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09/25/23 3:01:06 AM
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indica
09/25/23 5:17:44 AM
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It's not like there's a male equivalent, and I know men are engaging in this same behavior

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viewmaster_pi
09/25/23 5:18:43 AM
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people have suggested male versions, they just aren't as catchy and funny and memey, i guess

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TheMikh
09/25/23 5:22:05 AM
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we can all picture the male equivalent in our heads but i'm surprised don't have a name for him

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GuerrillaSoldier
09/25/23 5:22:56 AM
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does every term need an equivalent?


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Nukazie
09/25/23 5:23:07 AM
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is there a 'chad' term equivalent for females?

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Avirosb
09/25/23 5:23:10 AM
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viewmaster_pi posted...
people have suggested male versions, they just aren't as catchy and funny and memey, i guess
Not as funny as Fetch tho.

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boxoto
09/25/23 5:23:14 AM
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we just call male Karens "male Karens"

it doesn't have to be gender specific, but some people want that qualifier.

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Avirosb
09/25/23 5:23:27 AM
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Nukazie posted...
is there a 'chad' term equivalent for females?
Sharon.

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UnfairRepresent
09/25/23 5:23:47 AM
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I think there was a push to make "Jerry" the male version of Karen but it never took off among the normies

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TheMikh
09/25/23 5:24:28 AM
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Nukazie posted...
is there a 'chad' term equivalent for females?
stacey?

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Avirosb
09/25/23 5:26:24 AM
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Barbie.

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Razor
09/25/23 5:27:48 AM
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Nukazie posted...
is there a 'chad' term equivalent for females?

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Karovorak
09/25/23 5:44:10 AM
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That's just how it happens.

In the german language we had a similar thing starting from mid-2000s but with "Kevin".

The name "Kevin" suddenly became a synonym for the dump lower class douchebags. There was a female counterpart with "Chantal", but it never got as much traction than Kevin.

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Kloe_Rinz
09/25/23 5:48:22 AM
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its not misogynistic
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SuperSaiyanTien
09/25/23 5:54:46 AM
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Kloe_Rinz posted...
its not misogynistic

How isn't it?

It's a term created and used to solely shut down women and invalidate what they're upset about.


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Avirosb
09/25/23 5:57:11 AM
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SuperSaiyanTien posted...
How isn't it?

It's a term created and used to solely shut down women and invalidate what they're upset about.
What they're upset about is the manager.

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Avirosb
09/25/23 5:58:21 AM
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Karovorak posted...
That's just how it happens.

In the german language we had a similar thing starting from mid-2000s but with "Kevin".

The name "Kevin" suddenly became a synonym for the dump lower class douchebags. There was a female counterpart with "Chantal", but it never got as much traction than Kevin.
So that's why the leader of the robot uprising in Dredd was called Call-me-Kevin

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SuperSaiyanTien
09/25/23 5:59:39 AM
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Avirosb posted...
What they're upset about is the manager.

Not true.

I've seen "Karen" being used to describe women who are upset / angry about things extending beyond retail. And there have been multiple times that the woman in question wasn't being ridiculous, yet still being called a Karen.

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Avirosb
09/25/23 6:00:43 AM
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SuperSaiyanTien posted...
Not true.

I've seen "Karen" being used to describe women who are upset / angry about things extending beyond retail. And there have been multiple times that the woman in question wasn't being ridiculous, yet still being called a Karen.

I've seen "red-pill" being morphed into something else too but that's not what it started out as.

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SuperSaiyanTien
09/25/23 6:01:02 AM
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nocturnal_traveler posted...
What's valid about it?

Are you saying a woman's feelings aren't valid?

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nocturnal_traveler
09/25/23 6:02:18 AM
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SuperSaiyanTien posted...
How isn't it?

It's a term created and used to solely shut down women and invalidate what they're upset about.
What's valid about what Karen's are mad about?

SuperSaiyanTien posted...
Not true.

I've seen "Karen" being used to describe women who are upset / angry about things extending beyond retail. And there have been multiple times that the woman in question wasn't being ridiculous, yet still being called a Karen.
Yeah I'm gonna call bullshit on this. Even if it does happen, it's not enough to warrant not calling Karen's a Karen.

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VeesMcGees
09/25/23 6:02:32 AM
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I think there was brief push for some masculine name to be used as the equivalent, but it never took off. Since Karen is behavior is ridiculed, it's really not worth making a male name to represent the same behaviors, like Gary Stu never really stuck and we see Mary Sue applied to characters of any gender.
One could argue that names as criticisms and insults emerge with women first could be misogynistic, unless Karen had been used by women first. If for instance, Karen emerged first from bipoc women, it wouldn't be misogynistic.
There is a male cultural equivalent, but it doesn't have a name. If Karen behavior is viewed as feminine behavior or energy, the meme of guy whose profile is him wearing sunglasses in his truck and complains basic human democracy or decency would be the masculine equivalent. Something could be said about using a name for the feminine ridicule versus the description for the masculine equivalent, but I just got up and don't have the energy to process that right now.
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SuperSaiyanTien
09/25/23 6:07:34 AM
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nocturnal_traveler posted...
What's valid about what Karen's are mad about?

Are you suggesting that there's not a time when a woman's feelings would be invalidated?

nocturnal_traveler posted...
Yeah I'm gonna call bulls*** on this. Even if it does happen, it's not enough to warrant not calling Karen's a Karen.

