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pinky0926 09/21/23 10:48:20 AM #1:	Gonna have to write off my Volkswagen Passat, sadly. Did the engine break? No. Did the exhaust or fuel system fall apart? No. Is there excessive rusting? No. Is there any actual mechanical issue at all that would prevent the car from being drive safely and comfortably? No. But you see, the ECU is saying that the motor for the left parking brake doesn't work (because cars need electric parking brakes, right?), and to repair that is gonna cost more than is reasonable to spend. Fucking nonsense. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:976214152] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>Gonna have to write off my Volkswagen Passat, sadly. Did the engine break? No.Did the exhaust or fuel system fall apart? No. Is there excessive rusting? No. Is there any actual mechanical issue at all that would prevent the car from being drive safely and comfortably? No. But you see, the ECU is saying that the motor for the left parking brake doesn't work (because cars need electric parking brakes, right?), and to repair that is gonna cost more than is reasonable to spend. Fucking nonsense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DementedDurian 09/21/23 10:50:27 AM #2:	We need car surgeons. Not mechanics. Car. Surgeons. --- (She/Her) I'm a succubus. Don't worry, I'm not going to hurt you. <3 Video Game IGN: Mystic. Ask me for a joke, I come up with some good ones. <cite>DementedDurian posted [p:976214198] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>We need car surgeons. Not mechanics. Car. Surgeons. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
littlebro07 09/21/23 10:51:58 AM #3:	pinky0926 posted... Volkswagen found the problem --- https://i.imgtc.com/MGGa6Os.gif <cite>littlebro07 posted [p:976214226] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite><quote>Volkswagen</quote>found the problem </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacadamianNut3 09/21/23 10:53:01 AM #4:	It took 3 people, including me and a roadside assistance person, to figure out how to change my car's battery (some shit about the positive terminal being under the hood and the negative terminal in the trunk, fucking how). Still didn't figure it out until it was towed to the dealership. So yeah I won't be doing much tinkering around with that car Edit: To littlebro, it's literally just a Camaro. I have no idea why it was designed that way, maybe it was just for my year (2012) --- Roll Tide & Go Irish <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted [p:976214247] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>It took 3 people, including me and a roadside assistance person, to figure out how to change my car's battery (some shit about the positive terminal being under the hood and the negative terminal in the trunk, fucking how). Still didn't figure it out until it was towed to the dealership.So yeah I won't be doing much tinkering around with that carEdit: To littlebro, it's literally just a Camaro. I have no idea why it was designed that way, maybe it was just for my year (2012) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R1masher 09/21/23 10:53:40 AM #5:	Last of the v8 interceptors --- R1R1R1R1R1R1 <cite>R1masher posted [p:976214264] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>Last of the v8 interceptors </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
littlebro07 09/21/23 10:53:43 AM #6:	MacadamianNut3 posted... It took 3 people, including me and a roadside assistance person, to figure out how to change my car's battery (some shit about the positive terminal being under the hood and the negative terminal in the trunk, fucking how). Still didn't figure it out until it was towed to the dealership. So yeah I won't be doing much tinkering around with that car wtf kind of car do you have --- https://i.imgtc.com/MGGa6Os.gif <cite>littlebro07 posted [p:976214266] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>MacadamianNut3 posted... </cite><quote>It took 3 people, including me and a roadside assistance person, to figure out how to change my car's battery (some shit about the positive terminal being under the hood and the negative terminal in the trunk, fucking how). Still didn't figure it out until it was towed to the dealership.So yeah I won't be doing much tinkering around with that car</quote>wtf kind of car do you have </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Waxitron_Gazer 09/21/23 10:54:05 AM #7:	over engineering for 2 ton death machines does not sound like a problem --- five, five, five, jack -five nobs <cite>Waxitron_Gazer posted [p:976214276] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>over engineering for 2 ton death machines does not sound like a problem </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaltyWet 09/21/23 10:54:18 AM #8:	A (relatively) simple Toyota/Honda is the way to go --- FlowerBridge <cite>SaltyWet posted [p:976214285] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>A (relatively) simple Toyota/Honda is the way to go </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GunmaN1905 09/21/23 10:54:46 AM #9:	Agreed. Not to mention other stuff like having to pay a fucking subscription for extra features in a car you already own. One of my pet peeves is how using a phone is righfully banned while driving, but somehow looking at a screen in the middle of the console is fine. Also, funny that you mentioned Passat. A car that's been known as the go-to family vehicle for decades. Instead, they went with this sporty look for some reason and there's literally more head space in new Golf than 2021 Passat in the back seat, due to aggressive downward sporty line. <cite>GunmaN1905 posted [p:976214299] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>Agreed.Not to mention other stuff like having to pay a fucking subscription for extra features in a car you already own.One of my pet peeves is how using a phone is righfully banned while driving, but somehow looking at a screen in the middle of the console is fine. Also, funny that you mentioned Passat. A car that's been known as the go-to family vehicle for decades. Instead, they went with this sporty look for some reason and there's literally more head space in new Golf than 2021 Passat in the back seat, due to aggressive downward sporty line.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 09/21/23 11:06:17 AM #10:	Agreed. It's ridiculous. I may just get an older (~ 5-10 yrs) German marque next time vs. something new. --- Putin delenda est <cite>brestugo posted [p:976214543] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>Agreed. It's ridiculous. I may just get an older (~ 5-10 yrs) German marque next time vs. something new. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 09/21/23 11:11:25 AM #11:	I prefer having gadgets in my car to spending weekends tinkering with it like a dad from the 1950s. --- You'll see motivational pictures about working hundred hour weeks/Well, it only applies to those who are operating at a really basic level <cite>ai123 posted [p:976214643] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>I prefer having gadgets in my car to spending weekends tinkering with it like a dad from the 1950s. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pinky0926 09/21/23 11:13:16 AM #13:	Waxitron_Gazer posted... over engineering for 2 ton death machines does not sound like a problem We aren't talking about safety features (those are good, though) Your car shouldn't be written off because the electric handbrake motor won't unseize on one side because the computer is confused. You know what the solution is to this problem? Mechanical hand brakes. A solution that worked wonderfully for every car until about the late 90s when they started phasing them out for electric gadgets that require motors and a computer. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:976214686] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>Waxitron_Gazer posted... </cite><quote>over engineering for 2 ton death machines does not sound like a problem</quote>We aren't talking about safety features (those are good, though)Your car shouldn't be written off because the electric handbrake motor won't unseize on one side because the computer is confused.You know what the solution is to this problem? Mechanical hand brakes. A solution that worked wonderfully for every car until about the late 90s when they started phasing them out for electric gadgets that require motors and a computer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rexdragon125 09/21/23 11:19:32 AM #14:	https://twitter.com/peter_m_v/status/1579313211547201537 <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:976214829] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/peter_m_v/status/1579313211547201537</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
littlebro07 09/21/23 11:21:29 AM #15:	Rexdragon125 posted... https://twitter.com/peter_m_v/status/1579313211547201537 jesus christ why What's the oldest car I can buy that is safe by modern standards but doesn't have a bunch of dumb bullshit like that yet Cause I'm buying one and keeping it forever --- https://i.imgtc.com/MGGa6Os.gif <cite>littlebro07 posted [p:976214873] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>Rexdragon125 posted... </cite><quote>https://twitter.com/peter_m_v/status/1579313211547201537</quote>jesus christ whyWhat's the oldest car I can buy that is safe by modern standards but doesn't have a bunch of dumb bullshit like that yetCause I'm buying one and keeping it forever </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GunmaN1905 09/21/23 11:22:22 AM #16:	littlebro07 posted... jesus christ why What's the oldest car I can buy that is safe by modern standards but doesn't have a bunch of dumb bullshit like that yet Cause I'm buying one and keeping it forever I'd say get a late 00s Volvo or something. <cite>GunmaN1905 posted [p:976214897] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>littlebro07 posted... </cite><quote>jesus christ whyWhat's the oldest car I can buy that is safe by modern standards but doesn't have a bunch of dumb bullshit like