Current Events > Beware of spoilers. Super Mario RPG remake has leaked >_>

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Everyone knows the quality of Mario games is predicated upon their difficulty

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People want a Mario-esque Dark Souls game.

The hardest Mario game, the Japanese Super Mario Bros. 2, is easily one of the worst mainstays of the franchise.

That's why we got a reskinned Doki Doki Panic.

Controversial, but I think it was the right decision to make.

It gave us a number of Mario characters too like Toad, Bob-omb, Birdo, and the Shy Guys. The Mushroom Retainers appeared in the first game, but went unnamed until the second one.

I swear like 16 years ago Nintendo Fans on GameFAQs would always try to help optimize literally any playthrough of Mario RPG as if it was needed to beat some of the "harder" bosses because they thought the Cake, and Yardovich, Johnny and Jinx were super hard bosses. When the secret sauce was actually never not using Geno and Peach because Bowser and Mallow suck as team mates.

Now it's like:

A- "Are they going to make Mario RPG Remake harder, because the original game was piss easy"
B- "OH WOW YOU WANT IT TO BE SUPER HARD? RPGS AREN'T EVEN KNOWN FOR BEING DIFFICULT ANYWAY".

I swear like 16 years ago Nintendo Fans on GameFAQs would always try to help optimize literally any playthrough of Mario RPG as if it was needed to beat some of the "harder" bosses because they thought the Cake, and Yardovich, Johnny and Jinx were super hard bosses. When the secret sauce was actually never not using Geno and Peach because Bowser and Mallow suck as team mates.

Now it's like:

A- "Are they going to make Mario RPG Remake harder, because the original game was piss easy"
B- "OH WOW YOU WANT IT TO BE SUPER HARD? RPGS AREN'T EVEN KNOWN FOR BEING DIFFICULT ANYWAY".

Also our biggest fears have seemed to be realized

the game is still piss easy and the new "hard" bosses aren't even that hard >_>

One of my coworkers was going on about what the "optimal team" is for SMRPG and I guess I'll just not ever truly understand optimizing a reasonably easy single player game.

Eh, some characters were kind of shit like Bowser. Hopefully they fixed that, but who cares.

I used Bowser all the time, he had great attack power. Have I been sub optimal this entire time??

But there's also no reason to use visibly inferior characters like Mallow who has no party heal and Bowser who has shitty status effect special moves and does less damage than both Mario and Geno on average.

Not that the game doesn't practically fall over itself to give you over powered accessories like the Ghost Medal, The Jinx Belt and the Attack Scarf.

In any case "Just don't use good items and team mates" is a bad argument against a game being too easy and having bad balance. Like playing Dark Souls and saying "just don't use dodge".

That was about all he had. Mario/Geno/Peach was the best combo I found.

Huh I always did Mario Bowser and peach. Guess that was just me being a kid. I never really liked Genos abilities and mallow was always bad

Geno was great at AOE and had a killer single special move.

Yeah, it's still the greatest game of all time. I just wish it was a little harder sometimes though >_>

Controversial, but I think it was the right decision to make.

It gave us a number of Mario characters too like Toad, Bob-omb, Birdo, and the Shy Guys. The Mushroom Retainers appeared in the first game, but went unnamed until the second one.

Why can't every jrpg just come with a standard easy, normal hard mode selection? Why is that so difficult to add in? And I do agree that probably the vast majority of gamers would have rather had hard mode than easy

Even Miyamoto thinks so. A lot of people keep saying that Mario USA is just reskinned Doki Doki Panic but Doki Doki Panic itself was built on top of the Original Mario 2 prototype that Nintendo forced Miyamoto to shelve because NoJ suits wanted a sequel out faster than what Miyamoto's original ideas were going to take. So he rehashed what they had in "vs Super Mario Bros" (the arcade game) to create the Lost Levels.

In reality, America got the Super Mario Bros 2 that Miyamoto wanted to make all along.

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Besides what you two said, let's face it. Even with some licensed games getting a release past the 2000s, such are still not a guarantee to be often even if based on major properties.

So even Doki Doki Panic might not be as big in Japan, thus had the Lost Levels been the only SMB 2, we would have had another good licensed game slipping through the cracks of history.

Actually, come to think of it, our version of Super Mario Bros. 2 wasn't released until 1992 in Japan when it was retitled Super Mario USA. The first time most Japanese gamers got to see Bob-ombs in a Mario game was Super Mario Bros. 3. I wonder if that was a little weird to see. It'd be like if Kirby enemies suddenly showed up.

Actually, come to think of it, our version of Super Mario Bros. 2 wasn't released until 1992 in Japan when it was retitled Super Mario USA. The first time most Japanese gamers got to see Bob-ombs in a Mario game was Super Mario Bros. 3. I wonder if that was a little weird to see. It'd be like if Kirby enemies suddenly showed up.

Mario rpg is one of the easiest game I have ever played and people who played it as kids are mot likely in the 25 to 40 age range. I guess they take kids into consideration and want it to be accessible to them, but it's a VERY old game and people who played it younger would like a bigger challenge

They probably saw the bob-ombs and such from Doki Doki Panic.

The fact that they thought they needed to add an easy mode is hilarious, who is it for people in a coma?

It was kind of surprising to Western gamers to learn years later that SMB2 wasn't really a Mario game, but I gotta wonder what Japanese players went through since SMB2 never came out there. Some iconic enemies like Shyguys became part of later games.

I used Bowser all the time, he had great attack power. Have I been sub optimal this entire time??

The game is intended to be played by first graders. You can play it too if you want, but it's made for accessibility with first graders.

IIRC he started powerful but had terrible stat growth which made him one of the weaker members closer to max level.

Didn't Sack say he planned to put Geno in one of the older Smash Bros games? And then that got the ball rolling? People who'd never played it decided en masse that they really wanted him in even though he sucks?

Didn't Sack say he planned to put Geno in one of the older Smash Bros games? And then that got the ball rolling? People who'd never played it decided en masse that they really wanted him in even though he sucks?

Geno does not suck.

No. Not that I can find. Sakurai doesn't actually make the decisions on who to put in. He presents Nintendo a list of options and then Nintendo makes the decisions.