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MistyKnight
11/16/23 12:31:50 PM
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Whelp

https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1725183891760382392?t=Vu77Onm1ycgllS6SUDzEkA&s=19

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Tyranthraxus
11/16/23 12:34:20 PM
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Chalmers: Hamas. At this time of year. In this place. Localized entirely under a hospital?

Netanyahu: Yes

Chalmers: Well can I see it?

Netanyahu: No.

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Jagr_68
11/16/23 12:35:36 PM
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oy vey spaghettios

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JuanCarlos1
11/16/23 12:37:10 PM
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Saw a video of an IDF soldier wrongly translating Arabic words from stuff laying around a hospital as terrorist plans.

-_-

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aarrgus
11/16/23 12:37:14 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Chalmers: Hamas. At this time of year. In this place. Localized entirely under a hospital?

Netanyahu: Yes

Chalmers: Well can I see it?

Netanyahu: No.

lol

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s0nicfan
11/16/23 12:46:39 PM
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JuanCarlos1 posted...
Saw a video of an IDF soldier wrongly translating Arabic words from stuff laying around a hospital as terrorist plans.

-_-

It was a calendar. What he said were terrorist names were just days of the week. But the calendar itself did explicitly mention hamas's operation at the top:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/93c102bc.jpg

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rynobot
11/16/23 12:54:01 PM
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Liars, if you still believe anything Israel tells you then you, well....

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Trumble
11/16/23 12:54:54 PM
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Who could possibly have seen this coming. Well, except everyone.

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Starks
11/16/23 12:57:12 PM
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So what's next? Search Khan Younis?

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Antifar
11/16/23 12:58:25 PM
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Pobody's Nerfect

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Foppe
11/16/23 12:58:47 PM
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We also found the remains of Jimmy Hoffa!

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s0nicfan
11/16/23 12:59:37 PM
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Starks posted...
So what's next? Search Khan Younis?

There's apparently armored bulldozers at the site and a plastic surgeon in the hospital has explicitly confirmed that there are tunnels underneath, so my guess is they start breaking ground until they find the entrance.

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Intro2Logic
11/16/23 1:01:34 PM
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Did they find Saddam's WMDs?

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Zero_Destroyer
11/16/23 1:03:31 PM
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I have no idea how you can grow up under the Bush admin circa early 00s and believe the IDF. It's the same hysterical playbook where they take a tragedy and turn into a mandated military operation and lie constantly

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Trumble
11/16/23 1:05:47 PM
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Zero_Destroyer posted...
I have no idea how you can grow up under the Bush admin circa early 00s and believe the IDF. It's the same hysterical playbook where they take a tragedy and turn into a mandated military operation and lie constantly
I'm pretty sure that no one shilling for the IDF actually believes what they say; but pretending to believe it gives them an excuse they can use instead of admitting why they really support IDF's actions.

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Cemith
11/16/23 1:06:45 PM
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Foppe posted...
We also found the remains of Jimmy Hoffa!

e gads

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LaLeyenda
11/16/23 1:08:34 PM
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But did they find Adolf Hitler's body?

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Letron_James
11/16/23 1:09:32 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
It was a calendar. What he said were terrorist names were just days of the week. But the calendar itself did explicitly mention hamas's operation at the top:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/93c102bc.jpg

Im sure an IDFD totally didnt scribble that in lmao

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AltAccount3
11/16/23 1:15:26 PM
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Careful. This tweet does not explicitly say "Hamas isn't under the hospital". If you look closely at the text, it's stating that the evidence the IDF showed yesterday did not show an HQ or signs of tunnels, and that the IDF isn't scheduled to show more evidence of whatever they found at this time.

I don't think Hamas is under there, but we have to wait before calling this one.

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Trumble
11/16/23 1:17:33 PM
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AltAccount3 posted...
Careful. This tweet does not explicitly say "Hamas isn't under the hospital". If you look closely at the text, it's stating that the evidence the IDF showed yesterday did not show an HQ or signs of tunnels, and that the IDF isn't scheduled to show more evidence of whatever they found at this time.

