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Hayame_Zero
11/01/23 12:19:58 PM
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https://variety.com/2023/film/features/marvel-jonathan-majors-problem-the-marvels-reshoots-kang-1235774940/

Marvel is truly f---ed with the whole Kang angle, says one top dealmaker who has seen the final Loki episode. I dont see a path to how they move forward with him.

Beyond the bad press for Majors, the brain trust at Marvel is also grappling with the November release of The Marvels, a sequel to 2019s blockbuster Captain Marvel that has been plagued with lengthy reshoots and now appears likely to underwhelm at the box office.

A studio source notes that regardless of the actors legal issues, Marvel already had considered moving away from a Majors-led phase because of the box office performance of Quantumania, which will struggle to make a profit. It gave people pause given

The Marvel machine was pumping out a lot of content. Did it get to the point where there was just too much, and they were burning people out on superheroes? Its possible, says Wall Street analyst Eric Handler, who covers Disney. The more you do, the tougher it is to maintain quality. They tried experimenting with breaking in some new characters, like Shang-Chi and Eternals, with mixed results. With budgets as big as these, you need home runs.

It's a LONG article worth reading, but those are parts of it. Basically, the audiences have dropped, and they've been thinking about overhauling for awhile now.

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refmon
11/01/23 12:21:40 PM
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I hope they just stop with this multiverse crap.

Unless it's handled extremely well it removes all stakes when you can just revive a character instantly like Loki

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UnfairRepresent
11/01/23 12:21:55 PM
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Why not just get a new actor?

Who the fuck is crying because Don Cheadle is now War Machine?

Fuck make Don Cheadle Kang.

Or bring in Kanu Reeves. No one would complain


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mystic_belmont
11/01/23 12:23:34 PM
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Make Terrance Howard Kang.

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The_Wheelman1
11/01/23 12:23:49 PM
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Why not just recast him? There's no need to drop Kang entirely

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Jagr_68
11/01/23 12:23:57 PM
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Stop making Marvel movies.

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littlebro07
11/01/23 12:24:58 PM
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Hayame_Zero posted...
A studio source notes that regardless of the actors legal issues, Marvel already had considered moving away from a Majors-led phase because of the box office performance of Quantumania, which will struggle to make a profit. It gave people pause given

Majors and Kang weren't the reason Quantumania sucked hard at the box office though. He was the best part of the movie.

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Bandit_Keith
11/01/23 12:25:09 PM
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That was a worthless article full of retreaded info and unsubstantiated dreck.

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Unsuprised_Pika
11/01/23 12:25:48 PM
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Jagr_68 posted...
Stop making Marvel movies.

Nah. Just cut back a lot and give directors more room to be organically fun and creative.

Raimi should've been allowed to go R rated and deeper into the horror elements for Multiverse of Madness.

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BlueTigerLion
11/01/23 12:26:04 PM
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The_Wheelman1 posted...
Why not just recast him? There's no need to drop Kang entirely

Yea. I thought the best part of the multiverse stuff is we can have multiple actors play same character. It used to be you had to wait for a reboot to recast.

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CervusCanadensi
11/01/23 12:26:34 PM
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I am so sick and tired of super hero movies
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Hayame_Zero
11/01/23 12:26:39 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Why not just get a new actor?

Who the fuck is crying because Don Cheadle is now War Machine?

Fuck make Don Cheadle Kang.

Or bring in Kanu Reeves. No one would complain
It's not just about the actor, it's the material. The box office is dipping, and they're thinking about restructuring the phase to not be around Kang because they feel it might be the quality. But it's likely just oversaturation and fatigue.

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RchHomieQuanChi
11/01/23 12:26:50 PM
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Hayame_Zero posted...
A studio source notes that regardless of the actors legal issues, Marvel already had considered moving away from a Majors-led phase because of the box office performance of Quantumania, which will struggle to make a profit. It gave people pause given

Kang was NOT the reason Ant-Man underperformed and it's obvious to anyone who was paying attention.

The Ant-Man movies were always mid box office performers (by MCU standards) and Marvel Studios foolishly thought they could turn the 3rd movie into an Endgame-level success just by introducing Kang, a character that you'd only know about if you saw Loki.

The biggest problem I see with the MCU at the moment is that they give these bloated budgets to movies that don't need it and they expect every movie they put out to do $800 million+ at the box office.

They need to learn how to experiment with smaller budgets.

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MICHALECOLE
11/01/23 12:27:41 PM
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Bandit_Keith posted...
That was a worthless article full of retreaded info and unsubstantiated dreck.

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CervusCanadensi
11/01/23 12:28:00 PM
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Also, that Guardians movie had some sick demented animal cruelty going on. Fuck the team that thought that needed to be in a Disney/ Marvel movie. 1/10

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mystic_belmont
11/01/23 12:28:04 PM
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littlebro07 posted...
Majors and Kang weren't the reason Quantumania sucked hard at the box office though. He was the best part of the movie.

Studios always learn the wrong lesson from movies.

