Current Events > Marvel reportedly already considered dropping Kang prior to Major's legal issues

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We're talking about a specific variant though, the one where he is supposedly so dangerous the other Kang's stuck him in the Quantum realm. The movie over and over again keeps telling us how much we have to fear him and how much of a badass he is but fails to show why we should fear him and why he's some badass. I get it's a build up, but this movie is a bad first impression for a big bad.

That is also definitely true. No one has or is ready to fill the shoes left by Iron Man/Captain America.

I am so sick and tired of super hero movies

Make Terrance Howard Kang.

Because she didn't know that a signal was being sent.

Fuck make Don Cheadle Kang.

Everyone wants Endgame but nobody wants the buildup to Endgame.

I don't know what you're talking about, the magic rings Shang Chi has and were mentioned as being a mysterious beacon by Bruce Banner and Captain Marvel in the post credits are totally building up to something, just look at how they appeared in the very next movie like how the Tesseract was in Thor, then Captain America, then Avengers.

Make Terrance Howard Kang.

Since Endgame, there have been 10 movies and we are in the middle of the 10th television series. If we just look at movies alone, this is where 10 movies got us in the original MCU build:

1) Iron Man
2) The Incredible Hulk
3) Iron Man 2
4) Thor
5) Captain America: The First Avenger
6) The Avengers
7) Iron Man 3
8) Thor: Dark World
9) Captain America: The Winter Soldier
10) Guardians of the Galaxy

The TV series are much longer than individual movies, but if we count one TV series as being equal to a movie, then we need to add another 10 movies:

11) Avengers: Age of Ultron
12) Ant-Man
13) Captain America: Civil War
14) Doctor Strange
15) Guardians of the Galaxy: Volume 2
16) Spider-Man: Homecoming
17) Thor: Ragnarok
18) Black Panther
19) Avengers: Infinity War
20) Ant-Man and the Wasp

After all of that, it was just Captain Marvel and then Endgame. And as I said, the TV shows are much longer than the movies, so we have basically sat through more media than it originally took for them to get to Endgame.

Also, it took 11 years to go from Iron Man to Endgame. Since then, it has been only about 4 years since Endgame.

We have been absolutely slammed with MCU stuff that had largely gone nowhere. Weve had enough material to get to a new Endgame, yet we havent even reach the equivalent of an Avengers.

Weve allowed for the buildup. We just arent experiencing any buildup.

I think this post really hits the nail on the head. There were fewer individual heroes before, so crossovers happened sooner. Now we've had so many solo movies/shows and not many big team ups. Shang-Chi, the Eternals, Moon Knight, Werewolf-by-Night, Kate Bishop have all been one-off characters so far with little interaction with other major characters. Marvel probably introduced too many characters and the storylines have gotten pretty fragmented now. If they wanted to keep mining content long-term, they could've saved more people for later. Like are they actually going to use Moon Knight anytime soon in a crossover movie?

This is the real problem.

I feel like Disney are just creating a narrative so they can get rid of him without outright stating its because of his DA stuff.

And to the people constantly rabbiting the point give them time to build it up - endgame took a decade to get to the climax!!! We are already five years into this big bad arc and we havent even had buildup on the level of the original avengers let along end game yet. I get there was always going to need to be a bit of a pallet cleanser after the success of Endgame but out of the new characters weve not had any of them interact or team up in five years!

Avengers was very tight, with five to six characters to do movies of. Now? Too many characters to keep track of.

Avengers was very tight, with five to six characters to do movies of. Now? Too many characters to keep track of.

Also, the VFX artists must be exhausted.

MCU is done for. They already used Ironman, Captain America, Hulk, Black Widow, Black Panther, and Spider-Man. The rest like Thor, Doctor Strange and Ant-Man are clinging on for dear life with only GoG standing on its feet. The populace is very simple-minded. Marvel was successful because it was about the A-listers. People want to see stuff about the big-time A-listers.

Marvel is failing because it's making a crap load of movies and relevant TV shows about a bunch of characters nobody cares about. People aren't going to fill the theaters to see Moon Knight or Miss Marvel. Who even are they?

MCU is done for. They already used Ironman, Captain America, Hulk, Black Widow, Black Panther, and Spider-Man. The rest like Thor, Doctor Strange and Ant-Man are clinging on for dear life with only GoG standing on its feet. The populace is very simple-minded. Marvel was successful because it was about the A-listers. People want to see stuff about the big-time A-listers. And yes, the actors playing them also matter. The intended replacements for the main A-team will never be accepted by the populace. Ever. Captain America, Hulk, Black Widow, Black Panther, Thor, Spider-Man, etc., will always beat out the nobodies every single time.

