Current Events > He's so dumb he doesn't know "cis" has nothing to do with sexuality

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"Cis" is not becoming a slur any more than "man" or "gamer" is because crazy feminists use it like that. Neither are "liberal" and "leftist" thanks to Trumpers.

Just don't call me a casual and we good.

Ricemills posted...

So back to my original question that he refused to answer:

I mean No. that should be obvious and dunno why he wouldnt answer.

But I feel like he answers it with:

R1masher posted...

Use it as a slur and its a slur

Dictionaries dont define words, use does

Some slurs started off as slurs, but not all of them.

lolife67 posted...

But that separate line of thought is irrelevant to the actual topic, so why even bring it up? The answer is: intellectual dishonesty.

Its relevant because people are claiming cis cant be a slur.

You understand why he originally posted, yes?

I see you want to continue down the ill-advised path of appropriation of minority struggles and oppression.

Cis is not a slur.

BewmHedshot posted...

It's like when whiny middle aged white women with bad haircuts tried to convince us "Karen" was a slur.

Or when the TERFs who were late to the party complained about it being a slur, and not a term their own movement originated.

Same thing happened with the "Alt-Right" it went from being an "edgy" badge of honor among internet Nazis to being a term they needed to distance themselves from when their movement got more mainstream with the rise of Trump and Christian nationalist populism.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

I mean No. that should be obvious and dunno why he wouldnt answer.

But I feel like he answers it with:

Some slurs started off as slurs, but not all of them.

Its relevant because people are claiming cis cant be a slur.

You understand why he originally posted, yes?

Stop avoiding the question.
Answer it directly, is the word cis itself a slur or not?

They want to be oppressed so bad and cry victim.

How tone deaf can you be? Read the room.

Ricemills posted...

Stop avoiding the question.
Answer it directly, is the word cis itself a slur or not?

Bro, I literally just did holy shit. Sorry for trying to also interpret the other guys answer lmao. We got the best lawyer in the nation coming to the stands or something.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

I mean No. that should be obvious and dunno why he wouldnt answer.

anyway

CSCA33 posted...

I see you want to continue down the ill-advised path of appropriation of minority struggles and oppression.

Cis is not a slur.

I am confused I guess.

What is the definition of slur to you?

Are you assuming Im not a minority btw?

Gotta love cuttin pulling the fence sitting enlightened centrist card here to defend a long running CE troll.

why come he hasnt been corrected by community notes?

Are you assuming Im not a minority btw?

Are you trying to claim you are trans now? That's the context of this discussion and who we're talking about wrt the minority group in question.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Bro, I literally just did holy shit. Sorry for trying to also interpret the other guys answer lmao. We got the best lawyer in the nation coming to the stands or something.

So you agree that the word itself is not a slur. Then why can't you understand that his stance is ridiculous?

And speaking of lawyers, why are you playing Devil's Advocate for him?

Corbenik posted...

why come he hasnt been corrected by community notes?

He disabled it for his posts.

He has more money than brain cells for sure.

Ricemills posted...

He disabled it for his posts.

I remember when this was brought up that he would do it after it got pointed out to him by the community how much it costs to run Wikipedia after he tried to conspiracy why Wikipedia needed money.

So it seems he finally did it? Given that being corrected is anathema to him.

CSCA33 posted...

Are you trying to claim you are trans now? That's the context of this discussion and who we're talking about wrt the minority group in question.

No

You said this:

CSCA33 posted...

I see you want to continue down the ill-advised path of appropriation of minority struggles and oppression.

CSCA33 posted...

Cis is not a slur and yall argue it is, depending on how its used, with disingenuous comparisons to slurs used against gay people. Its appropriation of minority struggles and oppression, tone deaf and offensive, and transphobic.

When you say minority struggles you only mean trans ones in this context?

Do you, in good faith, not see how one can interpret you to include all minorities?

I thought thats what you were meaning. Hence why I asked.

