Current Events > NYU law student loses high-profile job offer over her Israel-Hamas comments

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Ninjaluver
10/11/23 1:53:37 PM
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https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/4757102/

The president of the Student BAR Association at NYU Law School lost her job offer from the firm she had just previously done her summer clerkship with over the comments she published in a statement distributed to the other students as part of her role as SBA President.

She's also been the target of a lot of fire by the media and people on social media over this. I'm not going to list her name because I don't like the idea of people harassing her.

To be fair, her comments were really unhinged. It's perfectly fine to be Pro-Palestine (I am), but to say you won't condemn the brutal murder of a thousand innocent civilians and all the other horiffic acts that happened a few days ago...that's not being pro-palestine. That's just....I can't even imagine what type of person could possibly think sending this message out would not lead to repercussions.

The most controversial part of her statement issued immediately after the attack was, Israel bears full responsibility for this tremendous loss of life. This regime of state-sanctioned violence created the conditions that made resistance necessary. I will not condemn Palestinian resistance,"

This is almost as bad as all those people on Twitter actively celebrating the attack and the deaths of those people.

Her full statement is linked below:

https://twitter.com/OrenSMizr/status/1711783750663819375
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CruelBuffalo
10/11/23 1:56:11 PM
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Isnt her employment with a corporate law firm too? Or at least thats what I lot of shade I saw online said
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kuwab0
10/11/23 1:56:14 PM
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Deserved just for saying Yall

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Cemith
10/11/23 1:58:09 PM
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kuwab0 posted...
Deserved just for saying Yall

Y'all is a perfectly reasonable contraction casually and I will die on this hill.

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MatzoTov
10/11/23 1:58:44 PM
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I will never understand why people open their mouths at all on things like this. What exactly do you stand to gain? Is there some massively profound contribution you think you'll be able to make with your tweet/email?

Whether it's this, Ukraine, politics, whatever - you're going to piss off 50% of the population. Doesn't matter if you're right or not. Why bother taking a stance when you stand to gain literally nothing?

kuwab0 posted...
Deserved just for saying Yall
Also, this.

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ironman2009
10/11/23 1:59:20 PM
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kuwab0 posted...
Deserved just for saying Yall

https://youtu.be/ilu6HyawOL0?si=bjNhlE-TOn0L5PCq

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xlr_big-coop
10/11/23 2:01:57 PM
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MatzoTov posted...
I will never understand why people open their mouths at all on things like this. What exactly do you stand to gain? Is there some massively profound contribution you think you'll be able to make with your tweet/email?

Whether it's this, Ukraine, politics, whatever - you're going to piss off 50% of the population. Doesn't matter if you're right or not. Why bother taking a stance when you stand to gain literally nothing?
Exactly this. She's a literally who and her opinion won't change shit.

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TheDurinator
10/11/23 2:03:13 PM
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kuwab0 posted...
Deserved just for saying Yall

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CruelBuffalo
10/11/23 2:04:35 PM
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Cemith posted...


Y'all is a perfectly reasonable contraction casually and I will die on this hill.

Same
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Frostshock
10/11/23 2:07:39 PM
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Replace Israel with any other country 7+ timezones away and people suddenly won't care what goes on.

It really has some strange reality warping power.

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TendoDRM
10/11/23 2:08:15 PM
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kuwab0 posted...
Deserved just for saying Yall

And not knowing how commas work.

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tankboy
10/11/23 2:08:19 PM
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Cemith posted...
Y'all is a perfectly reasonable contraction casually and I will die on this hill.

Not at NYC BigLaw, sorry.
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Questionmarktarius
10/11/23 2:09:30 PM
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Israel is responsible for Hamas decapitating babies?
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Damn_Underscore
10/11/23 2:10:52 PM
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TendoDRM posted...
And not knowing how commas work.

Seriously, how did she have such a great job offer, with this writing ability

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Ninjaluver
10/11/23 2:13:06 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Israel is responsible for Hamas decapitating babies?

