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If you screw up in this job.... No way would you get my recommendation for higher positions or other high paying jobs in other companies

TCs recommendation is key.

i think you misunderstand what references are for. it's a where/what/when to confirm the resum. it is not a personal recommendation from you. i mean, who is the boss to even do that? what does the boss know? why would i trust the boss of a mcdonalds to recommend someone?

leafsRULE posted...

i think you misunderstand what references are for. it's a where/what/when to confirm the resum. it is not a personal recommendation from you. i mean, who is the boss to even do that? what does the boss know? why would i trust the boss of a mcdonalds to recommend someone?

References can absolutely act as a recommendation and in some fields youre pretty fucked without one.

Glob posted...

References can absolutely act as a recommendation and in some fields youre pretty fucked without one.

Depends. Some places they do not because all company/manager/etc is allowed to do is confirm that the person did work there doing X for Y years.

No one says screw up. Just do the job and nothing more

Fortunately my lowest efforts are still leagues above my coworkers

uwnim posted...

Depends. Some places they do not because all company/manager/etc is allowed to do is confirm that the person did work there doing X for Y years.

It depends on the country and the profession. In my profession and country, a reference like that would more or less guarantee you wouldnt be considered for a role.

Glob posted...

It depends on the country and the profession. In my profession and country, a reference like that would more or less guarantee you wouldnt be considered for a role.

That doesn't sound good, and sounds like a country rife with corruption.

coolguyjimmy posted...

That doesn't sound good, and sounds like a country ripe with corruption.

There certainly is corruption but that generally isnt one of the forms it takes. Why do you dislike the idea of it so much?

Glob posted...

There certainly is corruption but that generally isnt one of the forms it takes. Why do you dislike the idea of it so much?

Because it more easily allows prejudice, and discrimination to permeate. If your previous boss is, say sexist, or racist, or plain just doesn't like you (or you didn't contribute to their 50th birthday present [corruption]) -- why should they be allowed to have any ability to effect your future employment?
Better for a faceless HR, to just confirm how long you've worked somewhere, less chance of such things occurring.

Let's face it. Jobs and careers overall are full of corruption and favoritism.

I don't know what jobs promote you purely on your skills and merit without kissing ass to people in charge

coolguyjimmy posted...

Because it more easily allows prejudice, and discrimination to permeate. If your previous boss is, say sexist, or racist, or plain just doesn't like you (or you didn't contribute to their 50th birthday present [corruption]) -- why should they be allowed to have any ability to effect your future employment?
Better for a faceless HR, to just confirm how long you've worked somewhere, less chance of such things occurring.

There is scope for people getting short changed, its true. But the same is true by denying recommendations to those that deserve them. I dont think Id have got to the level that I have without them, precisely because I didnt have the kind of connections that some people did when I started out.

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EmilyTheCEman posted...

TCs recommendation is key.

As they say, you get what you pay for. If you pay $2 for a steak, don't assume it'll be tender and amazing. If you pay $10/hr for help, don't expect them to bust their ass.

Why would your recommendation be required? In my country, it's literally illegal to give a negative reference. The absolute worst you'd be allowed to say is "I can confirm that Steve worked here from January 2022 to March 2023"

Getting in good with management can help with internal promotions, but more in the sense that you end up being the first person they think of when they need someone.

reincarnator07 posted...

Why would your recommendation be required? In my country, it's literally illegal to give a negative reference. The absolute worst you'd be allowed to say is "I can confirm that Steve worked here from January 2022 to March 2023"

Same here, but if thats the absolute worst you can say then it really doesnt look good, does it?

A recommendation suggests that you are either good at your job or good at getting on with your superiors, both of which are factors which would affect how likely somebody is to hire you.

Im not claiming its a perfect system but its not that hard to see why it might come about.

Getting in good with management can help with internal promotions, but more in the sense that you end up being the first person they think of when they need someone.

Waiting around for internal promotions can take far longer than going after them elsewhere. It can also lead to a position where youre doing extra work and not being paid accordingly.

Glob posted...

Same here, but if thats the absolute worst you can say then it really doesnt look good, does it?

A recommendation suggests that you are either good at your job or good at getting on with your superiors, both of which are factors which would affect how likely somebody is to hire you.

Im not claiming its a perfect system but its not that hard to see why it might come about.

References are pretty cut and dry here tbh. It's more of a "This person is who they say they are" than bigging someone up.

Waiting around for internal promotions can take far longer than going after them elsewhere. It can also lead to a position where youre doing extra work and not being paid accordingly.

Absolutely, but it's where there's far more room for personal recommendations to bear fruit. In my personal experience though, this dynamic can change a bit more in a large company. When it came to vaguely skilled jobs rather than just working a checkout, I've mostly worked at smaller companies and you're absolutely right that opportunities are far and few between. I now work at a company with several thousand employees and there are new roles pretty much every week. I have no interest in most of them, but there's certainly room for advancement. In addition, getting along well with my boss gives me a massive leg up if I decide to go for any of those roles.

reincarnator07 posted...

References are pretty cut and dry here tbh. It's more of a "This person is who they say they are" than bigging someone up.

Absolutely, but it's where there's far more room for personal recommendations to bear fruit. In my personal experience though, this dynamic can change a bit more in a large company. When it came to vaguely skilled jobs rather than just working a checkout, I've mostly worked at smaller companies and you're absolutely right that opportunities are far and few between. I now work at a company with several thousand employees and there are new roles pretty much every week. I have no interest in most of them, but there's certainly room for advancement. In addition, getting along well with my boss gives me a massive leg up if I decide to go for any of those roles.

Yeah, it massively depends on the kind of environment you work in. If I want to get promoted without leaving my current place of employment, I need to to wait for the one person directly above me to retire.

^and even then you aren't guaranteed the spot

ReDaZnDraGoN97 posted...

^and even then you aren't guaranteed the spot

Agreed.

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You get what you pay for, essentially. If you're only paying employees as little as legally possible then you'll only get as much effort from them as it takes to avoid being fired.

I don't think you understand how little effort is actually required for a lot of entry-level, low paying jobs.

Show up on time, make sure the place doesn't burn down. What would "full" effort even look like for like...a 7-11 clerk or a Burger King cook?

ReDaZnDraGoN97 posted...

If you screw up in this job.... No way would you get my recommendation for higher positions or other high paying jobs in other companies

Screwing up means you fucked up, like maybe you dropped a tub of mayonnaise on the floor and decided the best way to clean it up was by licking the floor. Giving something your full effort is on the opposite side of the spectrum, there's a middle ground here you know.

Besides it's way easier to screw up if you're overly enthusiastic. Who's more likely to drop a tub of mayo on the floor, the guy who's way too excited to kiss ass or the guy who's just doing the job he's paid for?