Ricemills posted...

So you agree that the word itself is not a slur. Then why can't you understand that his stance is ridiculous?

I I dont understand whats hard to understand

Is homo not an applicable example? The definition is not a slur. But use is.

Thats all.

Ricemills posted...

And speaking of lawyers, why are you playing Devil's Advocate for him?

Im not. Im agreeing with him. However I feel like hes being misinterpreted so I tried to clarify.

But I dont know what yall even disagree with tbh. Yall just say its ridiculous or irrelevant. Without really elaborating so I digress.

I wont derail further.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

I I dont understand whats hard to understand

Exactly.
You don't understand that he's trying to support Musk's statement that saying Cis is a slur for heterosexual.

Im not. Im agreeing with him. However I feel like hes being misinterpreted so I tried to clarify.

But I dont know what yall even disagree with tbh. Yall just say its ridiculous or irrelevant. Without really elaborating so I digress.

Okay, we'll play by your game.
You said the usage of the word determine it's meaning, but can't you see the usage of his post is for? As i already stated above, using it to support Musk makes him using the word incorrectly.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/4/1/AADFM_AAE_cZ.jpg
So this means we can report X users for targeted harassment using c-slurs and t-slurs. The Queen of England must be pleased.

What a cissy.

Report user who call themselves "Proud terfs" then.

(Nothing will happen)

Kolibri_X posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/4/1/AADFM_AAE_cZ.jpg
So this means we can report X users for targeted harassment using c-slurs and t-slurs. The Queen of England must be pleased.

TIL no one who likes trans people is a woman

Kolibri_X posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/4/1/AADFM_AAE_cZ.jpg
So this means we can report X users for targeted harassment using c-slurs and t-slurs. The Queen of England must be pleased.

This don't makes sense either.
The F in TERF means Feminist, how does it become anti-woman?

Didn't they start calling themselves TERFs to begin with?

Yet they want to compare it to actual slurs and carry the same weight, when it objectively does not. It is appropriation of oppression to flip the tables and make the oppressed out to be the oppressors. We see this strain of transphobia consistently across hateful misinformation, like when some gender critical / TERFs in the UK started waving around Nazi propaganda as a false comparison to trans rights and the broader fight for equality.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/alex-bramham-tory-trans-black-nazis/

A Conservative candidate in next months local elections has been suspended from the party after tweeting an image that apparently equated trans, intersex and people of colour with Nazis.
Alexander Bramham, who was standing as a Tory in Manchester, tweeted a doctored version of the Dads Army titles showing the Nazis progression through Europe, with the Nazi flags replaced with the flags for trans and intersex people and people of colour.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/01/16/newcastle-let-women-speak-rally-adolt-hitler-trans-speech/

A so-called gender critical activist has been caught on camera quoting Adolf Hitlers Mein Kampf in a speech against trans rights at an anti-trans rally in Newcastle.

During the event, one gender critical speaker who has been identified as UK Guild of Hypnosis Practitioners (UKGH) chair Lisa Morgan quoted Adolf Hitlers 1925 manifesto Mein Kampf.

Addressing the crowd, the hypnosis practitioner of 30 years said: I know about language, and I know that this [gestures to counter-protesters] is based on something that we call the big lie.

Do you know the big lie? The big lie was first described by Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf.
The big lie is such a big lie that ordinary people like us think, Well, that cant be a lie because I would never tell such a big lie as that. We only lie in small ways.
The big lie, well there is one big lie going on, and it was begun by men in the early part of the 20th century. It began when they had an erotic fantasy and they decided they were going to sell us the big lie and what is the big lie?
The big lie is that trans women are women. But theyre not are they? Theyre men and we know that.
The term big lie was coined by Hitler in Mein Kampf and was used by the German leader as a technique to describe the behaviour of Jewish people. Specifically, he accused Jews of using the big lie to discredit Germanys efforts in World War I and blame the countrys loss on general Erich Ludendorff.
It is widely believed this technique was used by the Nazis as part of their extensive propaganda to turn the German people against the Jews and justify the Holocaust.