Some people unironically believe this. I saw a video of a protest in NYC yesterday where everybody was literally cheering as the guy with the megaphone talked about the murders.

You'd be amazed at the wild stuff people are saying out there. I've heard some people say, "There are no innocents or civilians in Israel. Every single person living there is an 'occupying settler', not a civilian and therefore deserves what happens". They actually believe that. It's dystopian.
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YellowSUV
10/11/23 2:13:51 PM
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MatzoTov posted...
I will never understand why people open their mouths at all on things like this. What exactly do you stand to gain? Is there some massively profound contribution you think you'll be able to make with your tweet/email?

Whether it's this, Ukraine, politics, whatever - you're going to piss off 50% of the population. Doesn't matter if you're right or not. Why bother taking a stance when you stand to gain literally nothing?

Just because you are in college, doesn't mean you are smart, especially street smart. It's common knowledge that any criticism of Israel in America is risky (look at states trying to ban Israel boycotts for example).

Saying that Israel "bears full responsibility" for Hamas murdering thousands of people is just plain next level dumb though.

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Questionmarktarius
10/11/23 2:21:51 PM
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Ninjaluver posted...
You'd be amazed at the wild stuff people are saying out there. I've heard some people say, "There are no innocents or civilians in Israel. Every single person living there is an 'occupying settler', not a civilian and therefore deserves what happens". They actually believe that. It's dystopian.
The "other" mentality always assumes the "other" is a monolithic hive-mind, and not individuals with individual thought and individual actions. Once the othering is complete, any moral implications can be conveniently discarded.
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MuscleRobo
10/11/23 2:22:59 PM
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kuwab0 posted...
Deserved just for saying Yall
That's what I was going to say I hate these people going to NYU's Law School with a six figure job lined up going "Hi Y'All!"
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Priere
10/11/23 2:47:56 PM
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kuwab0 posted...
Deserved just for saying Yall
"Yikes yall! Big oof ilk!"

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Ninjaluver
10/11/23 8:30:09 PM
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Frostshock posted...
Replace Israel with any other country 7+ timezones away and people suddenly won't care what goes on.

It really has some strange reality warping power.

I don't know what you think happens in other developed countries, but I promise you that if China swooped in and gunned down a thousand Japanese civilians in 2023, people would definitely care....
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DerWillZurMacht
10/11/23 8:33:30 PM
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MatzoTov posted...
I will never understand why people open their mouths at all on things like this. What exactly do you stand to gain? Is there some massively profound contribution you think you'll be able to make with your tweet/email?

Whether it's this, Ukraine, politics, whatever - you're going to piss off 50% of the population. Doesn't matter if you're right or not. Why bother taking a stance when you stand to gain literally nothing?

Also, this.

Because we thought we had some freedom in the "freest country on the planet". lmfao J-Law's ass is more free than the United States.
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voldothegr8
10/11/23 8:37:07 PM
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MatzoTov posted...
I will never understand why people open their mouths at all on things like this. What exactly do you stand to gain? Is there some massively profound contribution you think you'll be able to make with your tweet/email?

Whether it's this, Ukraine, politics, whatever - you're going to piss off 50% of the population. Doesn't matter if you're right or not. Why bother taking a stance when you stand to gain literally nothing?
A hard life lesson for her.

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voldothegr8
10/11/23 8:38:34 PM
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DerWillZurMacht posted...
Because we thought we had some freedom in the "freest country on the planet".
She was free to post that just as the private firm ready to offer her a job was free to recant.

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Fenriswolf
10/11/23 8:41:17 PM
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MatzoTov posted...
I will never understand why people open their mouths at all on things like this. What exactly do you stand to gain? Is there some massively profound contribution you think you'll be able to make with your tweet/email?

Whether it's this, Ukraine, politics, whatever - you're going to piss off 50% of the population. Doesn't matter if you're right or not. Why bother taking a stance when you stand to gain literally nothing?