that yetCause I'm buying one and keeping it forever</quote>I'd say get a late 00s Volvo or something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CARRRNE_ASADA 09/21/23 11:23:19 AM #17:	Car makers are making it look like a status thing. Like using your hands is what poor people do. I hate it as well. Just more ways to get broken and pay up. --- SEXY SEXY! <cite>CARRRNE_ASADA posted [p:976214914] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>Car makers are making it look like a status thing. Like using your hands is what poor people do.I hate it as well. Just more ways to get broken and pay up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGoldenEel 09/21/23 11:26:08 AM #18:	pinky0926 posted... We aren't talking about safety features (those are good, though) Your car shouldn't be written off because the electric handbrake motor won't unseize on one side because the computer is confused. You know what the solution is to this problem? Mechanical hand brakes. A solution that worked wonderfully for every car until about the late 90s when they started phasing them out for electric gadgets that require motors and a computer. You said the motor doesnt work for the brake, not that its a computer problem also the parking brake is literally a safety feature lol --- BLACK LIVES MATTER Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:976214980] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite><quote>We aren't talking about safety features (those are good, though)Your car shouldn't be written off because the electric handbrake motor won't unseize on one side because the computer is confused.You know what the solution is to this problem? Mechanical hand brakes. A solution that worked wonderfully for every car until about the late 90s when they started phasing them out for electric gadgets that require motors and a computer.</quote>You said the motor doesnt work for the brake, not that its a computer problemalso the parking brake is literally a safety feature lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 09/21/23 11:36:02 AM #19:	TheGoldenEel posted... You said the motor doesnt work for the brake, not that its a computer problem also the parking brake is literally a safety feature lol It's a brand new parking brake motor. It won't work because the ECU is playing up. So many of these computer systems will shut down basic functionality because the computer is required to make the mechanisms work The right side still works fine, so the parking brake will apply, albeit lopsidedly It's an automatic. You don't need a parking brake. An electric parking brake requiring two seperate motors attached to a computer is the quintessential definition of over engineering when the original solution to this problem was a mechanical handbrake that was an awful lot less easy to fuck up. If I could replace the electric parking brake with a handbrake I would in a second. It would perform the same function (essentially nothing) and it would be easier and cheaper to maintain. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:976215262] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>TheGoldenEel posted... </cite><quote>You said the motor doesnt work for the brake, not that its a computer problemalso the parking brake is literally a safety feature lol</quote>It's a brand new parking brake motor. It won't work because the ECU is playing up. So many of these computer systems will shut down basic functionality because the computer is required to make the mechanisms workThe right side still works fine, so the parking brake will apply, albeit lopsidedlyIt's an automatic. You don't need a parking brake.An electric parking brake requiring two seperate motors attached to a computer is the quintessential definition of over engineering when the original solution to this problem was a mechanical handbrake that was an awful lot less easy to fuck up.If I could replace the electric parking brake with a handbrake I would in a second. It would perform the same function (essentially nothing) and it would be easier and cheaper to maintain. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 09/21/23 11:40:36 AM #20:	Rexdragon125 posted... https://twitter.com/peter_m_v/status/1579313211547201537 Automakers talk about "intuitive features" for cars and....that's not very intuitive. --- Putin delenda est <cite>brestugo posted [p:976215373] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>Rexdragon125 posted... </cite><quote>https://twitter.com/peter_m_v/status/1579313211547201537</quote>Automakers talk about "intuitive features" for cars and....that's not very intuitive. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TonyKojima 09/21/23 11:41:14 AM #21:	Half the crap in the car is for emissions. --- Though the XBOX 360 is good in theory, it's hardware limitations say otherwise - Hideo Kojima <cite>TonyKojima posted [p:976215388] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>Half the crap in the car is for emissions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R_Jackal 09/21/23 11:42:19 AM #22:	Waxitron_Gazer posted... over engineering for 2 ton death machines does not sound like a problem Touch screens are so fucking inefficient for damn near everything they're used for while driving, I have seen cars that were completely fine just flat ass stop working because the computer read shit wrong or a minor system failed too, so... yeah, it's bad. There's a point where too much is just too fucking much and to me shits been there for a while. <cite>R_Jackal posted [p:976215417] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>Waxitron_Gazer posted... </cite><quote>over engineering for 2 ton death machines does not sound like a problem</quote>Touch screens are so fucking inefficient for damn near everything they're used for while driving, I have seen cars that were completely fine just flat ass stop working because the computer read shit wrong or a minor system failed too, so... yeah, it's bad.There's a point where too much is just too fucking much and to me shits been there for a while. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 09/21/23 11:55:31 AM #23:	When TC said "ECU" (sometimes called ECM) in post 1, that's all I needed to hear. --- Putin delenda est <cite>brestugo posted [p:976215725] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>When TC said "ECU" (sometimes called ECM) in post 1, that's all I needed to hear. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 09/21/23 11:56:15 AM #24:	One thing I dislike is the increased role of software in vehicles and the rise of "software as a service" (i.e. renting features that would've otherwise been permanently included with the purchase of your vehicle) coinciding with the increase of prevalence of electric vehicles. So that stink of scummy practices and stupid touch screen interfaces get associated with electric vehicles, damaging the impression people get of them. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://i.imgur.com/ZkQRDsR.png - https://i.imgur.com/2x2gtgP.jpg <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:976215742] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>One thing I dislike is the increased role of software in vehicles and the rise of "software as a service" (i.e. renting features that would've otherwise been permanently included with the purchase of your vehicle) coinciding with the increase of prevalence of electric vehicles. So that stink of scummy practices and stupid touch screen interfaces get associated with electric vehicles, damaging the impression people get of them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hereforemnant 09/21/23 12:08:12 PM #25:	littlebro07 posted... jesus christ why What's the oldest car I can buy that is safe by modern standards but doesn't have a bunch of dumb bullshit like that yet Cause I'm buying one and keeping it forever Get a fucking Honda before 2020 lol, best advice. Anything that has a TV screen on the center console you won't like --- 3DS Friend Code: FC: 0318-7199-1150 <cite>hereforemnant posted [p:976216027] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>littlebro07 posted... </cite><quote>jesus christ whyWhat's the oldest car I can buy that is safe by modern standards but doesn't have a bunch of dumb bullshit like that yetCause I'm buying one and keeping it forever</quote>Get a fucking Honda before 2020 lol, best advice. Anything that has a TV screen on the center console you won't like </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jefffan 09/21/23 12:11:47 PM #26:	I also just had to fix my Camaro. Fucking engine oil cooler leaked oil all through my garage and driveway. Had enough in there to make it to dealer though. --- Ernest Morgan: November 15, 1956-September 28, 2010: Best dad in the world. <cite>jefffan posted [p:976216095] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>I also just had to fix my Camaro.Fucking engine oil cooler leaked oil all through my garage and driveway.Had enough in there to make it to dealer though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Starks 09/21/23 12:12:00 PM #27:	Don't warranties cover this shit? --- Paid for by StarksPAC, a registered 501(c)(4) <cite>Starks posted [p:976216098] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>Don't warranties cover this shit? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
demel 09/21/23 12:18:06 PM #28:	Starks posted... Don't warranties cover this shit? Was wondering this as well. What year and miles/km? --- Bite size...if your mouth is HUGE! <cite>demel posted [p:976216208] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>Starks posted... </cite><quote>Don't warranties cover this shit?</quote>Was wondering this as well. What year and miles/km? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeCh0nk 09/21/23 12:20:51 PM #29:	It's horrendous. Things are built to fail nowadays, and having it be all electronic just makes it next to impossible to fix. --- @('_')@ <cite>LeCh0nk posted [p:976216261] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>It's horrendous. Things are built to fail nowadays, and having it be all electronic just makes it next to impossible to fix. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jefffan 09/21/23 12:21:37 PM #30:	77k miles on my SS. Well past stock warranty period. --- Ernest Morgan: November 15, 1956-September 28, 2010: Best dad in the world. <cite>jefffan posted [p:976216283] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>77k miles on my SS. Well past stock warranty period. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
