Board 8 > Most Evil Fictional Character: Frieza vs. Alex DeLarge

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Welcome to the 2023 edition of Most Evil Fictional Character, a single-elimination tournament to determine the most evil fictional character of all time!

Here's the bracket:

https://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=477621&tclass=

And here's the discussion topic:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80568652

And here are the rules:

-First and foremost, YOU MUST BOLD YOUR VOTE FOR IT TO COUNT. The reason for this is that these topics encourage a lot of discussion and debate, and it helps me to distinguish a vote from simple discussion if all votes are bolded. So, I state again, ALL VOTES MUST BE BOLDED FOR THEM TO COUNT. I reserve the right to be lenient in early topics if people just aren't getting it, but for the most part, IF YOUR VOTE ISN'T BOLDED, IT WON'T COUNT.

-You must vote for which of the two characters you honestly believe to be the more evil of the two. You can determine this via any method you like, use your own morals and judgement, read all the arguments made to determine your choice, or however you choose to make your pick, but you must only vote for the one you truly believe is the most evil. This isn't a death battle, or a popularity contest. You're voting ONLY for the most evil character out of the two choices presented.

-While on that subject, remember that because this isn't a death battle or a fighting tournament, do your absolute best to consider the two characters as if their power levels were equal (either the weaker character brought up to the level of the strongest, or vice versa, or both if you want to consider both possibilities). Therefore, just because, for example, one of the characters blew up a planet and the other one merely kicked a puppy, doesn't necessarily mean the planet killer is more evil than the puppy kicker. Consider the characters as if they have the exact same capabilities and what they might do in that scenario.

-You can make any arguments, debates, etc. you want in this topic. Discussion is STRONGLY encouraged, a fun debate about which of the two characters is most evil is exactly what these topics are for. Just don't make it personal, no insults or flaming, keep things civil even if you disagree. Also, no vote rallying, if you want to encourage people to vote for your character you need to at least make some semblance of an argument as to why, even if it's just "Character X did (really dastardly thing), I can't believe no one's voting for them!"

-Voting will continue for exactly 24 hours after the post is made. If there's a tie, there will be a new 24 hour topic. This will continue indefinitely until a winner is determined.

-YOU MUST BOLD YOUR VOTE FOR IT TO COUNT.

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The following write-ups will contain untagged SPOILERS for Dragonball Z/Super and A Clockwork Orange.

FRIEZA

Frieza is a major antagonist in the Dragonball anime and manga.

After inheriting Cold's imperialist army and rising to power as the emperor of Universe 7 at a young age, Frieza quickly established himself as a ruthless tyrant, feared across the universe for his unparalleled cruelty and power. After one of the races he subjugated, the Saiyans, attempted to revolt against him, the tyrant retaliated by laughing maniacally with delight as he prepared a Supernova to annihilate their home planet of Vegeta. The attack consumed Bardock and some of his men as it buried itself deep beneath the planet's surface resulting in a massive explosion, eradicating nearly every Saiyan. Frieza tends to handle most situations with a systematic approach. He commonly utilizes dark humor, making twisted jokes and tasteless mockery of his foes before killing them. Frieza is fully aware of his reputation for brutality and makes no effort to deny it, but instead revels in it as evidenced by his introduction to the Namekians. Likewise, he has shown great anger at the idea of his cruel deeds being undone, such as the revival of all his previous victims from the Dragon Balls. Frieza can be best summed up as an intelligent, composed (for the most part), yet extraordinarily sadistic and completely heartless sociopath. He has absolutely no qualms with slaughtering his own forces, no matter how loyal to him, simply for being in his way, as seen from when he destroyed Planet Vegeta despite most of his men being within the trajectory, as well as his reason in the Japanese version for executing a soldier before deciding to personally deal with Future Trunks. In addition, when executing Tagoma by shooting him out into space, he also made no attempt at activating the secondary window to save his forces from being sucked into the vacuum of space. He also reacts violently to criticism or if his plans either fail or if his pride is abashed. At his core, Frieza relishes glory, power, agony, dominance, control, and destruction, as shown in his enjoyment of making his enemies suffer before he kills them. He is one of the most sadistic and megalomaniacal beings in the known universes, without any sympathetic or redeeming traits. When Kikono states that the Frieza Force are criminals, Frieza retorts by saying that they merely overtake planets to sell them to those who need a new planet, viewing the interactions as transactional and demonstrating how he makes excuses for his malicious crimes and feels no responsibility for his actions.

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ALEX DELARGE

Alex DeLarge is the villain protagonist of the film and novel A Clockwork Orange.