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SimulationSwarm
11/01/23 12:28:46 PM
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They need to stop dancing around and bring in popular characters already like X-men and F4

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RchHomieQuanChi
11/01/23 12:32:06 PM
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SimulationSwarm posted...
They need to stop dancing around and bring in popular characters already like X-men and F4

It's weird that they won't just tell us who the F4 are.

If it's not Krasinski, then they should have come out and just say it. And if it is, I don't know why they're being hush-hush about it when we've already seen him play the character.

According to all the rumors, they already have their F4 so I don't know why they're still dangling this carrot. And let's not get started on the mess that's the Blade movie.

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CableZL
11/01/23 12:33:49 PM
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littlebro07 posted...
Majors and Kang weren't the reason Quantumania sucked hard at the box office though. He was the best part of the movie.

For real. It would be a major mistake for them to assume Kang was the reason for the underperformance of Quantumania.

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SimulationSwarm
11/01/23 12:34:40 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
It's weird that they won't just tell us who the F4 are.

If it's not Krasinski, then they should have come out and just say it. And if it is, I don't know why they're being hush-hush about it when we've already seen him play the character.

According to all the rumors, they already have their F4 so I don't know why they're still dangling this carrot. And let's not get started on the mess that's the Blade movie.
Theyve announced when filming will start on F4 but havent announced an official cast yet. Very bizarre! And yeah Blade too is a huge mess as well. Things just not looking good for the MCU right now

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Geiki_Ganger
11/01/23 12:38:54 PM
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Shang-Chi actually did quite well domestically, topping $200 million.

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refmon
11/01/23 12:39:19 PM
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One person familiar with the script permutations says the story at one point morphed into a narrative led by women and filled with life lessons. Blade was relegated to the fourth lead, a bizarre idea considering that the studio had two-time Oscar winner Ali on board.

Guys, I dont think the Blade movie will ever get past the script.


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Srk700
11/01/23 12:43:02 PM
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The one bad thing about Kang in the Ant-Man movie is that he didn't leave the movie feeling like he was really that much of a threat. But that's not the fault of the charavtwr or Majors himself, as the fault for that was whoever decided making Kang lose to ants and Scott being able to hold his own against him was a good idea for his debut. Other than that, Kang and Majors' performance was one of the very few bright spots of the movie.

UnfairRepresent posted...
Why not just get a new actor?

Who the fuck is crying because Don Cheadle is now War Machine?

Fuck make Don Cheadle Kang.

Or bring in Kanu Reeves. No one would complain

This is what I'm confused about as well. Out of all the characters in the MCU, Kang should be the one of the easiest to recast. It wouldn't be far fetched for at least 1 Kang variant to look different from the rest. Hell, they already set the precedent with (Loki season 1 spoilers) Loki, what with there being several non-Hiddleston Lokis in his show.
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RchHomieQuanChi
11/01/23 12:48:48 PM
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I really feel like the era of COVID filmmaking has them all fucked up.

All sorts of projects had to be moved around and it required projects to be reshot and rewritten on the fly.

Ever since then, it almost feels like every project they put out is deliberately created so they can easily change the tone and even entire scenes and story beats on a whim. It leads to everything feeling disjointed and awkward. Even within their own internal narrative, these projects feel like they have no cohesive sense of direction.

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CommonStar
11/01/23 12:52:11 PM
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They should. He's a weak ass villain. Got his ass beat by Sylvie and Ant-Man of all people.
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CableZL
11/01/23 12:55:25 PM
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CommonStar posted...
They should. He's a weak ass villain. Got his ass beat by Sylvie and Ant-Man of all people.

The threat of Kang is that there a virtual infinite number of him, the vast majority of which are all hell bent on villainy and have mastery over time and space with technology. Also, I don't think the variants we've seen so far are the strongest versions of him.

Also to be fair, He Who Remains didn't really care about being killed. He Who Remains was old, tired, and set up contingency plans for his death.

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MacadamianNut3
11/01/23 1:01:14 PM
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CommonStar posted...
Got his ass beat by Sylvie and Ant-Man of all people.
lol wut

Ant-Man got a few shots in but that dude was getting destroyed by Kang until Hope showed up. The He Who Remains variant didn't even bother fighting back because he was tired of all of it which is why he flat out told them the options were to 1) kill him or 2) replace him

Do you guys actually watch the stuff you're talking about

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TheLiarParadox
11/01/23 1:03:42 PM
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Everyone wants Endgame but nobody wants the buildup to Endgame.

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ViewtifulGrave
11/01/23 1:08:46 PM
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CommonStar posted...
They should. He's a weak ass villain. Got his ass beat by Sylvie and Ant-Man of all people.
He Who Remains only died when he allowed it to happen. Loki and Sylvie were helpless against him.

Kang beat the shit outta Ant-Man. He only lost because he got sucker punched by the Wasp.

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ScazarMeltex
11/01/23 1:11:02 PM
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CervusCanadensi posted...
I am so sick and tired of super hero movies
So like, just don't watch them.

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Smashingpmkns
11/01/23 1:18:04 PM
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The multiverse shit sucks. They blew their load way too early and now they don't know where to go. Just wipe to white and have the X-Men show up. Billion dollar idea.

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Nirvanas_Nox
11/01/23 1:18:22 PM
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mystic_belmont posted...
Make Terrance Howard Kang.