All they have left is X-Menverse and Fantastic Four. Or maybe try to milk the multiverse even more and bring in Miles Morales

This is completely false. The characters the MCU started with were NOT A-listers at all. The were maybe B-list, at best. You're revising history.

And public knowledge of characters is, ultimately, irrelevant. The vast majority of characters people live were literally unknown before their films.

Marvel's A-listers pre-MCU were Spidey and the X-Men and that's it. The Hulk and Fantastic Four were the closest to them, and out of all of these they only had the rights to Hulk. Cap, Iron Man, Black Panther, etc were B-tier. It worked out because the Avengers were a long-running team and they had the rights to the main members, but the MCU would have probably played out very differently if Marvel had access to Spidey and the X-Men from the beginning.

The main Avengers cast is considered B-tier...? Since when? X-Men, Spiderverse, Fantastic Four, and Avengers are all people even know about

The main Avengers cast is considered B-tier...? Since when? X-Men, Spiderverse, Fantastic Four, and Avengers are all people even know about

I do wonder if we're at the point where people aren't really interested in superheroes they haven't heard of before. Or at the very least the hook needs to be both unique and done well like Shang-Chi.

I think they're talking about public knowledge of them. In that case they're right. The public didnt know who ironman, thor or captain america was before MCU. They'd be considered B level celebrities.

This is the DC issue. Everyone knows Batman and Superman. The other founding member of the League, nobody knows who they are.

I think it's becoming increasingly more obvious that the future of Marvel after Endgame really relied on Chadwick Boseman's (RIP) Black Panther. He was obviously being built up as the face of Marvel which would have been a good move. Now they're completely lost, tossing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks.

Not to sound too crass but that exec meeting the morning after his death was probably really fucking intense.

Kang doesn't have the widespread recognition or staying power that thanos did

This is completely false. The characters the MCU started with were NOT A-listers at all. The were maybe B-list, at best. You're revising history.

And public knowledge of characters is, ultimately, irrelevant. The vast majority of characters people live were literally unknown before their films.

Its funny when you think about it. Because nobody would believe that Marvel was going to surivive with the Iron Man movie back 2008. They were practically bankrupt back then.

Yet people are dooming about Marvel more then they are now.

Kang just needs to start showing up in everything, screwing with a bunch of stuff.

The only confrontation we have is a Kang mad that Janet left him stranded.

If Kang has time travel stuff, pruning important people from the timeline would be very interesting. I think that is what they tried to do at the end of Ant Man 3

Part of the reason Thanos worked so well is that he didn't need to do anything in most movies. The build up was easy to understand. There's this bad guy in the background wanting these powerful stones that are the common thread in these movies. The heroes don't really know about him until the big crossover.

Multiverse Kang revealed in a TV show monologue is a lot more confusing to keep up with.

Correct. And DC disproves VFalcone's point because even with some of the most recognizable superheroes in Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman, they still failed.

DC is a special case though because their movies were just straight bad. Their goodwill was burned after their third movie lol. DCEU had Man of Steel and Wonder Woman that both did well. Then BvS came out, then JL... and it was a wrap. DCEU died before it could start because the movies were too bad and the public won't forgive that.

You're proving my point. Having A listers are irrelevant if your movie is bad. Just like having unknown characters doesn't matter if the movie is good. Quality is the main factor, not character awareness.

My overall point was that people aren't going to buy tickets to see a movie about characters they don't know or care about even if it gets 98% Rotten Tomatoes, so the movies fail automatically

You're proving my point. Having A listers are irrelevant if your movie is bad. Just like having unknown characters doesn't matter if the movie is good. Quality is the main factor, not character awareness.

My overall point was that people aren't going to buy tickets to see a movie about characters they don't know or care about even if it gets 98% Rotten Tomatoes, so the movies fail automatically

Didn't Guardians of the Galaxy do very well?

Yeah, nobody knew who the Guardians of the Galaxy were before it came out, and it ended up being a fan favorite. It doesn't matter if they use lesser known characters since most of them were to begin with.

Modern MCU is an issue of oversaturation and disorganization.

I don't think that's necessarily true. People showed up to GotG and Shang-Chi. Like, who the fuck are those guys amirite?