Alex is the narrator in the novel A Clockwork Orange. The character is portrayed as a sociopath who robs, rapes, and assaults innocent people for his own amusement. Intellectually, he knows that such behavior is morally wrong, saying that "you can't have a society with everybody behaving in my manner of the night". He nevertheless professes to be puzzled by the motivations of those who wish to reform him and others like him, saying that he would never interfere with their desire to be good; he simply "goes to the other shop". Alex is very fond of classical music, particularly Ludwig van Beethoven, whom he habitually refers to as "Ludwig Van". While listening to this music, he fantasizes about endless rampages of rape, torture and slaughter. Alex's favourite melee weapon is a "cut-throat britva", or straight razor. Alex commits one of his most egregious crimes when he tricks a woman into letting him into her house by claiming that his friend is in trouble, only to attack her and her husband before raping her in front of said husband. In the film, he gleefully sings Singin in the Rain while doing this. The woman dies, most likely from the trauma, and the husband is left crippled. One day, after an argument with his cronies, Alex ends up killing an old lady in her home and is arrested for murder. Over the next two years, Alex is a model prisoner, endearing himself to the prison chaplain by studying the Bible. He is especially fond of the passages in the Old Testament portraying torture and murder.

Alex DeLarge

alex with a power level of over 9000 is far more terrifying than freiza would ever be

Frieza

Alex reforms later in life. He even considers starting a family, but is worried they might show his same sociopathic tendencies.

Alex DeLarge

Kinda silly Frieza has made it this far given the way Super defangs him.

Dancedreamer posted...

Frieza

Alex reforms later in life. He even considers starting a family, but is worried they might show his same sociopathic tendencies.

First of all so does Frieza to an extent, secondly Alex was tortured and brainwashed into that. It wasnt of his own will.

Both of them have a plot where they blunt their evil if not become a little bit redeemed. Not sure.

LightningStrikes posted...

Kinda silly Frieza has made it this far given the way Super defangs him.

It really doesn't. It just shows he'll act in his own self interest instead of being stupid to satisfy his own grudges when he has time to think things through. But he's constantly looking for a way to betray his own universe.

LightningStrikes posted...

First of all so does Frieza to an extent, secondly Alex was tortured and brainwashed into that. It wasnt of his own will.

So was Frieza. He only joined the good guys temporarily to literally get out of hell.

Frieza

I think Alex stops well short of the stuff Frieza does. Keep in mind Alex does bad stuff because it amuses him but at the same time knowing it is bad (and not caring).

I don't see him enjoying waving his hand and exploding a planet. To me he just doesn't seem the type of character with an inclination for that, preferring more personal evil where he can relish in suffering at a 1 to 1 level. I also feel like destruction at that scale he might honestly be opposed to because it would deny him people to torment.

On the flip side I don't see Frieza in Alex's shoes being quite as despicable in the form of rape and whatnot but I could see him trying to do things like bomb buildings instead.

Kinda different flavors of evil here. I do think Frieza on the whole causes more suffering by a lot but Alex probably has a greater suffering inflicted per victim if that makes sense.

Alex I guess, hes a rapist

What's worse, killing an entire planet or raping an entire planet and leaving them alive to deal with their trauma, and the threat that you might come back again? Alex with Frieza's scope engages in more depravity. Frieza's a tyrant but he's only interested in murder in so much as it serves his business needs and his galactic order. Alex kills for fun.

I think Alex with Frieza's scope can't actually exist and is a contradictory state

If you expand to the scope of Freiza it becomes both something implausible to do and something Alex would not get any enjoyment out of

It's like saying "what if this personal trainer taught a class of 500 think how great they'd be!!" Well no they'd cease being a personal trainer at that point.

I guess I mean Alex with Frieza's powers, not really his empire. That's how I've been trying to treat the "swapped positions" hypothetical. Alex starts with Frieza's abilities and in Frieza's world, and vice versa. (I had a good time imagining the Wicked Witch as a Sith.)

To me a hypothetical Frieza-level Alex still commits horrible, personal evil. Maybe not quite the same examples as he would as a normal human, but I still think he goes out of his way to rape and murder huge chunks of beings, just because he can, much like he does in canon. Whereas Alex-level Frieza is...a mob boss, I guess? Or at least running some sort of criminal empire. Which is still bad, sure.

Like I don't think Alex has any interest in running the same sort of operation as Frieza - it's not his style. He just wants to have fun. That feels more evil to me.

Agreed

I guess my angle is that because of how Alex works and thinks it's impossible for him to want to achieve anything resembling Frieza's scale of destruction. He does not have the ambition to inflict punishment on some manner of grand scale-- I feel Alex with Frieza's power is just Alex slightly faster

Like yes he will do worse things to those people he chooses to torment than Frieza would (Frieza would be content to kill people by and large I think) but I just think you'd be looking at orders of magnitudes more people that get messed up by Frieza.

Frieza is driven by power, Alex is driven by depravity. I think the former has a higher ceiling in what they can accomplish in terms of making people miserable.

I think Frieza-level Alex finds new and creative ways to torment people. I agree that he's driven by depravity - I guess I just think you can be more creative with depravity than with power? Part of me thinks Alex's worldview would be "enhanced" by being at Frieza levels. He considers himself an intellectual, out to experience sensory pursuits, and I feel like unleashing that on a universal scale is asking for trouble. Like he has the full run of the universe to exploit. Countless planets, countless species. The big question for me there I guess is would he be content to "settle" on a smaller scale when he has so much available, and I'm not sure that he would be.