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Cheater87
10/16/23 10:21:41 PM
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I thought we weren't going to fight their war?

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DKBananaSlamma
10/16/23 10:21:58 PM
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Way to go Joe

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Zikten
10/16/23 10:23:04 PM
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so that CEman who said he heard secret info about deployment was right
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Bat178
10/16/23 10:25:27 PM
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And yet he pulled the US out of Afghanistan...

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K181
10/16/23 10:25:49 PM
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Link? CNN is currently showing a story about Hamas hostages.

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hockeybub89
10/16/23 10:26:35 PM
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So the US and other NATO countries putting boots on the ground in Ukraine would have been starting WW3 by sticking our nose where it doesn't belong.

But helping an extremist apartheid state in the Middle East commit genocide under the guise of defeating terrorism is good guys helping out a friend in need.

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Cheater87
10/16/23 10:26:47 PM
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K181 posted...
Link? CNN is currently showing a story about Hamas hostages.

I saw it on the breaking news thing during the OAC interview.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2023/10/16/israel-hamas-war-live-updates/71201737007/

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theAteam
10/16/23 10:28:01 PM
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K181 posted...
Link? CNN is currently showing a story about Hamas hostages.

Nbc but here you go https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/2000-us-troops-told-prepare-deployment-response-israel-hamas-war-rcna120694

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K181
10/16/23 10:28:09 PM
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Found it:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/politics/us-marines-pentagon-israel/index.html

To be fair, 2000 marines are being sent to the task force in the area, but its not necessarily a sign that theyre going to be deployed on the ground. Might just be a threat amplifier.

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FolkenRawr
10/16/23 10:28:29 PM
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2000 troops is the same as zero troops. What's the point?

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EDF-5
10/16/23 10:28:41 PM
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How long will troops be there THIS time?
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Payzmaykr
10/16/23 10:28:44 PM
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/pentagon-puts-troops-notice-prepare-200825301.html

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin has ordered a select number of U.S. troops to prepare to deploy in support of Israel, multiple outlets have reported.
About 2,000 such troops were chosen this weekend to be ready to assist with advising and medical support, The Wall Street Journal first reported.
The forces will be pulled from across the U.S. armed services, with the troops currently stationed inside the Middle East and in nearby Europe. But officials have not said which units were chosen or the location they would deploy to, according to the Journal.
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creativeme
10/16/23 10:31:04 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
So the US and other NATO countries putting boots on the ground in Ukraine would have been starting WW3 by sticking our nose where it doesn't belong.

But helping an extremist apartheid state in the Middle East commit genocide under the guise of defeating terrorism is good guys helping out a friend in need.

i thought isreal was in NATO but just looked at they're a "non-Nato ally." so how is that ranked higher than ukraine that's been in the process to join NATO?

this really doesn't make sense.

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K181
10/16/23 10:36:25 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
So the US and other NATO countries putting boots on the ground in Ukraine would have been starting WW3 by sticking our nose where it doesn't belong.

But helping an extremist apartheid state in the Middle East commit genocide under the guise of defeating terrorism is good guys helping out a friend in need.

Because Russia has nukes and Palestine doesnt. Thats pretty blatantly obvious.

creativeme posted...
i thought isreal was in NATO but just looked at they're a "non-Nato ally." so how is that ranked higher than ukraine that's been in the process to join NATO?

this really doesn't make sense.


A country being designated as a MNNA doesnt make it a mutual defense pact, but rather a recognition of a deep military partnership. All that does is open the door for easier access to military and financial aid.

Ukraine has nothing to do with it, and NATO has a pretty sensible policy of not accepting new members that are in a war. Expanding a red line defensive alliance into a war zone doesnt really make sense.

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JuanCarlos1
10/16/23 10:38:03 PM
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Why are even foreign soldiers necessary when IDF has so many in relation to the threat? 2k troops just sounds like a show of support though.

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VFalcone
10/16/23 10:38:47 PM
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If one of those soldiers die, that'll be used as an excuse for war
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streamofthesky
10/16/23 10:39:37 PM
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FolkenRawr posted...
2000 troops is the same as zero troops. What's the point?
Any country that attacks US troops provokes a US response.
Do Iran, Syria, or Lebanon want to be the next Iraq?

They're being positioned there for the exact same but opposite reason Biden avoids (officially) putting any US forces within Ukraine.