archizzy 09/21/23 12:32:11 PM #31:	I really dont look forward to the next time I buy a new vehicle which will probably be like 10 years. My truck is from 2014 but it has the perfect setup to me. It has modern conveniences like powered windows and power seats which I like. It does have a good size digital screen above the center console that is mostly for the radio control (though I mostly use the hands free physical buttons on the steering wheel) and also serves as the backup camera when in reverse. But everything else is still what Id call normal. It still has a physical center console for controlling the fan, defrost, AC/Heat and all that. Physical buttons. It hasnt gone overboard yet. I look at some of the newer trucks and that physical center console is gone, its all through a touch screen. I really dont want that. I guess if it comes down to it Ill just shell out the money for a classic restored vehicle that is basically brand new, but from the 70s. Id rather have that than the new vehicles with all the electronics. --- PSN ID: sled_dogs76 60" Pioneer Kuro Elite PRO151FD, Yamaha RX-V3900 A/V Receiver, Oppo DV983-H player. Coming soon: 2 Seaton Submersives from Mark Seaton <cite>archizzy posted [p:976216517] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>I really dont look forward to the next time I buy a new vehicle which will probably be like 10 years. My truck is from 2014 but it has the perfect setup to me. It has modern conveniences like powered windows and power seats which I like. It does have a good size digital screen above the center console that is mostly for the radio control (though I mostly use the hands free physical buttons on the steering wheel) and also serves as the backup camera when in reverse.But everything else is still what Id call normal. It still has a physical center console for controlling the fan, defrost, AC/Heat and all that. Physical buttons.It hasnt gone overboard yet. I look at some of the newer trucks and that physical center console is gone, its all through a touch screen. I really dont want that. I guess if it comes down to it Ill just shell out the money for a classic restored vehicle that is basically brand new, but from the 70s. Id rather have that than the new vehicles with all the electronics. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGoldenEel 09/21/23 12:33:21 PM #32:	pinky0926 posted... 1. It's a brand new parking brake motor. It won't work because the ECU is playing up. So many of these computer systems will shut down basic functionality because the computer is required to make the mechanisms work 2. The right side still works fine, so the parking brake will apply, albeit lopsidedly 3. It's an automatic. You don't need a parking brake. 4. An electric parking brake requiring two seperate motors attached to a computer is the quintessential definition of over engineering when the original solution to this problem was a mechanical handbrake that was an awful lot less easy to fuck up. If I could replace the electric parking brake with a handbrake I would in a second. It would perform the same function (essentially nothing) and it would be easier and cheaper to maintain. The thing with a motorized lock/brake is when they fail, they fail in the position theyre in. A mechanical brake that fails could change positions. Thats the safety feature theyre designing the functionality around. They can also do automatic things like being automatically disengaged if the driver forgets to turn it off. Thats a safety feature too! i dont know how much your car is worth or the price of the control board for it but the internet says $1000-2000 for a typical car ECB also I think by calling it a computer youre making it sound more complicated than it is. So much of what we use has been controlled by computers for decades when its functionally just a control board that is specialized to perform a few functions --- BLACK LIVES MATTER Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:976216541] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite><quote>1. It's a brand new parking brake motor. It won't work because the ECU is playing up. So many of these computer systems will shut down basic functionality because the computer is required to make the mechanisms work2. The right side still works fine, so the parking brake will apply, albeit lopsidedly3. It's an automatic. You don't need a parking brake.4. An electric parking brake requiring two seperate motors attached to a computer is the quintessential definition of over engineering when the original solution to this problem was a mechanical handbrake that was an awful lot less easy to fuck up.If I could replace the electric parking brake with a handbrake I would in a second. It would perform the same function (essentially nothing) and it would be easier and cheaper to maintain.