Poll of the Day > How do you feel about imperial Japan?

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They are generally viewed as the least bad of the axis by most but that is not something to be proud of.

Japans civilians were nuked which was terrible. However a fringe minority is trying to spin Japan as the good guys in ww2. They claim that Nanking, unit 731, and the Bataan death march are fabricated/made up. They claim that Japan is a perfect nation that has done no wrong throughout its history.

"Least bad" of genocidal evil is not an argument I have ever heard anyone make prior to this thread.

What is the point of this? Are you attempting to push this conspiracy theory? Are you also a holocaust denier or something? I've never seen the claim and yet here you are trying to troll with it.

BlackScythe0 posted...

"Least bad" of genocidal evil is not an argument I have ever heard anyone make prior to this thread.

What is the point of this? Are you attempting to push this conspiracy theory? Are you also a holocaust denier or something? I've never seen the claim and yet here you are trying to troll with it.

wtf? I never denied the holocaust which is the greatest evil known to humanity. I just said it overshadows Japan and Italys human rights violations.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Are you also a holocaust denier or something?

I think it's more that he likes to think he's exposing us as hypocrites for disapproving of Axis war crimes but not automatically considering Israel to be the good guys in the current conflict (because he seems to be the sort of person that believes that being the same ethnicity of victims of a genocide means you can't perpetrate one of your own). That, or he believes that the reason people aren't siding with Israel is because we're all secretly Nazis and he's hoping to expose that by tricking people into admitting that they sympathize with Axis powers. This is at least the second topic he's made asking people's opinions about the Axis' actions in/around WWII.

adjl posted...

I think it's more that he likes to think he's exposing us as hypocrites for disapproving of Axis war crimes but not automatically considering Israel to be the good guys in the current conflict (because he seems to be the sort of person that believes that being the same ethnicity of victims of a genocide means you can't perpetrate one of your own). That, or he believes that the reason people aren't siding with Israel is because we're all secretly Nazis and he's hoping to expose that by tricking people into admitting that they sympathize with Axis powers. This is at least the second topic he's made asking people's opinions about the Axis' actions in/around WWII.

Nope this has nothing to do with Israel. This is about imperial Japan and their human atrocities that get denied/minimized to this day by the Japanese government.

Devil_May_Cry posted...

Nope this has nothing to do with Israel. This is about imperial Japan and their human atrocities that get denied/minimized to this day by the Japanese government.

You were literally trying to argue they didn't do those things.

BlackScythe0 posted...

You were literally trying to argue they didn't do those things.

In a different topic. Israel is irrelevant to imperial Japan.

if you want to bring up the holocaust and explain how being the pinnacle of evil it overshadows Japan and Italys war crimes be my guest. This topic is about imperial Japan and the smugness of the far right in Japan .

It's not particularly surprising that Japan has their equivalent of neo-Nazis, any more so than neo-Nazis are surprising elsewhere in the world. Imperial Japan was so thoroughly dismantled that I'm not too concerned about them gaining any real traction, but I'd still expect them to exist. Ideologies don't die when they get blown up.

adjl posted...

It's not particularly surprising that Japan has their equivalent of neo-Nazis, any more so than neo-Nazis are surprising elsewhere in the world. Imperial Japan was so thoroughly dismantled that I'm not too concerned about them gaining any real traction, but I'd still expect them to exist. Ideologies don't die when they get blown up.

Yeah so thoroughly dismantled that members of the Japanese government deny the atrocities to this day.

Japan makes cool stuff and should be treated with historical kiddy gloves I guess.

imagine if USA politicians said slavery never happened.

Uhh TC, They wanted to genocide the Chinese and Koreans. There is nothing "least bad" about that.

In the US at least, Japan's actions in WW2 are definitely white-washed compared to the Nazi's. There are probably plenty of Americans that don't even know Japan invaded China since most history courses just focus on the US/Japan conflict.