I've also seen people say it's to try and rescue the hostages with some sort of super duper cool spec ops mission you seen in the movies, but that sounds incredibly implausible, unfortunately.

creativeme posted...
i thought isreal was in NATO but just looked at they're a "non-Nato ally." so how is that ranked higher than ukraine that's been in the process to join NATO?

this really doesn't make sense.
Israel has been a major US ally for over 70 years; Ukraine has been a US ally for like....a decade, maybe.
A nuclear-armed country is in Ukraine. There are no nuclear countries in Israel/Gaza.

Seems pretty simple to me...
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Zikten
10/16/23 10:40:05 PM
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VFalcone posted...
If one of those soldiers dies, that'll be used as an excuse for war
Even if they are shot by friendly fire IDF
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hockeybub89
10/16/23 10:40:08 PM
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K181 posted...
Because Russia has nukes and Palestine doesnt. Thats pretty blatantly obvious.
So don't help innocents if they're being slaughtered by a dictator with nukes, but help another budding dictator with nukes slaughter innocents.

I guess we would team up with Putin and conquer Ukraine if we could benefit from it. Perhaps Putin should try to invade the entire world since we'd let someone kill billions if they have nukes.

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K181
10/16/23 10:46:24 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
So don't help innocents if they're being slaughtered by a dictator with nukes, but help another budding dictator with nukes slaughter innocents.

I guess we would team up with Putin and conquer Ukraine if we could benefit from it. Perhaps Putin should try to invade the entire world since we'd let someone kill billions if they have nukes.

I know youre trying to make a point, but youre not really nor does hyperbole sell the point.

We have a long-standing partnership with Israel, so nothings changed there, and weve been giving Ukraine huge amounts of aid that has allowed their forces to contain and force back Russians.

Plus, again, Palestine isnt going to start WWIII. Attacking Russia would.

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Torgo
10/16/23 10:48:44 PM
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Bat178 posted...
And yet he pulled the US out of Afghanistan...

Trump technically initiated that, but because republicans are cowardly cartoon villains, they immediately turned around from lauding Trump for being "anti-war" to attacking Biden for sticking to the timeline.

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Smashingpmkns
10/16/23 10:51:28 PM
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Zikten posted...
Even if they are shot by friendly fire IDF
Wouldn't be the first time friendly fire was blamed on an opposing side.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman

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Cheater87
10/16/23 10:53:02 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Wouldn't be the first time friendly fire was blamed on an opposing side.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman

Don't forget the USS Liberty.

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hexa
10/16/23 10:54:26 PM
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Zikten posted...
so that CEman who said he heard secret info about deployment was right

his name is clyde_frog
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TyVulpine
10/16/23 10:55:08 PM
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Bat178 posted...
And yet he pulled the US out of Afghanistan...
That was mainly Trump's doing. He started the downsizing, refused to brief Biden during the transfer of power, and left Biden in a tough spot of either finishing the withdrawal and get blamed for anything that goes wrong or re-commit troops back to Afghanistan and get the blame for that. Biden was in a no-win situation.

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Ricemills
10/16/23 11:03:49 PM
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DKBananaSlamma posted...
Way to go Joe

I hate to say this, but Trump is getting higher chance for the next election because of this.

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TyVulpine
10/16/23 11:04:36 PM
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Ricemills posted...
I hate to say this, but Trump is getting higher chance for the next election.
No way is Trump winning a second term. He lost the popular vote twice already. I don't see him winning in 2024.

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Ricemills
10/16/23 11:11:27 PM
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TyVulpine posted...
No way is Trump winning a second term. He lost the popular vote twice already. I don't see him winning in 2024.

This kind of arrogance is why Hillary lost. Especially when she won the popular vote.

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Kradek
10/16/23 11:19:30 PM
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Ricemills posted...
This kind of arrogance is why Hillary lost. Especially when she won the popular vote.

It's true we can never count Trump out, 2016 showed us that, however the 2018, 2020, and 2022 elections showed an overwhelming rejection of Trumpism. In this previous election they were expecting a red wave in the House and taking back the Senate, instead they got a 4 seat majority (all from New York, which did have redistricting and successful crime fearmongering) and saw the Dems gain a seat.

Since Trump only gets worse and even more unhinged, never better, the pattern would suggest it very unlikely that suddenly people overwhelmingly come back into supporting him and his extremism.

Especially since he's at the point of justifying not defending the Cons. and executing officials for not helping him end democracy.

