Current Events > FCC plans to restore Net Neutrality.

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://www.engadget.com/the-fcc-plans-to-restore-obama-era-net-neutrality-rules-184624637.html

Finally.

Thanks BIDEN

What the hell changed without it. I remember people making a big stink about but I never noticed anything. Granted I don't use the internet as much as most people

Whatever happened to that really cringe dude Trump put in charge?

Doom_Art posted...

Whatever happened to that really cringe dude Trump put in charge?

As much a monster as anyone else from the republican party.

Ajit Varadaraj Pai (/dit pa/;[1] born January 10, 1973) is an American lawyer who served as chairman of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) from 2017 to 2021. He has been a partner at the private-equity firm Searchlight Capital since April 2021.[2]

Private equity shouldn't exist. It's almost as bad as landlording.

Except private equity can make you landlord to yourself and then somehow profit off it even more. (Seriously. There's an equity firm that bought out a New England restaurant chain, made them sell their property and lease it back to themselves. And that was just the beginning of the fuckery.)

Wow this is fucking huge, damn Biden I'm impressed how much better you've done than I expected.

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I could. But as said I never noticed a change so I didn't really care enough to put effort into it.

I use the internet a lot just for fun mostly and I remember that was supposed to be shutting down websites and the transfer of free information was supposed to be gone iirc?

I openly admit now I am not that computer savvy anymore but I still have that whole street smart aspect and still can be creative sometimes I guess :/

So wait did anything change? I think I remember some bill not passing.

Sufferedphoneix posted...

I could. But as said I never noticed a change so I didn't really care enough to put effort into it.

I could look up a lot of things like who got eliminated from Dancing with the Stars this past night, not like it really matters.

I try to quickly research or go with innate knowledge I have, but was this honestly ever a big thing? I just used your post suffered as a I agree point.

Kamil posted...

I use the internet a lot just for fun mostly and I remember that was supposed to be shutting down websites and the transfer of free information was supposed to be gone iirc?

I openly admit now I am not that computer savvy anymore but I still have that whole street smart aspect and still can be creative sometimes I guess :/

So wait did anything change? I think I remember some bill not passing.

You wouldn't notice it if you weren't paying attention. The whole issue was that it let ISPs dictate which information was more valuable than others, so they could do pay for play depending on who was paying for their services, & throttle & slow down who they wanted, when they wanted. Some data was more equal than others.

Under net neutrality, all information & uses were given equal use for traffic & broadcasting availability. Rich businesses couldn't just pay to stuff your availability to access sites or information just because you couldn't match what they paid for the best Internet.

To 12 thanks. That sounds more beneficial to the common users. I actually decided to run a quick search on it. So it was like paying for ad space or some crap that already happened anyways. I constantly ignore top hits because of that crap. This may not be the same exact same thing, but just a as an amusing aside

ttps://www.cnn.com 2023 09 26 tech fcc-net-neutrality-internet-providers index.html

1. FCC to propose rules for net neutrality that ban internet ... - CNN
2. TodayNet neutrality began as a bipartisan issue, with the George W. Bush administration issuing some of the earliest principles for an open internet that led to FCC attempts at concrete regulation in ...

The George W Bush administration was into this? Man all I thought they cared about was war! Also I highly doubt GWB was at the fore front of net neutrality himself, I just found that bit amusing.

Now if they could just stop scammers from making a billion calls a day

Doom_Art posted...

Whatever happened to that really cringe dude Trump put in charge?

When Trump left, he left. Elections have consequences.

WilliamPorygon posted...

Now if they could just stop scammers from making a billion calls a day

The FCC ordered telecoms to stop delivering those car warranty calls, which ended some of it. Hopefully they'll do that for a lot more.

Seriously, did NN dying actually do anything? ISPs didn't do any if the fear mongering things people were shouting about back in the day. If there were changes they went over my head and I'm a perpetually online shut in

CableZL posted...

The FCC ordered telecoms to stop delivering those car warranty calls, which ended some of it. Hopefully they'll do that for a lot more.