I don't think Hamas is under there, but we have to wait before calling this one.
If Israel had evidence, you know they'd be pushing it with all their strength. If such a base existed, IDF would have the intelligence capabilities to find it. While you're right that absence of evidence is not concrete evidence of absence, in this context it is *very* damning.

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s0nicfan
11/16/23 1:17:44 PM
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Letron_James posted...
Im sure an IDFD totally didnt scribble that in lmao

So the guy who couldn't read Arabic just threw it on there right before he turned on the camera and mistranslated the days of the week as terrorist names? Really?

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Sandalorn
11/16/23 1:20:17 PM
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Well, I think it is time to bring in Geraldo.

People still believing the IDF about anything are beyond saving.

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AltAccount3
11/16/23 1:21:49 PM
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Trumble posted...
If Israel had evidence, you know they'd be pushing it with all their strength. If such a base existed, IDF would have the intelligence capabilities to find it. While you're right that absence of evidence is not concrete evidence of absence, in this context it is *very* damning.
Oh I agree with you 100%. I certainly am not going to bash anyone for posting this news. For my thread though, I deleted the news just to be safe. Wanna avoid anything misleading.

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rynobot
11/16/23 1:34:25 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
So the guy who couldn't read Arabic just threw it on there right before he turned on the camera and mistranslated the days of the week as terrorist names? Really?
Clueless

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Sandalorn
11/16/23 1:58:44 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]



Yep...That MASSIVE Arsenal.

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Stagmar
11/16/23 8:32:15 PM
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Im not sure why they made that press release when theyre now showing what they claim is a tunnel entrance.

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Foppe
11/17/23 1:57:27 AM
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There is a tunnel, we promise!
No, we cant show you it.
That we move mining equipment into the hospital is totally unrelated!

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kirbymuncher
11/17/23 2:00:51 AM
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Letron_James posted...
Im sure an IDFD totally didnt scribble that in lmao
if they were going to write something in to stage the whole picture why would they not write something othter than... the days of the week... which are totally normal to have on a calendar

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hockeybub89
11/17/23 2:26:39 AM
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Israel: We have to go deeper!

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Foppe
11/17/23 2:46:47 AM
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kirbymuncher posted...
if they were going to write something in to stage the whole picture why would they not write something othter than... the days of the week... which are totally normal to have on a calendar
The weekdays were already there, they added the reference to the attack at the top?

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cjsdowg
11/17/23 8:25:57 AM
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Didn't the people at the Hospital offer to let inspectors in

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Irony
11/17/23 8:29:51 AM
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Biden: "This is fine"

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Ricemills
11/17/23 8:38:03 AM
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People already forget that the "40 decapitated babies" is a fake news, they will just pump out new lies.

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UnfairRepresent
11/17/23 8:38:48 AM
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aarrgus posted...
Chalmers: Hamas. At this time of year. In this place. Localized entirely under a hospital?

Netanyahu: Yes

Chalmers: Well can I see it?

Netanyahu: No.
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Strider102
11/17/23 8:43:55 AM
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I, for one, am absolutely shocked.

Shocked I tell you.

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s0nicfan
11/19/23 4:08:39 PM
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They found the tunnels, btw:
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67466779
In the last few minutes, the Israeli military has released footage which it says shows a "55m-long terror tunnel, 10m deep underneath the Shifa hospital".

In the video, the entrance to a deep staircase is shown at ground level, among rubble in the al-Shifa complex.

Once at the bottom, troops appear to walk along a well-constructed tunnel shaft that leads to a heavy door.

"This type of door is used by the Hamas terrorist organisation to block Israeli forces from entering the command centres and the underground assets belonging to Hamas," the Israel Defense Forces (DF) say in a statement, adding that investigations "are continuing to uncover the route of the tunnel".

The Israeli forces have claimed for weeks that Hamas has a command and control centre underneath al-Shifa - allegations the group and medical staff at the hospital deny.

