Current Events > Israel/Palestine War: Live Thread 3 (Invasion for real this time?)

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VFalcone
10/16/23 11:08:10 PM
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Updates:
  • Hamas official demands says that they demand the return of 6,000 men and women who are apparently held prisoner in Israel in exchange for the remaining 199 hostages they hold captive. However, he says it's impossible to know if they're even still alive. https://news.sky.com/story/impossible-to-know-how-many-israeli-hostages-are-still-alive-says-hamas-official-12985674
  • Columbia outta nowhere, threatening to cut ties with Israel over the war with Hamas https://colombiareports.com/colombia-threatens-to-cut-ties-with-israel-over-war-on-gaza/
  • Biden going to Israel this Wednesday
Death Toll:
  • 1,400 Israelis dead, 3,900 wounded (CBS & NBC)
  • 2,800 Palestinians dead, 10,859 wounded (CBS)
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna120545

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/live-updates/israel-hamas-war-gaza-palestinians-hostages-updates/
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Ricemills
10/16/23 11:19:12 PM
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VFalcone posted...
[Invasion for real this time?]

We'll have to see if there's a communication disruption first.

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ShineboxPhil
10/16/23 11:30:15 PM
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If that report of Iran choosing to abandon Hamas is true then wow, they must now feel Iran just betrayed them.

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VFalcone
10/17/23 12:44:10 AM
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ShineboxPhil posted...
If that report of Iran choosing to abandon Hamas is true then wow, they must now feel Iran just betrayed them.
It wasn't, according to an Iran ambassador. He said that statement was not accurate with what Iran I'd planning.
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SHRlKE
10/17/23 3:53:23 AM
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Bump

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Ferarri619
10/17/23 4:06:31 AM
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Wonder if Israel will accept that hostage deal

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divot1338
10/17/23 4:39:08 AM
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Biden is playing this perfectly. I cant tell whether hes threatening Hamas or Israel to chill out by going to visit. By personally taking charge of our interests he reasserts the United States own prerogative to rescue its people. Which in a third country is just as strong as Israels.

It also lets him serve as a human barometer for the jntentions of Hamas and Hezbollah. If they can behave with the POTUS in country then that sets a good tone for an exchange.

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Dark_Arbron
10/17/23 4:51:50 AM
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divot1338 posted...
Biden is playing this perfectly. I cant tell whether hes threatening Hamas or Israel to chill out by going to visit. By personally taking charge of our interests he reasserts the United States own prerogative to rescue its people. Which in a third country is just as strong as Israels.

It also lets him serve as a human barometer for the jntentions of Hamas and Hezbollah. If they can behave with the POTUS in country then that sets a good tone for an exchange.

Wonder if thats why those 2000 troops are being mobilised? Theyre gonna want to fortify the hell out of wherever hes staying.

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Foppe
10/17/23 5:00:18 AM
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divot1338 posted...
Biden is playing this perfectly. I cant tell whether hes threatening Hamas or Israel to chill out by going to visit. By personally taking charge of our interests he reasserts the United States own prerogative to rescue its people. Which in a third country is just as strong as Israels.

It also lets him serve as a human barometer for the jntentions of Hamas and Hezbollah. If they can behave with the POTUS in country then that sets a good tone for an exchange.
It would also look extremely bad for Israel if POTUS would be killed there...

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Dark_Arbron
10/17/23 5:03:36 AM
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Foppe posted...
It would also look extremely bad for Israel if POTUS would be killed there...

And rest assured there will be people in that region more than willing to take a shot. Its a huge risk.

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VFalcone
10/17/23 5:22:52 AM
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Israeli ambassador insists that there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. https://streamable.com/2rnvx4
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Dark_Arbron
10/17/23 5:25:28 AM
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VFalcone posted...
Israeli ambassador insists that there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. https://streamable.com/2rnvx4

Is this a we investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing moment?

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ZaruenKosai
10/17/23 5:32:14 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Is this a we investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing moment?
pretty much

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Ricemills
10/17/23 5:34:40 AM
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VFalcone posted...
Israeli ambassador insists that there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. https://streamable.com/2rnvx4

It's easy to claim no humanitarian crisis if you never consider them as human at the first place.

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ai123
10/17/23 5:36:14 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Is this a we investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing moment?
It's more like 'our job is to look after Israelis. If Palestinians are suffering, that's Hamas' business'.

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CobraGT
10/17/23 6:49:32 AM
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People in Gaza, both citizens and foreigners are not allowed to leave unless they go where they are told. It is so many layers of tyranny. If you are forcing people to leave their home, let them go to Egypt if they want. (Truth is Palestinians are cheap-but-skilled labor so not permitted to leave.)

"Israel has hit the area around the Rafah crossing point at least three times since it began its air campaign on Gaza."

And the facts do not matter in the USA because 65% are pro Israel.

