Current Events > Honestly, Hillary should run for president again.

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Biden is too god dang old smh

I'm not sure she has the qualifications, though Lizzy McGuire was really good for its time

It's her turn

I really dont understand why both parties are pushing old and incompetent fools as their front runners for ultimate position of power.
Like why cant they push for someone sane and competent like Obama?

DemonBuffet posted...

I really dont understand why both parties are pushing old and incompetent fools as their front runners for ultimate position of power.
Like why cant they push for someone sane and competent like Obama?

Biden makes sense because you want to coast off already having someone in the presidency whenever possible.

Trump "makes sense" because the GOP is an unfortunate combination of stupid and insane.

nah

No

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We're probably getting Trump regardless, given the way swing states are polling.

why not have Kamala Harris run then?

WellKnownNomad posted...

why not have Kamala Harris run then?

No one likes her.

Bestoffuture posted...

No one likes her.

i would argue Kamala Harris is slightly more likable than Hillary

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I suppose we'll see. I don't want it to happen, but I think it will if they can't prosecute Trump in time.

WellKnownNomad posted...

i would argue Kamala Harris is slightly more likable than Hillary

What a stunning endorsement, an absolute achievement of being more likeable than the person that lost the tap-in victory vs Trump.

Hillary should fuck off to the most remote corner of the planet.

pretzelcoatl posted...

I suppose we'll see. I don't want it to happen, but I think it will if they can't prosecute Trump in time.

Keep in mind that polls have been severely underestimating Democrats since the Dobbs decision.

I don't think there is a single person I would want to run against Trump less than the person who lost to Trump. Yeah I realize popular vote and yadda yadda yadda point is Biden could do it and she couldn't so I have a million times more faith in him.

Also she is literally five years younger than Biden, and two than Trump, she doesn't solve the "these candidates are too old" thing either

I feel like only a Trumper or Bernie Bro would say this because those 2 groups are fucking obsessed with her and the thought of her ever running again.

Nobody who wants Dems to win the Presidential election wants her to return.

WellKnownNomad posted...

i would argue Kamala Harris is slightly more likable than Hillary

I would vote for Harris (and I wouldn't have voted for Hillary with a pistol pointed at me) but unfortunately her favorability polling is not great.

Kradek posted...

I feel like only a Trumper or Bernie Bro would say this because those 2 groups are fucking obsessed with her and the thought of her ever running again.

No "Bernie Bros" say that, it's a completely made up phenomenon from moronic Hillary supporters.

Inohira posted...

No "Bernie Bros" say that it's a completely made up phenomenon from moronic Hillary supporters.

I come from the politics board. The people who scream the loudest every time there was a news article about Hillary Clinton over something stupid like an aide going "yeah she might wanna run again", they were the loudest ones screaming fuck no and also the ones who constantly bring up how she "stole" the primary from Sanders.

Putting 2 and 2 together isn't hard. Not everyone who likes/idolizes Sanders is a Bernie Bro. I get that people use that term loosely, however I use it for a very specific behavioral pattern that in this case arises every single time Clinton is mentioned and they start cursing her return, even when it's not even her saying she's seeking another run or a return to politics, just that she hasn't ruled it out.

And people would have to talk them down from the ledge.

Trumpers are obsessed with her in a different way in that they want her to return because they know it will fuck with Dems and help Trump. Also because of all the conspiracies created around her.

As for them "not existing", I literally watched a guy more progressive than me back in 2015, who idolized Sanders as I did, start going on about the "if you or I did what she did we'd be in jail right now", ultimately leading to him voting for Trump, spreading the Killer Klinton conspiracies, and becoming one of the most insufferable sacks of shit imaginable when it comes to politics.

Am I saying enough of these people exist to have cost her the election? I dunno, I doubt it, but don't tell me they don't exist because I literally witnessed the transformation for the worst case scenario. And it was especially sad because he was my favorite coworker there and we hung out outside of work, as well as being politically attuned.

Keep in mind Hillary had like 3 decades worth of right-wing propaganda built up against her. For a lot of people they just needed the thinnest of excuses to validate that bullshit.