Call BS all you want. I've seen it. And there are articles about it. Google is your friend.

The fact is, Karen as a term is pure misogyny because guys who are entitled are just jerks. There's not a special name used to invalidate them based on their gender.

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tankboy
09/25/23 6:09:08 AM
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Avirosb posted...
So that's why the leader of the robot uprising in Dredd was called Call-me-Kevin

You mean Call-me-Kenneth?
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Avirosb
09/25/23 6:09:37 AM
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tankboy posted...
You mean Call-me-Kenneth?
Aw, shit. Nevermind then

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DarthWendy
09/25/23 6:10:01 AM
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How about Carl ? Carl seems fitting for obnoxious annoying clap-trapish toxic guys.
Lets cement Carl

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EDF-5
09/25/23 6:10:45 AM
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It is abusable
any woman does something you don't like - she is a karen
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Avirosb
09/25/23 6:11:54 AM
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SuperSaiyanTien posted...
Are you suggesting that there's not a time when a woman's feelings would be invalidated?

Call BS all you want. I've seen it. And there are articles about it. Google is your friend.

My man there are articles claiming the world is flat. Do the research.

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nocturnal_traveler
09/25/23 6:14:26 AM
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SuperSaiyanTien posted...
Are you suggesting that there's not a time when a woman's feelings would be invalidated?
Not when she's being a Karen.



Call BS all you want. I've seen it. And there are articles about it. Google is your friend.
I don't doubt it's happened. Just not enough to warrant a change.



The fact is, Karen as a term is pure misogyny because guys who are entitled are just jerks. There's not a special name used to invalidate them based on their gender.
I don't see anyone but right wingers complaining, and we know how valuable their opinions are. And male Karen's are still called Karen's. Jerks are just assholes. Karen's of both genders yell and complain in the customer service environment.

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viewmaster_pi
09/25/23 6:16:10 AM
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DarthWendy posted...
How about Carl ? Carl seems fitting for obnoxious annoying clap-trapish toxic guys.
Lets cement Carl
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Choco
09/25/23 6:58:45 AM
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i hate how people feel the need to turn innocent people's names into an insult

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Naysaspace
09/25/23 6:59:19 AM
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no it isnt
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Sufferedphoneix
09/25/23 6:59:55 AM
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TheMikh posted...
stacey?

Yeah that's the one I heard was racking my brain trying to remember it

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Avirosb
09/25/23 7:01:08 AM
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Choco posted...
i hate how people feel the need to turn innocent people's names into an insult
Odd is a name in my country.

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mustachedmystic
09/25/23 7:01:39 AM
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Avirosb posted...
What they're upset about is the manager.
No, they are upset about the world not revolving around them. They are upset about a black man birdwatching in their park.

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ZMythos
09/25/23 7:03:48 AM
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Avirosb posted...
I've seen "red-pill" being morphed into something else too but that's not what it started out as.
It doesn't matter how a word started out, what matters is its current usage and agreed upon meaning(s).


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Avirosb
09/25/23 7:04:56 AM
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ZMythos posted...
It doesn't matter how a word started out, what matters is its current usage and agreed upon meaning(s).
Most seem to agree.
It's those who don't who strive to change the meaning.

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Tig
09/25/23 7:11:00 AM
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Kloe_Rinz posted...
its not misogynistic


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Kloe_Rinz
09/25/23 7:11:30 AM
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SuperSaiyanTien posted...
It's a term created and used to solely shut down women and invalidate what they're upset about.
the reason they are upset isnt valid

thats the point
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VIIVincent
09/25/23 7:14:00 AM
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Karens: minding your business is my business. Cops are on speed dial.

I thought eerryone agreed on this but here we are.

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Prismsblade
09/25/23 7:18:10 AM
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SuperSaiyanTien posted...
How isn't it?

It's a term created and used to solely shut down women and invalidate what they're upset about.
Guys have more then a dozen of these used against them on a regular basis. Many of which can be used to invalidate what you're upset about on this very subject.

So either it's acceptable to have gender specific terms or it's not.

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Avirosb
09/25/23 7:19:14 AM
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Gender specific words shouldn't really factor into anything since you're not supposed to assume people's gender anyways.

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ViewtifulGrave
09/25/23 7:29:07 AM
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SuperSaiyanTien posted...
How isn't it?

It's a term created and used to solely shut down women and invalidate what they're upset about.
https://youtu.be/BnYX5PAkoGQ?si=lnAT2N6T9lyWbrKD

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Kaldrenthebold
09/25/23 7:53:21 AM
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Okay Kyle

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VeggetaX
09/25/23 8:03:28 AM
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This is stupid. We call men "bitches" all the time and it's supposed to be a term for women. Is that a misogynistic term too?

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Avirosb
09/25/23 8:04:27 AM
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VeggetaX posted...
This is stupid. We call men "bitches" all the time and it's supposed to be a term for women. Is that a misogynistic term too?
Some would say yes, however being an alpha she-wolf is more a behavior than inherent quality in of itself.

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SimulationSwarm
09/25/23 8:21:18 AM
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VeggetaX posted...
This is stupid. We call men "bitches" all the time and it's supposed to be a term for women. Is that a misogynistic term too?
yes

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VeggetaX
09/25/23 8:22:40 AM
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Alright guys, you've convinced me. Stop using Karen and Bitches for men and women because it's a misogynistic term.

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