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Foppe
10/17/23 6:51:23 AM
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CobraGT posted...
People in Gaza, both citizens and foreigners are not allowed to leave unless they go where they are told.
They can leave at all?

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divot1338
10/17/23 7:15:14 AM
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Foppe posted...
It would also look extremely bad for Israel if POTUS would be killed there...
Hence the aircraft carriers, Marines etc. You can almost hear the buttholes clapping shut when the news came out.

They wouldnt do it if they didnt feel reasonably confident that they could put down any threat. But its a pretty brave strategy to box out competing interests long enougn to get our people out.

Biden contnues to impress me with how skillfully he navigates a diplomatic situation.

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Foppe
10/17/23 7:17:35 AM
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...I dont want to think about how Trump would have handled this...

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mustachedmystic
10/17/23 7:28:51 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Wonder if thats why those 2000 troops are being mobilised? Theyre gonna want to fortify the hell out of wherever hes staying.
Biden is visiting Wednesday. Da troops wont be dere yef.

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Cheater87
10/17/23 7:30:51 AM
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VFalcone posted...
Israeli ambassador insists that there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. https://streamable.com/2rnvx4

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/7/7/AAEru5AAE8U9.jpg

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SHRlKE
10/17/23 8:28:47 AM
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Just seen a video of a Palestinian house being taken over by Israeli people back in August and the residents kicked out. Apparently their family has lived their for 75 years. WTF. See if I can refind it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/15lbz4p/woman_forced_out_of_her_house_that_she_owned_for/

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CARRRNE_ASADA
10/17/23 8:55:03 AM
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Israel hides so damn much behind "everyone is an antisemite" for calling out what theyre doing.

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ThyCorndog
10/17/23 9:23:15 AM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Israel hides so damn much behind "everyone is an antisemite" for calling out what theyre doing.
israel is very good at propaganda and denial of anything wrong that they do. look up hasbara

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Hornezz
10/17/23 10:49:27 AM
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Missouri university professor posting genocidal comments on Twitter:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/3/9/AACpnzAAE8Xf.jpg

https://www.newsweek.com/professor-praising-cleansing-palestinians-sparks-fury-1834892

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name_unknown
10/17/23 10:57:07 AM
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SHRlKE posted...
Just seen a video of a Palestinian house being taken over by Israeli people back in August and the residents kicked out. Apparently their family has lived their for 75 years. WTF. See if I can refind it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/15lbz4p/woman_forced_out_of_her_house_that_she_owned_for/
Is that the West Bank?

Israeli airstrikes hit 2 refugee camps in Gaza, Palestinian interior ministry says
From CNN's Kareem Khadder in Jerusalem
Israeli airstrikes hit two densely populated refugee camps in central Gaza on Tuesday, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Interior, resulting in casualties.
Al-Bureij refugee camp: At least 12 people were killed and dozens were injured as a result of an airstrike that hit a residential building in the camp in central Gaza, according to a doctor at the Al-Aqsa Hospital.
A high-level Hamas commander, Ayman Nofal Abu Ahmed, was also killed in the strike on the Bureij refugee camp, according to a statement from Al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas' military wing.
Al-Maghazi refugee camp: Israeli shelling also hit a school in the camp located in central Gaza that was housing displaced people, the Palestinian Ministry of Interior said on Tuesday. At least six people were killed, according to the Al-Aqsa Hospital.
CNN has reached out to Israel Defense Forces to comment on these claims.

Either the targeting is shit or it is done on purpose.
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MrMojoRising
10/17/23 11:01:10 AM
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I know all the outlets are saying that Biden is going to Israel as a warning to Hezbollah and shit, but I really think he's over there telling BiBi to chill the fuck out

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DnDer
10/17/23 11:13:50 AM
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VFalcone posted...
Israeli ambassador insists that there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. https://streamable.com/2rnvx4

More like "insists on lying to everyone's goddamn face."

Even if they weren't paving a million people's homes in response to a terror attack, you can't tell me that on any given day that ends in "y" that there isn't a humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

What the fuck.

The temerity.

The audacity.

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Alteres
10/17/23 11:17:55 AM
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name_unknown posted...
Either the targeting is shit or it is done on purpose.

Well, if they dgaf about civilian casualties, it seems they got their target in the first one and god knows what they were targeting in the second.

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DnDer
10/17/23 11:19:43 AM
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name_unknown posted...
Either the targeting is s*** or it is done on purpose.

I bet their targeting is exactly as accurate as you think it is.

Hamas' horrific attack has given Israel a green light to engage in every crime under the sun for the immediate future. Once it quiets down, Israel will have lost so much of its soft power and world respect and support.

More and more, I see how apt all the 9/11 comparisons are getting.

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Foppe
10/17/23 11:21:37 AM
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Alteres posted...
Well, if they dgaf about civilian casualties, it seems they got their target in the first one and god knows what they were targeting in the second.
If we hit refugee camps, we might hit somebody important!