Kradek posted...

Putting 2 and 2 together isn't hard. Not everyone who likes/idolizes Sanders is a Bernie Bro. I get that people use that term loosely, however I use it for a very specific behavioral pattern that in this case arises every single time Clinton is mentioned and they start cursing her return, even when it's not even her saying she's seeking another run or a return to politics, just that she hasn't ruled it out.

There is a difference between responding to articles about Hillary saying stupid shit and bringing her up out of nowhere like this topic does.

Kradek posted...

As for them "not existing", I literally watched a guy more progressive than me back in 2015, who idolized Sanders as I did, start going on about the "if you or I did what she did we'd be in jail right now", ultimately leading to him voting for Trump, spreading the Killer Klinton conspiracies, and becoming one of the most insufferable sacks of shit imaginable when it comes to politics.

But that makes him a Trumper. It's not like he wrote in Bernie. >_>

Ooooooranges posted...

Keep in mind that polls have been severely underestimating Democrats since the Dobbs decision.

Boy I hope that continues to be true. But a lot has happened between then and now. People tend to vote against their interests when things are affecting their wallet, though.

A year is a long time, and I hope you're right. Just doesn't feel like it to me at the moment.

Literally the candidate with the most baggage.

Reminder that Hillary got 3 million more votes than Dumpy Trumpy in 2016.

mybbqrules posted...

Reminder that Hillary got 3 million more votes than Dumpy Trumpy in 2016.

Yes, but it didn't end up mattering. Swing states are important.

mybbqrules posted...

Reminder that Hillary got 3 million more votes than Dumpy Trumpy in 2016.

And she STILL lost. Ha!

Save it for 2028

Inohira posted...

There is a difference between responding to articles about Hillary saying stupid shit and bringing her up out of nowhere like this topic does.

Except it's not. I very clearly stated that when you actually read the article, I wasn't even Hillary herself saying "I want to come back to politics and run again for President", it would be aides or "people close to her" saying things like, "well she hasn't ruled it out, so it's possible". They'd take just the very idea that she might come back and go wild with it. The majority of the thread was the people who actually read the article and/or understood it talking them off the ledge by saying, "no, she's not saying she's coming back for another Presidential run. She wasn't even the actual source for what this article is about".

I'm not saying it was a ton of people, but they were regular posters who would frequently fall into this trap because any mention of Clinton possibly coming back drove them insane.

This happened a lot from like 2016-2018, when those type of articles were most prevalent.

Inohira posted...

But that makes him a Trumper. It's not like he wrote in Bernie. >_>

There were objectively Bernie supporters who voted Trump out of spite for Clinton winning the nomination and/or not being in jail for what they thought was an egregiously clear slamdunk case. Once again, I'm not saying they cost her the election, but to deny that there were Sanders supporters who spitefully voted for Trump as a vote against Clinton is to deny reality.

Here's an article on it:

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

After Trump won the election is when he seems to have become more of a Trumper as he was less of someone miffed at Clinton winning the primary and more just increasingly insane with right-wing rhetoric.

Kradek posted...

Except it's not. I very clearly stated that when you actually read the article, I wasn't even Hillary herself saying "I want to come back to politics and run again for President", it would be aides or "people close to her" saying things like, "well she hasn't ruled it out, so it's possible". They'd take just the very idea that she might come back and go wild with it. The majority of the thread was the people who actually read the article and/or understood it talking them off the ledge by saying, "no, she's not saying she's coming back for another Presidential run. She wasn't even the actual source for what this article is about".

Dude a report of something an actual real person said is never going to be comparable to how Trumpers just randonly bring up, "Hillary might need to jump in!" for no reason provoked by nothing. It's a false equivalence, that apparently flies sometimes but not other times.

Kradek posted...

There were objectively Bernie supporters who voted Trump out of spite for Clinton winning the nomination and/or not being in jail for what they thought was an egregiously clear slamdunk case.

Or maybe they just liked Trump and anything Hillary related was secondary?