Ew no. He was awful in Iron Man. Keep him far away from marvel

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Vivaldi7
11/01/23 1:19:25 PM
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CommonStar posted...
They should. He's a weak ass villain.
+1

Literally Dread Factor 0

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MobileProphet
11/01/23 1:20:48 PM
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The general audience really doesn't care about the Major's drama. Both parties seem toxic with the case, but this event really shouldn't hurt his career since it's not like it's some case shut case with Major's being completely guilty. The people helming the Marvel movies/shows need to do better with their writing of the content Kang is in. Majors has been amazing as Kang so far.

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Prestoff
11/01/23 1:26:41 PM
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Jonathan Majors and Michelle Pfiefer were the only 2 actors that seem like they gave an actual damn in the movie, everyone else felt like they were half assing their roles. The issue with the 2 actors was that they didn't have much to work with. Pfiefer's character was basically a dumbass that can easily solve a lot of the problems by just fucking talking and Majors character failed at basically being a big bad, especially when he got fucked over by ants and somehow forgot he has the ability to vaporize people. It was just bad writing and a terrible script that made Quantumania a shitty movie.

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Solo_Wing
11/01/23 1:27:11 PM
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Agreed. They shouldn't listen to critics and go all out. Screw losing billions, what's important is diversity. They should cast Lizzo for Doom in F4

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JuanCarlos1
11/01/23 1:28:57 PM
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refmon posted...
I hope they just stop with this multiverse crap.

Unless it's handled extremely well it removes all stakes when you can just revive a character instantly like Loki

Right? Same with time traveling in endgame. Its a lazy plot device to get exactly what they want and it removes the stakes, cause everything can be easily fixed.

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masterpug53
11/01/23 1:28:59 PM
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Speaking as a MCU fan with little to no comic knowledge, I've been pretty unimpressed by Kang thus far. He fell far short of a Thanos-level threat in Quantumania, his presence in Loki S1 was the least-engaging bit of that season, and now that s2 is centering around him I'm honestly struggling to find the motivation to continue the show. Kang's threat is very much telling-not-showing at this point, and I sympathized pretty hard with Mobius when he said "that's the big threat you're so scared of?" (but that's also a general issue I have with Loki s2 so far: you've got characters standing around looking crushed and somber that 'billions of lives have been wiped out,' but it's pretty tough for me as a viewer to feel compelled by that when it's literally just a line graph on a tv monitor).

I'm still optimistic overall and will give the MCU pretty much every chance there is to turn things around, but at this point I'm really struggling to envision how "this dude but thousands of him" is going to change that early impression.

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CableZL
11/01/23 1:29:00 PM
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Also, Quauntumania advertised Kang pretty heavily, then proceeded to spend the first hour not even showing him and just referring to him as "He" and "Him"

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SimulationSwarm
11/01/23 1:29:36 PM
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TheLiarParadox posted...
Everyone wants Endgame but nobody wants the buildup to Endgame.
Its different when theres been no actual cohesion in whatever theyre building up towards. Plus making movies and sequels of heroes not many people care about. Just give us X-men already.

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Charged151
11/01/23 1:29:43 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Why not just get a new actor?

Who the fuck is crying because Don Cheadle is now War Machine?

Fuck make Don Cheadle Kang.

Or bring in Kanu Reeves. No one would complain

The article even suggests it. Just do it.

Recasting Majors is also an option, as Feige did when he replaced Terrence Howard in Iron Man 2 with Don Cheadle. In fact, Marvel isnt afraid to change direction, even after making splashy announcements. Armor Wars was first unveiled as a series and is now being developed as a feature, while the studios push to adapt the comic book Inhumans into a feature film generated headlines but is now dormant. (The now-defunct Marvel Television mounted an Inhumans TV series in 2017 that ran for one season on ABC.)

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dancing_cactuar
11/01/23 1:32:50 PM
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CableZL posted...
The threat of Kang is that there a virtual infinite number of him, the vast majority of which are all hell bent on villainy and have mastery over time and space with technology. Also, I don't think the variants we've seen so far are the strongest versions of him.
Wasn't the Kang in Quantumania shunted to the Quantum Realm specifically because all the other Kangs thought he was too dangerous. And then the dude got beat by Ant Man, Wasp, a floating head, and a horde of ants.

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Solo_Wing
11/01/23 1:36:27 PM
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Depends on who reads em

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CableZL
11/01/23 1:37:06 PM
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dancing_cactuar posted...
Wasn't the Kang in Quantumania shunted to the Quantum Realm specifically because all the other Kangs thought he was too dangerous. And then the dude got beat by Ant Man, Wasp, a floating head, and a horde of ants.

He was exiled for trying to kill the Council of Kangs. Given the fact that he was defeated by the Ant-Man crew as you mentioned, I would guess that means they did it not because he was an immediate threat, but that he may eventually figure out how to succeed.

I'm hoping there's just a lot they're intentionally leaving unexplained for now and it will build up and be explained in or before Avengers: The Kang Dynasty.

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Smackems
11/01/23 1:37:46 PM
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Jagr_68 posted...
Stop making Marvel movies.


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