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CobraGT
10/17/23 12:35:35 PM
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Foppe posted...
They can leave at all?

@Foppe

search on "Rafah crossing"

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Foppe
10/17/23 12:38:24 PM
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CobraGT posted...
@Foppe

search on "Rafah crossing"
https://www.reuters.com/world/egypt-us-israel-agree-ceasefire -southern-gaza-opening-rafah-crossing-0600-gmt-2023-10-16/

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CobraGT
10/17/23 12:55:55 PM
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Getting cannot find that page.

There seems to be some miscommunication. */sarcasm* between the planes attacking the street leading to the border and the public relations people who are saying it's open.


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Ya_dun_goofed
10/17/23 1:10:21 PM
#35:


ShineboxPhil posted...
If that report of Iran choosing to abandon Hamas is true then wow, they must now feel Iran just betrayed them.

I mean Hamas was always just a tool, and it seems their more extreme elements overstepped Irans comfort zone. I think Iran was happy with Hamas occasionally shooting a few rockets and failing to stir the pot too much, this most recent attack is the worst terror attack since 9/11 if we exclude states bombing civilians.

As for Bidens visit, I imagine hell be trying to pressure both sides into ending this, an escalation only risk this spreading.

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Trumble
10/17/23 1:11:18 PM
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Ya_dun_goofed posted...
we exclude states bombing civilians.
We probably shouldn't exclude that when a state that does so on a regular basis is one of the most major players in the conflict we're talking about.

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Foppe
10/17/23 1:12:35 PM
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CobraGT posted...
Getting cannot find that page.
Gamefaqs only supports 80 letters, so we are forced to put a space in the middle of the link.
Copy it, remove the space and it will work.

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CommonStar
10/17/23 1:13:30 PM
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Foppe posted...
Gamefaqs only supports 80 letters, so we are forced to put a space in the middle of the link.
Copy it, remove the space and it will work.
No need to space it. Use the code tag next time to bypass the 80 letter limit.
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Ya_dun_goofed
10/17/23 1:17:12 PM
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Hornezz posted...
Missouri university professor posting genocidal comments on Twitter:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/3/9/AACpnzAAE8Xf.jpg

https://www.newsweek.com/professor-praising-cleansing-palestinians-sparks-fury-1834892

Can you say NAZI?

i mean we are comparing a relatively small attack(less than 5k total) to the holocaust(millions), meanwhile we have people calling Palestinians rabid animals and calling for a cleansing

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Trumble
10/17/23 1:18:42 PM
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CommonStar posted...
No need to space it. Use the code tag next time to bypass the 80 letter limit.
...this works? That's fucking awesome to know.

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Ya_dun_goofed
10/17/23 1:18:56 PM
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Trumble posted...
We probably shouldn't exclude that when a state that does so on a regular basis is one of the most major players in the conflict we're talking about.

just taking a jab at the blatant hypocrisy.

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Foppe
10/17/23 1:20:12 PM
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CommonStar posted...
No need to space it. Use the code tag next time to bypass the 80 letter limit.
...we can do that?

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CommonStar
10/17/23 1:21:58 PM
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Foppe posted...
...we can do that?

https://www.reuters.com/world/egypt-us-israel-agree-ceasefire-southern-gaza-opening-rafah-crossing-0600-gmt-2023-10-16/

Yes
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Foppe
10/17/23 1:23:13 PM
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This is a game changer.

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DUKLegend
10/17/23 1:28:56 PM
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Israel just bombed a hospital. 300+ killed.
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VFalcone
10/17/23 1:31:32 PM
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DUKLegend posted...
Israel just bombed a hospital. 300+ killed.
Holy shit!!! Link? I know they were deliberately targeting fire fighters and paramedics but god damn. Let's see them jump through hoops to explain this as being Hamas
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CommonStar
10/17/23 1:34:27 PM
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https://twitter.com/MaramGaza/status/1714324984137486468
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Ya_dun_goofed
10/17/23 1:35:35 PM
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VFalcone posted...
Holy shit!!! Link? I know they were deliberately targeting fire fighters and paramedics but god damn. Let's see them jump through hoops to explain this as being Hamas

Hamas was hiding there behind human shields, done thats their explanation every single time. True or false, they say it every time.

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DUKLegend
10/17/23 1:35:42 PM
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VFalcone posted...
Holy shit!!! Link? I know they were deliberately targeting fire fighters and paramedics but god damn. Let's see them jump through hoops to explain this as being Hamas

https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1714321317120360527

It's all over twitter. I'm hearing 500+ at this point, but no confirmation outside of 300+
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VFalcone
10/17/23 1:40:56 PM
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War crime. Most blatant of all so far. I want to see what r/worldnews thinks about this

Yep.
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