Unfortunately, it's harder to stop the calls originating overseas. Asshat operations probably subcontracted explicitly for that purpose.

CableZL posted...

The FCC ordered telecoms to stop delivering those car warranty calls, which ended some of it. Hopefully they'll do that for a lot more.

Holy shit is that why they suddenly stopped out of nowhere. Thank you FCC. Went from 3 calls every 2 days to like once a week now

https://publicknowledge.org/two-years-later-broadband-providers-are-still-taking-advantage-of-an-internet-without-net-neutrality-protections/

I mean, the worst one is of course that broadband providers slow certain video streaming services to shit. Very bad and not good stuff.

brestugo posted...

Unfortunately, it's harder to stop the calls originating overseas. Asshat operations probably subcontracted explicitly for that purpose.

Yeah. I used to work for a telecom and handled call delivery problems between service providers. I hated that shit.

The companies basically charge a fraction of a penny per call that travels through their networks. They'll route the call through one of multiple available paths, most often the one that gets them the best profit.

And then we'd get a trouble ticket because a call from phone number A to phone number B happened at a precise time and had choppy audio. We would have to look at the call and its data and either provide an explanation or open a ticket with a downstream provider if the problem was suspected to be with them.

This steered me even more to the network side of things. We had some very capable voice engineers, but I hated that part of the job.

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That's the FTC. FCC deals in communications.

hereforemnant posted...

You wouldn't notice it if you weren't paying attention. The whole issue was that it let ISPs dictate which information was more valuable than others, so they could do pay for play depending on who was paying for their services, & throttle & slow down who they wanted, when they wanted. Some data was more equal than others.

Under net neutrality, all information & uses were given equal use for traffic & broadcasting availability. Rich businesses couldn't just pay to stuff your availability to access sites or information just because you couldn't match what they paid for the best Internet.

My favorite analogy was that it would be like your speed limit while driving depended on the state your plate was issued in.

Sufferedphoneix posted...

What the hell changed without it. I remember people making a big stink about but I never noticed anything. Granted I don't use the internet as much as most people

I know of at least one site that Verizon has blocked access to without a VPN and while I don't use it, I have seen people complain about it on various boards (it's not porn related).

does this mean my video playback quality on youtube won't look like dogshit anymore

Sufferedphoneix posted...

What the hell changed without it. I remember people making a big stink about but I never noticed anything. Granted I don't use the internet as much as most people

Xfinity increased my monthly bill because I game online the second Net Neutrality ended

What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold, power, or was he just born with a heart full of neutrality?

Irony posted...

Xfinity increased my monthly bill because I game online the second Net Neutrality ended

Thanks for a helpful response and to the other guy too. As said I don't do internet much.

I use gamefaqs and Facebook 99% of the time. Ign is my third most used site but it's behind them 2 by a far margin. It's just usually what pops up when I ask for a walk through for a specific part of a game that I'm not using a guide foe the whole thing. Which is most games these days

Thankfully in NJ we have our own NN law. But this is welcomed nationwide!

I read the "Net Neutrality" in the title and was already like "wtf, not again such a bullshit", only to find out that it's the good direction for once.

Did something like that ever happen?

Sufferedphoneix posted...

What the hell changed without it. I remember people making a big stink about but I never noticed anything. Granted I don't use the internet as much as most people

Your ignorance hasn't changed, fail harder

Sufferedphoneix posted...

What the hell changed without it. I remember people making a big stink about but I never noticed anything. Granted I don't use the internet as much as most people

Kamil posted...

I use the internet a lot just for fun mostly and I remember that was supposed to be shutting down websites and the transfer of free information was supposed to be gone iirc?

I openly admit now I am not that computer savvy anymore but I still have that whole street smart aspect and still can be creative sometimes I guess :/

So wait did anything change? I think I remember some bill not passing.

I'm not an expert but think about it this way: if it was literally nothing, Republicans wouldn't have fought for it so hard and Dems wouldn't have undone it

Quezovercoatl posted...