Japan was way worse than Italy dude

Who sees them as the least bad?
I hear about their war crimes all the time, and rarely hear about anything Italy did

Zareth posted...

Japan was way worse than Italy dude

That is just because Italy was even more pathetic than France.

Ogurisama posted...

Who sees them as the least bad?
I hear about their war crimes all the time, and rarely hear about anything Italy did

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_war_crimes

Devil_May_Cry posted...

They are generally viewed as the least bad of the axis by most but that is not something to be proud of.

Japans civilians were nuked which was terrible. However a fringe minority is trying to spin Japan as the good guys in ww2. They claim that Nanking, unit 731, and the Bataan death march are fabricated/made up. They claim that Japan is a perfect nation that has done no wrong throughout its history.

Who is claiming anything you're saying here? Aside from hardcore right-wing nutjobs in Japan I don't think I've ever seen anyone make any of those claims. The only reason anyone who natively speaks English would think Japan is the least bad Axis member is because they killed the fewest white people.

https://youtu.be/Mh5LY4Mz15o?si=VWR4K-2FCJ0xuDjx

SomeUsername529 posted...

Who is claiming anything you're saying here? Aside from hardcore right-wing nutjobs in Japan I don't think I've ever seen anyone make any of those claims. The only reason anyone who natively speaks English would think Japan is the least bad Axis member is because they killed the fewest white people.

The Japanese government denied it in the 90s and members of the government still deny and/or minimize the ww2 atrocities

This is a super weird topic

Fuck em, I guess?

Devil_May_Cry posted...

Yeah so thoroughly dismantled that members of the Japanese government deny the atrocities to this day.

Dismantled enough that the remaining vestiges aren't enough to be a threat to anyone. Denying unpleasant history is bad, certainly, but it's on a very different level from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups gaining as much power as they have in many other countries. There's pretty much zero chance of Japan actually perpetrating any further war crimes against China or Korea (for that matter, any modern discussion of human rights violations involving China mostly ends up talking about what China is doing right now, rather than historical crimes committed against them). The country that has to worry most about conservative Japanese culture is Japan itself.

Devil_May_Cry posted...

The Japanese government denied it in the 90s and members of the government still deny and/or minimize the ww2 atrocities

The OP would be much less weird if you had've specified that instead of jumping right into "they" as if this is some sort of normal opinion floating around.

Blightzkrieg posted...

This is a super weird topic

Fuck em, I guess?

that's all this guy does

adjl posted...

Dismantled enough that the remaining vestiges aren't enough to be a threat to anyone. Denying unpleasant history is bad, certainly, but it's on a very different level from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups gaining as much power as they have in many other countries. There's pretty much zero chance of Japan actually perpetrating any further war crimes against China or Korea (for that matter, any modern discussion of human rights violations involving China mostly ends up talking about what China is doing right now, rather than historical crimes committed against them). The country that has to worry most about conservative Japanese culture is Japan itself.

Not every evil needs to be compared to other evils. I recognized Nazis and white supremacists as the pinnacle of evil already.

ReturnOfFa posted...

that's all this guy does

Dude I wish all I did was fuck Japanese people

Devil_May_Cry posted...

Not every evil needs to be compared to other evils. I recognized Nazis and white supremacists as the pinnacle of evil already.

The only comparison I'm making is to provide an example of an analogous problem that's still relevant. It's not a question of being better or worse, it's a question of whether or not they matter in the modern world beyond academic questions of historical accuracy.

slacker03150 posted...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_war_crimes

A lot of these were in Africa. It's no surprise the Allies didn't care as much about war crimes committed against black people, sadly.

Zareth posted...

A lot of these were in Africa. It's no surprise the Allies didn't care as much about war crimes committed against black people, sadly.

Which is also probably why the Japanese crimes weren't considered as important, since they were largely in China. The numbers involved for Italy were also substantially smaller than either Germany or Japan.