The article says most of those guys weren't even Democrats.

Inohira posted...

Dude a report of something an actual real person said is never going to be comparable to how Trumpers just randonly bring up, "Hillary might need to jump in!" for no reason provoked by nothing. It's a false equivalence, that apparently flies sometimes but not other times.

What are you even talking about? From the very start I specifically stated that Sanders Supporters and Trumpers lose their mind over her for different reasons. I don't get what point you think you're making by trying to say I'm saying they're the same as Trumpers or in any way equivalent, but it's a nonpoint since it's based off nothing that I'm doing.

Inohira posted...

Or maybe they just liked Trump and anything Hillary related was secondary?

The article says most of those guys weren't even Democrats.

Who says they have to be Democrats to support Sanders? There are plenty of people who hate the Democratic party and the idea of being a Dem yet love Sanders because they are further on the left than the Dem party and much of the U.S. at large is.

I wish I remembered his name, he was a regular on 261 and for a little bit here until he got tired of it, I guess, but the dude would straight up brag about how he didn't vote in 2016 because of Clinton and he was very much so further left than the establishment Dem party.

He's obviously not a good example of what we're specifically talking about, just the type of mentality that someone would have for both being a Sanders supporter and also open to spitefully voting for Trump as a fuck you to Clinton for "stealing the primary from the one who should have won".

Biden's running and he'll beat Trump handily.

Kradek posted...

Who says they have to be Democrats to support Sanders?

What I mean is that if they aren't Democrats then they may have just been natural swing voters, instead of taking action based on spite against Hillary.

Kradek posted...

I wish I remembered his name, he was a regular on 261 and for a little bit here until he got tired of it, I guess, but the dude would straight up brag about how he didn't vote in 2016 because of Clinton and he was very much so further left than the establishment Dem party.

I'm pretty sure he didn't vote for Biden later either, so again that's not a Hillary-specific bias. That's just an anti-establishment voter.

Kradek posted...

He's obviously not a good example of what we're specifically talking about, just the type of mentality that someone would have for both being a Sanders supporter and also open to spitefully voting for Trump as a fuck you to Clinton for "stealing the primary from the one who should have won".

While that's probably a thing specifically I feel it's beyond the scope of the point. I was just doubting that any Bernie supporters are the ones talking about Hillary runs at this point. That just comes off to me as genuine Trump supporter behavior.

Inohira posted...

What I mean is that if they aren't Democrats then they may have just been natural swing voters, instead of taking action based on spite against Hillary.

Ah, well I should have clarified that by "who says they have to be Democrats", I mean Independents further to the left of Dems who refuse to register as a Dem out of principle, yet often vote for those candidates because the alternative is, well, obvious. I'm sure the people you're talking about exist, however I'm specifically addressing people further to the left of Dems who will sabotage the Dem Party out of spite or some personal moral mission. Left-wing accelerationists also do this as they think the quickest way to a socialist/progressive society is to allow Republicans to take over, instigate fascism, and then American society will overwhelmingly rise up against them and end right-wing rule. That route is nonsensical to me as even when fascist societies are eventually overthrown, it's not immediate or quickly. Millions of "undesirable" people would be culled before Americans had the testicular fortitude to cohesively go, "hey, maybe I should do something to stop these fascists from oppressing and executing civilians?"

Inohira posted...

I'm pretty sure he didn't vote for Biden later either, so again that's not a Hillary-specific bias. That's just an anti-establishment voter.

Actually he did. He was one of those fools who "stood by his principals and there was just no way he could vote for Hillary" and also underestimated the damage Trump would do to this nation if he won. A very common belief in 2016, unfortunately. Also, I remember his name now. It was Covenant. Any of my fellow 261ers who remember how this dude posted and wanna chime in with other examples, by all mean.

Inohira posted...

While that's probably a thing specifically I feel it's beyond the scope of the point. I was just doubting that any Bernie supporters are the ones talking about Hillary runs at this point. That just comes off to me as genuine Trump supporter behavior.