Last week, the US said its intelligence similarly suggested Hamas has a network underneath
al-Shifa.

And also evidence that hostages were taken to that hospital:
Daniel Hagari, the IDF spokesperson, shows reporters CCTV footage that he says is from al-Shifa on 7 October - when Hamas attacked Israel.

The IDF spokesperson says it shows two hostages kidnapped from Israel, one of whom is bleeding on his arm, being brought to the hospital.

"We don't know where these hostages are now," he says.

He also shows images he says show an IDF jeep taken from Israel at the hospital, as well as a white pick-up that he says was of the type used by Hamas commandos when they attacked Israel.

"By now the truth is clear - Hamas is waging terror from hospitals," Hagari says.


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Zikten
11/19/23 4:10:45 PM
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So now all hospitals will be destroyed
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legendary_zell
11/19/23 4:23:02 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
They found the tunnels, btw:
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67466779

And also evidence that hostages were taken to that hospital:


My understanding was that it's not unusual for there to be tunnels under hospitals there and that this doesn't necessarily make them "terror tunnels." There's a lot of "this is the type of X Hamas uses and the type of Y Hamas uses" without actual evidence of a connection. And this characterization is coming directly from the IDF itself. I could be wrong though because I have no experience with tunnels, terrorism, or hospitals.

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s0nicfan
11/19/23 4:32:50 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
My understanding was that it's not unusual for there to be tunnels under hospitals there and that this doesn't necessarily make them "terror tunnels." There's a lot of "this is the type of X Hamas uses and the type of Y Hamas uses" without actual evidence of a connection. And this characterization is coming directly from the IDF itself. I could be wrong though because I have no experience with tunnels, terrorism, or hospitals.

Maybe, but it's more evidence in support of the claims, at the very least.

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Lorenzo_2003
11/19/23 4:48:20 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Maybe, but it's more evidence in support of the claims, at the very least.

The mistake here is in thinking that literally any evidence, from either a quality or quantity standpoint, is going to be convincing to anti-Israeli proponents. Theyve already made up their minds.

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Fenriswolf
11/19/23 5:49:46 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


And then they claimed that one of the guns was hidden behind a MRI machine - which obviously doesn't make sense since it interferes with the machine.

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Fenriswolf
11/19/23 5:51:22 PM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...
The mistake here is in thinking that literally any evidence, from either a quality or quantity standpoint, is going to be convincing to anti-Israeli proponents. Theyve already made up their minds.

LOL people have no obligation to believe the boy that cries wolf.

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Kradek
11/19/23 5:53:13 PM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...
The mistake here is in thinking that literally any evidence, from either a quality or quantity standpoint, is going to be convincing to anti-Israeli proponents. Theyve already made up their minds.

The exact same thing can be said for those who lap up any and everything Israel puts out even though they've been objectively exposed as liars in the past who will lie to justify their atrocities.

Neither Hamas/the Gazan government nor the Israeli government is trustworthy in any information they put out. Their own damn Israeli media has been exposing them since Oct 7th and there are still people who just shovel whatever shit the Israeli government makes right into their mouths.

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Fenriswolf
11/19/23 5:59:24 PM
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JuanCarlos1 posted...
Saw a video of an IDF soldier wrongly translating Arabic words from stuff laying around a hospital as terrorist plans.

-_-

They also sent in "medical supplies" into the hospital right around the time they stormed in. The only problem is that 1) Neither Israel nor Gaza use English as a primary language 2) Actual medical supplies actually say what they contain and are separated into categories

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9f10741e.jpg

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hereforemnant
11/19/23 6:01:31 PM
#48:


Didn't the IDF build those tunnels previously years & years ago?

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Antifar
11/19/23 6:02:02 PM
#49:


They knew there would be tunnels under the hospital; it was built by Israel the 80s
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fact-check-did-israel-build-bunker-under-shifa-hospital/ar-AA1jZnXA

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Forty_Niners
11/19/23 6:07:34 PM
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55 meters doesn't seem very long. That's like a half of a football field.

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