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streamofthesky
10/16/23 11:20:13 PM
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Ricemills posted...
This kind of arrogance is why Hillary lost. Especially when she won the popular vote.
Hamas murdered over two dozen Americans and has more still hostage.
If Biden did nothing, Republicans would have a field day. He doesn't have that "saintly shield" of Ronnie Reagan (never forget the bunker bombing).

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Patriotwolf
10/16/23 11:49:43 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
So the US and other NATO countries putting boots on the ground in Ukraine would have been starting WW3 by sticking our nose where it doesn't belong.

But helping an extremist apartheid state in the Middle East commit genocide under the guise of defeating terrorism is good guys helping out a friend in need.

Your antisemitism is showing.

Exactly how many civilians died on Afghanistan and Iraq?

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TyVulpine
10/16/23 11:52:22 PM
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Patriotwolf posted...
Your antisemitism is showing.

Exactly how many civilians died on Afghanistan and Iraq?
I laugh when people pull the youre anti-Semite if you dont support Israel!. Never mind that Israel spent the last 70 years stealing Palestinian land; right?

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Patriotwolf
10/16/23 11:55:00 PM
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TyVulpine posted...
I laugh when people pull the youre anti-Semite if you dont support Israel!. Never mind that Israel spent the last 70 years stealing Palestinian land; right?

If you are American or European you have zero room to talk

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Ricemills
10/16/23 11:56:34 PM
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Patriotwolf posted...
If you are American or European you have zero room to talk

Fortunately I'm not either, so what if i said that?

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TyVulpine
10/16/23 11:57:20 PM
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Patriotwolf posted...
If you are American or European you have zero room to talk
And yet I did anyway.

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streamofthesky
10/17/23 12:01:54 AM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

It's not confirmed, but fair enough.
Enemy nuclear armed countries.
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nocturnal_traveler
10/17/23 12:04:33 AM
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Another war to feed the military industrial complex. Sucks that Israel is part of NATO, since it makes the US kind of obligated to help them in some way.

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Ricemills
10/17/23 12:05:52 AM
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nocturnal_traveler posted...
Sucks that Israel is part of NATO

They're not.

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MistyKnight
10/17/23 12:05:59 AM
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Patriotwolf posted...
If you are American or European you have zero room to talk
Wow this is the dumbest comment I've seen about anything on gf in a minute. Congrats

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Collat
10/17/23 12:06:14 AM
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To help Palestine right?

Right?
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nocturnal_traveler
10/17/23 12:06:28 AM
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Ricemills posted...
They're not.
Then why are we sending in troops?

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Collat
10/17/23 12:07:33 AM
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Patriotwolf posted...
If you are American or European you have zero room to talk
I'm neither.

And they are right.
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MistyKnight
10/17/23 12:07:50 AM
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nocturnal_traveler posted...
Then why are we sending in troops?
In a non combat capacity

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Ricemills
10/17/23 12:09:38 AM
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Collat posted...
To help Palestine right?

Unfortunately no.

Payzmaykr posted...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/pentagon-puts-troops-notice-prepare-200825301.html

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin has ordered a select number of U.S. troops to prepare to deploy in support of Israel, multiple outlets have reported.
About 2,000 such troops were chosen this weekend to be ready to assist with advising and medical support, The Wall Street Journal first reported.
The forces will be pulled from across the U.S. armed services, with the troops currently stationed inside the Middle East and in nearby Europe. But officials have not said which units were chosen or the location they would deploy to, according to the Journal


nocturnal_traveler posted...
Then why are we sending in troops?
Why not also ask why keep sending them money?

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MarcyWarcy
10/17/23 12:09:52 AM
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nocturnal_traveler posted...
Then why are we sending in troops?

to try to deter hezbollah from interfering with the genocide

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hockeybub89
10/17/23 12:18:21 AM
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Patriotwolf posted...
Your antisemitism is showing.

Exactly how many civilians died on Afghanistan and Iraq?
Over 400,000 approximately

But I was talking about Israel being run by an evil fascist who wants to eliminate all Palestinians and has been committing human rights abuses since way before the Hamas attack.

But apparently being critical of Israel is "antisemitic". You'd rightfully call me stupid if I said criticism of Hamas is islamophobic

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nocturnal_traveler
10/17/23 1:22:48 AM
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Ricemills posted...
Why not also ask why keep sending them money?
That's a good question.

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Hexenherz
10/17/23 1:38:04 AM
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The reporting makes it pretty clear that additional forces are being sent to deter further aggression and escalation of hostilities beyond Palestine and Israel, and to help with humanitarian efforts and civilian evacuation.

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