I think that's only because we haven't had those articles circulate for awhile. Like I said, the crux of them was back in 2016-2018 where people were worried she'd come back in 2020 for a rematch and those articles teased the parts of their brain that sent them into a tizzy.

Lol no

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2HJxya0CWco&pp=ygUVZHIuIGV2aWwgaG93IGFib3V0IG5v

pretzelcoatl posted...

We're probably getting Trump regardless, given the way swing states are polling.

polls are shit . I stopped resorting to polls since they have a huge right wing bias these days.

2016, Trump had Russian Interference backing, the thrill of being something new.

in 2020, even with russian interference, it was not enoguh, his web of lies and deceit was visible, and while the republicans may always fall in line, he only won in 2016, because of a bunch of hellstars all aligning perfectly.

He will not have that in 24, if anything, it will be the opposite. Republicans are done with him , even his voter base is done with him but they dont have anyone else they like better, same with us but for Biden. Trump is their best shot ( but its not like 2016), and Biden is ours (even though hes not the best either)

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If Biden ran for 2016 he'd have probably lost, and Clinton could have possibly won 2020.

Clinton's first problem was that she didn't take Trump as serious threat (the republican candidates didn't at first either). The other two problems are unique to her. The people upset about Benghazi (not saying someone else wouldn't have acted the same, but she was the one in the position at the time) and being a woman (there was definitely misogyny against her).

This being said, Clinton lost the democratic nomination to Obama in 2008 and lost to Trump in 2016. After defeats in-party and out-of-party, one doesn't look like a winner and also feels like a stale push of a candidate. Those are not good things.

Kim_Seong-a posted...

I'm not sure she has the qualifications, though Lizzy McGuire was really good for its time

I'd vote for Lizzie McGuire for president just to see her internal monologues.

mybbqrules posted...

Reminder that Hillary got 3 million more votes than Dumpy Trumpy in 2016.

And it doesn't matter, because she ran a crappy campaign and lost in the only way that actually matters. Its almost like winning overwhelming majorities in California and New York functionally counts for nothing, and no amount of shaking fists at clouds about the Electoral College is gonna change that.

Inohira posted...

But that makes him a Trumper. It's not like he wrote in Bernie. >_>

Trumpers and 'accelerationists' are the biggest Bernie boosters online. Don't be fooled again.

DemonBuffet posted...

I really dont understand why both parties are pushing old and incompetent fools as their front runners for ultimate position of power.
Like why cant they push for someone sane and competent like Obama?

Because old and incompetent fools preserve the status quo

DarkBuster22904 posted...

And it doesn't matter, because she ran a crappy campaign and lost in the only way that actually matters. Its almost like winning overwhelming majorities in California and New York functionally counts for nothing, and no amount of shaking fists at clouds about the Electoral College is gonna change that.

Jesus fucking Christ, there's a moderator on this site pushing "shut up and let horrible things happen because an undemocratic system thinks people who live in the wrong places count for less" bullshit!?

EDIT: And this isn't about Clinton running a crappy campaign, she wasn't the fucking victim, everyone who voted against Trump and had their votes thrown out was.

Kradek posted...

Actually he did. He was one of those fools who "stood by his principals and there was just no way he could vote for Hillary" and also underestimated the damage Trump would do to this nation if he won. A very common belief in 2016, unfortunately. Also, I remember his name now. It was Covenant. Any of my fellow 261ers who remember how this dude posted and wanna chime in with other examples, by all mean.

Ah, there were so many of those it was hard to pinpoint the specific one. Yeah that was very foolish of that user.

VeesMcGees posted...

If Biden ran for 2016 he'd have probably lost, and Clinton could have possibly won 2020.

Biden only would've lost the primary. He'd have beat Trump, since Trump barely beat Hillary to begin with and people wouldn't have hated Biden for the same reasons (ex. no emails).

Biden is too old to run again, and Trump is actually under indictment. Both should just fuck off.

Hillary is also a lunatic, so it would be cool to see someone else run for both parties.

Biden would've definitely won 2016 given that for all his flaws, at least he doesn't have the negative charisma Hilary has