I'm not an expert but think about it this way: if it was literally nothing, Republicans wouldn't have fought for it so hard and Dems wouldn't have undone it

Truer words have never been spoken.

We really need an article explaining what exactly changed when net neutrality was killed. No one seemed to notice anything.

chaos_knight posted...

We really need an article explaining what exactly changed when net neutrality was killed. No one seemed to notice anything.

The reason net neutrality laws went into effect in the first place is because multiple ISPs were throttling traffic to certain things. Most noticeably, multiple ISPs were throttling Netflix traffic. Netflix paid them to stop throttling traffic and then the average Netflix speeds over those ISPs increased dramatically. Netflix then passed the cost of those payments onto their customers by raising subscription fees. By now, Netflix has made that money back multiple times over, but weve never seen a decrease in subscription fees.

Without Net Neutrality laws in place, were just trusting that ISPs wont do that again. If they dont, great, but I wouldnt be shocked if some high bandwidth application comes along and some ISPs decide to throttle it. Especially ISPs who are the only choice in their given service area for high speed internet.

"nothing changed!"

Half the country sued to or just straight up implemented laws saying the same thing to keep it in effect, that's why.

CableZL posted...

The reason net neutrality laws went into effect in the first place is because multiple ISPs were throttling traffic to certain things. Most noticeably, multiple ISPs were throttling Netflix traffic. Netflix paid them to stop throttling traffic and then the average Netflix speeds over those ISPs increased dramatically. Netflix then passed the cost of those payments onto their customers by raising subscription fees. By now, Netflix has made that money back multiple times over, but weve never seen a decrease in subscription fees.

Without Net Neutrality laws in place, were just trusting that ISPs wont do that again. If they dont, great, but I wouldnt be shocked if some high bandwidth application comes along and some ISPs decide to throttle it. Especially ISPs who are the only choice in their given service area for high speed internet.

That was apparently hidden really well then, as all streaming services jacked up their prices.

chaos_knight posted...

That was apparently hidden really well then, as all streaming services jacked up their prices.

Netflix had a pseudo monopoly at the time so they could basically set whatever prices they wanted. What were you going to do about it? Use blockbuster?

chaos_knight posted...

That was apparently hidden really well then, as all streaming services jacked up their prices.

All those streaming services you're thinking of didn't exist back then.

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Because a few big states passed and threatened more legislation than ISPs wanted to deal with if they didn't hold the line. There were even plans/threats of large scale non-profit or public ISPs, something CA may do anyway someday.

Quezovercoatl posted...

I'm not an expert but think about it this way: if it was literally nothing, Republicans wouldn't have fought for it so hard and Dems wouldn't have undone it

I understand that I was just genuinely curious as I hadn't noticed anything.

I stated in my original post I don't use the internet as much as others

As plenty of people including myself said at the time, ISPs were never going to roll out the nightmare scenario on day one and maximize backlash. It was always going to be playing the long game and chipping away at it over time. The point is that if you give corporations a door to screw us over, it's a matter of when, not if, they take it. So let's continue keeping the doors shut and shutting new ones, yeah?

Wouldn't net neutrality mean the return of Kiwifarms to the clearnet?

My ISP throttles streaming sites like Netflix, Twitch and YouTube unless you buy their top tier. Like you could get 200mbps in a speed test but YouTube always struggles on 480p. It mysteriously doesn't happen if you have their top tier service.

Rexdragon125 posted...

Like you could get 200mbps in a speed test but YouTube always struggles on 480p.

I'm pretty sure every ISP games speedtests, like a Volkswagen connected to an emissions tester.

Questionmarktarius posted...

I'm pretty sure every ISP games speedtests, like a Volkswagen connected to an emissions tester.

So speed tests get prioritized, non neutral treatment?

Questionmarktarius posted...

I'm pretty sure every ISP games speedtests, like a Volkswagen connected to an emissions tester.

It depends on the test. Some are sneaky in ways that somewhat prevents prioritization.

Rexdragon125 posted...

So speed tests get prioritized, non neutral treatment?

Probably kicked all the way up to "realtime/urgent" priority.