? No?

Honestly just let Avatar pass on and maybe reincarnate into a worthy spiritual successor.

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

Aang didn't master anything other than Airbending though, Katara and Toph both make a point that his Waterbending and Earthbending still needed a lot of work by end of the series.

Seems they were wrong.

SaikyoStyle posted...

Seems they were wrong.

Aang barely had a couple months to learn firebending, and you can tell considering how little he actually used it against Ozai before going into the Avatar state, even with the comet buff. I'd argue that he at least mastered waterbending by the end (sans any extra techniques like ice and healing), but definitely not fire and earth. What he learned within a year just happened to be enough to take on Ozai alone. Realistically the only technique he actually needed for the final fight was the lightning redirecting. Once Ozai saw he could potentially get one-shotted by his own lightning he stopped using it.

Looks like they are not addressing Sozins Comet yet until they get a better flow of the timeline because characters age in real life, which is honestly fair. They can introduce something else as a ticking time bomb instead or give some other plot points as a means to move the plot forward, or introduce it later in the series with a little bit more generous time to take into account the actors aging.

MorganTJ posted...

Aang barely had a couple months to learn firebending, and you can tell considering how little he actually used it against Ozai before going into the Avatar state, even with the comet buff. I'd argue that he at least mastered waterbending by the end (sans any extra techniques like ice and healing), but definitely not fire and earth. What he learned within a year just happened to be enough to take on Ozai alone. Realistically the only technique he actually needed for the final fight was the lightning redirecting. Once Ozai saw he could potentially get one-shotted by his own lightning he stopped using it.

He was chucking entire mountains and was able to use earthbending sight.

SaikyoStyle posted...

He was chucking entire mountains and was able to use earthbending sight.

In fact, he earthbended a boulder to block Ozai's flames. With his feet. While backflipping. And already falling several feet in the air.

Also he managed to pull off lightning redirection on the spot while rolling to recover from dodging lightning.

Even ignoring how he turns Avatar State on like a light switch, he's certifiably a master in everything except maybe ice and lightning.