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10/27/23 11:01:51 AM
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10/27/23 11:01:52 AM
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punkfanalways
10/27/23 12:22:56 PM
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-hamas-terror-groups-main-operations-base-is-under-shifa-hospital-in-gaza-city/

Just in case you needed any more prove for how shitty that terrorist group is.
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Kimbos_Egg
10/27/23 12:23:29 PM
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no but its isreals fault that terrorists are hiding behind civilians. /s

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meatlesshotdogz
10/27/23 12:23:55 PM
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Is it not obvious theyre shitty based off of terrorist group or what
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Guide
10/27/23 12:24:40 PM
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meatlesshotdogz posted...
Is it not obvious theyre shitty based off of terrorist group or what
lmao

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DarthAragorn
10/27/23 12:24:44 PM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
no but its isreals fault that terrorists are hiding behind civilians.
No one has said that

But it is partially Israel's fault that the terrorists exist at all, and civilian casualties from bombings are also partially their fault

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punkfanalways
10/27/23 12:25:16 PM
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meatlesshotdogz posted...
Is it not obvious theyre shitty based off of terrorist group or what

Its not a universal view and a larger proportion would have you believe pointing it out means you support everything Israel does.
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punkfanalways
10/27/23 12:26:09 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
No one has said that

But it is partially Israel's fault that the terrorists exist at all, and civilian casualties from bombings are also partially their fault

2005 Israel pulled out of Gaza and dismantled a large proportion of of Israeli settlements. The Hama attacks continued
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Strider102
10/27/23 12:27:11 PM
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I feel bad for any civilians inside that don't know about the base and feel bad they they could all get killed by bombs.

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IceCreamOnStero
10/27/23 12:28:55 PM
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punkfanalways posted...
2005 Israel pulled out of Gaza

And not out of West Bank. Why are you leaving out crucial information?

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rynobot
10/27/23 12:30:14 PM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
And not out of West Bank. Why are you leaving out crucial information?
Because he is....

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Doom_Art
10/27/23 12:30:18 PM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
And not out of West Bank. Why are you leaving out crucial information?
Hamas is not the governing Palestinian entity of the West Bank

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reincarnator07
10/27/23 12:32:05 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Hamas is not the governing Palestinian entity of the West Bank
Awesome, so Israel should be leaving them alone and not also committing atrocities there, right?

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IceCreamOnStero
10/27/23 12:35:49 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Hamas is not the governing Palestinian entity of the West Bank
Which should suggest that West Bank peacefully coexists with Israel and is an indicator that if Hamas immediately ended all attacks, they'd be left alone, just like Israel defenders claim would happen, right?

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Foppe
10/27/23 12:36:13 PM
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I mean, Israel have never lied before or done any war crimes, and it is impossible for them to fabricate fake evidence, it is not like both sides are having a propaganda war or something!

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Hornezz
10/27/23 12:44:22 PM
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It's probably smart to not take claims like this at face value, as the IDF have a documented history of using the human shield narrative as an excuse to cover up the killings of civilians.

Like that time when a soldier shot and killed a nurse, and then IDF released an edited video to make it sound like she said she was a human shield:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Rouzan_al-Najjar

Or when when Israeli tanks attacked a school, killing 40 civilians and the IDF falsely claimed it was a Hamas base:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Fakhura_school_incident

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cjsdowg
10/27/23 12:52:02 PM
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This is the proof given. A freaking 3D cartoon. Also so I guess that means they did hit the Hosptial ?

https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/1717916845859078531


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Metroid_Food
10/27/23 12:53:22 PM
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So in other words, israel is making a claim so they can conduct a massacre. Never seen them do that before.
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cjsdowg
10/27/23 12:54:34 PM
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Why is it that the IDF can lie, we can catch them in their lies and next thing they claim. We take it at face value ?

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Metroid_Food
10/27/23 12:54:45 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
This is the proof given. A freaking 3D cartoon. Also so I guess that means they did hit the Hosptial ?

https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/1717916845859078531

This topic is evidence that yes, you have people dumb enough to believe this.
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EmbraceOfDeath
10/27/23 12:55:51 PM
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punkfanalways posted...
Its not a universal view and a larger proportion would have you believe pointing it out means you support everything Israel does.
That's funny, because it's way more common for people to claim you support Hamas if you're against Israel.

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AOC
10/27/23 12:58:57 PM
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Hamas and Hezbollah regularly use human shields and have been for many years. I hope no one underplays how much of pure filth they are.
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Kuuko
10/27/23 1:11:51 PM
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Israel has fucked up their information campaign on the hospital bombing so badly that even if they didn't bomb it, they've made themselves look more suspicious about every other incident in Gaza right now. In the very immediate aftermath of the hospital bombing, some official Israelis were taking credit and justified it by saying that Hamas uses hospitals as bases. Then they backtracked and said that they looked more and figured out they didn't bomb it though. Then said that they'd publicly release audio recording proving Hamas did it. Then the audio recording they release to the public was found to be faked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ahli_Arab_Hospital_explosion
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/1/0/AAZQKKAAE-re.jpg

To be honest I lean toward trusting the US intelligence opinion the most, which is leaning more toward Hamas having accidentally done it, but Israel's lackadaisical attitude about the death toll and their loose attitude about being truthful about it at all makes every single thing they say and do sketchy by default.

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CoyoteTheGreat
10/27/23 1:12:32 PM
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meatlesshotdogz posted...
Is it not obvious theyre shitty based off of terrorist group or what

Terrorism is actually good and cool when its a state we support doing it though /s.