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I disagree entirely with this assumption. Because thats not my interpretation of his post given the context of the topic. I dunno why your assumption of his intent is more credible than mine.

I say this a lot, but I genuinely think this place is way too pessimistic about intentions.

I interpreted his post as addressing the idea that cis can not be a slur. Even reasonable posters ITT are claiming it never can be. Which is wild. I get not thinking it is one currently. But never?

A slur, to me, is a derogatory term for a specific group or identity of people. Unless my definition is too vague, Cis has the potential to be a slur. Even if Elon is an idiot and doesnt even know the term.

The benefit to the conversation is debatable. I mean, coming into a topic just to say Yea, but what about ___ is always lame.

But its not any more productive than everyone agreeing Musk is a moron, so Im just shocked the post accrued such contempt. Theres barely a conversation happening. At least he spurred a potential conversation.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

The benefit to the conversation is debatable.

Pursue this line of thought more than the others.

CSCA33 posted...

They want to be oppressed so bad and cry victim.

It's no different than the 'Christian Persecution Complex'

Deep down they want to be "persecuted" so they can play the victim card. It's frankly rather pathetic.

I didnt know that posters history if thats true.

I guess I dont understand what would be the benefit of things if my assumptions are wrong.

I cant think that someone would see Musks post and agree, so I figure nobody could come in here and encourage it.

I mean, I know I get defensive a lot, but its mainly because when I try to be reasonable and hear folks out, its like people think what I say is just so outrageous or dumb.

Ive tried trimming more aggressive language but its like my views on things are constantly disagreed with.

And Ill be honest, I also didnt expect such a direct response, since I feel like I can read people okay. But I am not too prideful to admit I seem to always end up sticking up for trolls and stuff, which annoys me because it discredits me.

So maybe Im off base. I dunno.

That poster stopped posting which doesnt help the situation either.

Considering that all cis means is that you identify with the gender you were born with I can't ever see it as a slur. Elon musk is a complete idiot with absolutely no awareness of anyone else but himself

A lot of knee-jerk reaction to the term "cis" from cisgender people is because it upends their worldview that they are the "default" or "normal" and trans people are to be "othered." Some people don't like being confronted with that reality.

Like, "I'm not a cis woman, I'm just a woman! Don't call me cis."

And it typically goes on from there with intellectual dishonesty about respecting how other people identify or even calling it a slur.

Nirvanas_Nox posted...

Considering that all cis means is that you identify with the gender you were born with I can't ever see it as a slur. Elon musk is a complete idiot with absolutely no awareness of anyone else but himself

It's because he wants identifying with the gender you were born with to be seen as 'normal' and everything else as 'deviant'. He sees being called 'cis' as lumping him in with and normalizing deviancy, which is of course part of the postmodern neo-Marxist woke mind virus plot to destroy Western civilization.

Lillymon posted...

It's because he wants identifying with the gender you were born with to be seen as 'normal' and everything else as 'deviant'. He sees being called 'cis' as lumping him in with and normalizing deviancy, which is of course part of the postmodern neo-Marxist woke mind virus plot to destroy Western civilization.

That makes him even worse in my eyes. I never liked him to begin with but everything he's done just rubs me the wrong way. Wish he'd just go to Mars.

Crimsoness posted...

Something tells me he gets upset at the word cracker too

He is very salty...

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lol no

Boy, this topic got heated.

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No, you were fine. And right tbh.

I always end up looking dumb because I just look at things at face value. I have not typically been on the right side of things historically. And Im too ignorant of the political climate but I try to have opinions anyway.

But its okay. Sorry your day hasnt been great.

As weird and pointless as it seems. Ig I just want to be one of the good posters too.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1716099814264328390

Today I learned that there are heterosexual slurs wtf lmao