Meanwhile GOP lunatics like Lindsay Graham and Marco Rubio are calling for Israel to flatten Gaza but I guess that's somehow okay?

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TripleDouble
10/11/23 8:41:39 PM
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Why did the repeat " I condemn" so much, aren't they supposed to be good with words?

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StealThisSheen
10/11/23 8:41:41 PM
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DerWillZurMacht posted...
Because we thought we had some freedom in the "freest country on the planet". lmfao J-Law's ass is more free than the United States.

Aah, "Free speech should mean free from consequences! I should be free to say what I want, but nobody else should be free to react to me!" It never fails to pop up.

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__aCEr__
10/11/23 8:41:43 PM
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So why did she feel the need to send that out through an official channel?

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FlyEaglesFly24
10/11/23 8:43:48 PM
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Last time I checked, if you are the boss, you are free to decide who you want representing your company. If you arent comfortable with someones online profile, you dont have to associate with them if you dont want to.


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tremain07
10/11/23 8:45:02 PM
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It's begun those who aren't 100 on Israel's side will not be tolerated. Tara Strong recently showed her ass on this shit too there goes her career

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chrono625
10/11/23 8:49:16 PM
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This whole situation needs to be avoided entirely unless you can staunchly say you condemn both sides for their atrocities. If you are a yeah but person, just stfu.

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StealThisSheen
10/11/23 8:51:12 PM
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tremain07 posted...
It's begun those who aren't 100 on Israel's side will not be tolerated. Tara Strong recently showed her ass on this shit too there goes her career

Tara Strong pushed something very bigoted. Not sure that should be swept under the rug was "Those who aren't 100 on Israel's side."

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tremain07
10/11/23 8:53:20 PM
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After looking at what she said, yeah Fuck her what an asshole ish thing to say I retract my previous statement

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Ninjaluver
10/11/23 8:59:54 PM
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tremain07 posted...
After looking at what she said, yeah Fuck her what an asshole ish thing to say I retract my previous statement

Wait what did she say? I went to her twitter and it all seems to be anti-Hamas stuff condemning the attack...
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chrono625
10/11/23 9:02:55 PM
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Ninjaluver posted...
Wait what did she say? I went to her twitter and it all seems to be anti-Hamas stuff condemning the attack...

she said Israel is directly responsible for the attack.

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Fenriswolf
10/11/23 9:05:44 PM
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Again who's going to hold GOP politicians calling for Palestinian genocide to account?

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StealThisSheen
10/11/23 9:09:09 PM
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chrono625 posted...
she said Israel is directly responsible for the attack.

Not only that, she liked a post that, basically, said "All Islamic people are terrorists."

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ThePieReborn
10/11/23 9:13:12 PM
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Fuck y'all taking umbrage with the use of y'all.

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DerWillZurMacht
10/12/23 12:47:57 AM
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StealThisSheen posted...
Aah, "Free speech should mean free from consequences! I should be free to say what I want, but nobody else should be free to react to me!" It never fails to pop up.

And I used to love that people who showed their asses like that got told off. But at this point, it's impossible to always conform to the hivemind. Because the hivemind is always nebulous, ever-changing. It used to be common sense that those (Israel) that blow up hospitals, schools, and murder children are evil. Just like conservative ideology is evil. Very straightforward. But things change when you add in the fact that the perpetrators were descendants of victims of the worst ethnic cleansing in history, coupled with the fact that Islam is bad, and that the victims are scary and wicked brown people, and facts become hazy. The hivemind temporarily collapses in on itself before it re-forms. "This war crime is worse than that war crime and if you support this war crime instead of that war crime, you are evil!" At some point it becomes hard to keep track of everything, so you can forgive her and me for being confused.
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shnangyboos
10/12/23 12:50:49 AM
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DerWillZurMacht posted...
But at this point, it's impossible to always conform to the hivemind.


It always was.

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