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Southernfatman
10/27/23 1:13:32 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
This is the proof given. A freaking 3D cartoon. Also so I guess that means they did hit the Hosptial ?

https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/1717916845859078531

Reminds me of that old pic of the supposed Bin Laden compound that's straight out of a James Bond movie.

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Plumeofdusk
10/27/23 1:15:30 PM
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It looks like a place they'd send solid snake to
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CARRRNE_ASADA
10/27/23 1:16:25 PM
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I think they should send soldiers after HAMAS instead of treating collateral damage as acceptable.

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willythemailboy
10/27/23 1:19:40 PM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
I think they should send soldiers after HAMAS instead of treating collateral damage as acceptable.
How much collateral damage do you think that would cause?

BlueTigerLion posted...
It makes less sense they bombed that hospital a couple days ago if they have bases at a hospital.
No one is claiming Hamas or whoever dropped a rocket on the hospital on purpose.

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noisetank
10/27/23 1:21:32 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
I guess that means they did hit the Hosptial


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BewmHedshot
10/27/23 1:22:42 PM
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So that makes it okay that Israel bombed a hospital?
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willythemailboy
10/27/23 1:24:52 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
Also so I guess that means they did hit the Hosptial ?

How does that follow? "Oh, we know there's a Hamas base under this hospital so we'll bomb it in a way that can't possibly destroy the base."

I doubt the people in the tunnels under the hospital even heard the explosion, let alone being endangered by it.

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AnsestralRecall
10/27/23 1:25:03 PM
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punkfanalways posted...
2005 Israel pulled out of Gaza

Lol, no they didn't
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HOON
10/27/23 1:27:49 PM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
I think they should send soldiers after HAMAS instead of treating collateral damage as acceptable.
They would just use the doctors and patients as hostages and human shields. There is no easy fix here.

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andel
10/27/23 1:29:24 PM
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AnsestralRecall posted...
Lol, no they didn't

it was '06 iirc but gaza hasn't been occupied by israel in close to 20 years, the west bank is the occupied territory. people seem to not understand that somehow

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name_unknown
10/27/23 1:29:30 PM
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AnsestralRecall posted...
Lol, no they didn't
Israel did end its occupation/settlements in Gaza and then created a blockade around the strip.
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AnsestralRecall
10/27/23 1:29:42 PM
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HOON posted...
They would just use the doctors and patients as hostages and human shields. There is no easy fix here.

Is that all you all can say? "No easy fix, they had no choice but to do what they did, bombing hospitals and civilians is okay because Hamas is hard to deal with"
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AnsestralRecall
10/27/23 1:31:19 PM
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name_unknown posted...
Israel did end its occupation/settlements in Gaza and then created a blockade around the strip.

And continue to hold their water and electricity hostage. They have military presence located on most Gazan land borders.

They only "left" because the point was to imprison them.
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Metroid_Food
10/27/23 1:33:41 PM
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They've cut off all communications to/from Gaza, they intend a holocaust there and have already stated their intent to bomb more hospitals.

It's a holocaust happening, you're seeing the type of shit you thought got done and dusted in WW2 happening right now.
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Forty_Niners
10/27/23 1:43:03 PM
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Never forget.

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Ronaldo
10/27/23 1:45:38 PM
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The situation in Gaza is very complex, but it is very clear Gaza can no longer be governed by Hamas and Hamas can no longer be seen as a resistance movement against Israel by Palestinians. It is a shame Hamas is so disgustingly abhorrent that they are preventing evacuations and using human shields to an extent thousands of innocents will die when they did not need to.
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name_unknown
10/27/23 1:50:13 PM
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AnsestralRecall posted...
And continue to hold their water and electricity hostage. They have military presence located on most Gazan land borders.

They only "left" because the point was to imprison them.
Demographic concerns, the maintenance of a Jewish majority in Israeli-controlled areas, played a significant role in the development of the policy.[18][19][20]
The rationale for the disengagement has been partly attributed to Arnon Soffers campaign regarding "the danger the Palestinian womb posed to Israeli democracy."[21] Sharon mentioned the demographic rationale in a public address on August 15, 2005, the day of the disengagement, as follows: "It is no secret that, like many others, I had believed and hoped we could forever hold onto Netzarim and Kfar Darom. But the changing reality in the country, in the region, and the world, required of me a reassessment and change of positions. We cannot hold on to Gaza forever. More than a million Palestinians live there and double their number with each generation."[22][23] At the same time, Shimon Peres, then Vice Prime Minister, stated in an interview that: We are disengaging from Gaza because of demography.[23]

Israel left because they knew they couldn't hold it. They also didn't like the alternative of making Gaza citizens of Israel. I believe South Africa was referenced where the originally oppressed population was able to gain head of government, ie Mandela. The blockade is a big human rights violation where Gaza was left stateless and under Israel's thumb.
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Chicken
10/27/23 1:53:47 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/9/2/AAfg3pAAE6Wo.jpg

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name_unknown
10/27/23 1:58:04 PM
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Not having a unified Gaza and West Bank and one run by terrorists keeps the two state solution in the background. With that no borders can be drawn and Israel gets to keep adding settlements in the West Bank which have never stopped.
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punkfanalways
10/27/23 1:59:23 PM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
And not out of West Bank. Why are you leaving out crucial information?

I answered this in the other topic and you just accused me of acting in bad faith.
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