</quote>The thing with a motorized lock/brake is when they fail, they fail in the position theyre in. A mechanical brake that fails could change positions. Thats the safety feature theyre designing the functionality around. They can also do automatic things like being automatically disengaged if the driver forgets to turn it off. Thats a safety feature too!i dont know how much your car is worth or the price of the control board for it but the internet says $1000-2000 for a typical car ECBalso I think by calling it a computer youre making it sound more complicated than it is. So much of what we use has been controlled by computers for decades when its functionally just a control board that is specialized to perform a few functions </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FolkenRawr 09/21/23 12:34:55 PM #33:	My immediate reaction was how every car commercial I've seen recently is promoting USB ports and Bluetooth support as an exciting feature --- Cookin like a chef, I'm a 5 Star Michelin <cite>FolkenRawr posted [p:976216582] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>My immediate reaction was how every car commercial I've seen recently is promoting USB ports and Bluetooth support as an exciting feature </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SayHeyyShohei 09/21/23 12:35:58 PM #34:	More proof engineering students are literal brainlets --- Welcome to the Twilight Zone <cite>SayHeyyShohei posted [p:976216602] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>More proof engineering students are literal brainlets </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jefffan 09/21/23 12:36:51 PM #35:	FolkenRawr posted... My immediate reaction was how every car commercial I've seen recently is promoting USB ports and Bluetooth support as an exciting feature Mostly Toyota and Honda. Most of their owners are probably still using CDs --- Ernest Morgan: November 15, 1956-September 28, 2010: Best dad in the world. <cite>jefffan posted [p:976216630] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>FolkenRawr posted... </cite><quote>My immediate reaction was how every car commercial I've seen recently is promoting USB ports and Bluetooth support as an exciting feature </quote>Mostly Toyota and Honda. Most of their owners are probably still using CDs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 09/21/23 12:37:10 PM #36:	littlebro07 posted... jesus christ why What's the oldest car I can buy that is safe by modern standards but doesn't have a bunch of dumb bullshit like that yet Cause I'm buying one and keeping it forever That you can work on yourself? Probably like an HHR. Or anything mid-to-late 00s --- The name is wackyteen for a reason. Never doubt. <cite>wackyteen posted [p:976216637] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>littlebro07 posted... </cite><quote>jesus christ whyWhat's the oldest car I can buy that is safe by modern standards but doesn't have a bunch of dumb bullshit like that yetCause I'm buying one and keeping it forever</quote>That you can work on yourself? Probably like an HHR. Or anything mid-to-late 00s </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FolkenRawr 09/21/23 12:37:41 PM #37:	jefffan posted... Mostly Toyota and Honda. Most of their owners are probably still using CDs Lmao fair. I don't pay attention to commercials since I'm so seldom on a service that has them. It's just hilarious everytime --- Cookin like a chef, I'm a 5 Star Michelin <cite>FolkenRawr posted [p:976216651] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>jefffan posted... </cite><quote>Mostly Toyota and Honda. Most of their owners are probably still using CDs</quote>Lmao fair. I don't pay attention to commercials since I'm so seldom on a service that has them. It's just hilarious everytime </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 09/21/23 12:50:58 PM #38:	Rexdragon125 posted... https://twitter.com/peter_m_v/status/1579313211547201537 Reminds me of those high end super cars with no door handles or handles in not so obvious spots for essentially no reason. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:976216929] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>Rexdragon125 posted... </cite><quote>https://twitter.com/peter_m_v/status/1579313211547201537</quote>Reminds me of those high end super cars with no door handles or handles in not so obvious spots for essentially no reason. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 09/21/23 6:45:21 PM #39:	Prismsblade posted... Reminds me of those high end super cars with no door handles or handles in not so obvious spots for essentially no reason. I wouldn't call it a "supercar" but one time I was given an Infinity G35 coupe to use for about a week (loaner). I don't recall it having any handles. Steep learning curve figuring out how to open the door the same way twice, and to open the gas cover. Depending on the key fob setting, it could keylessly unlock when I was close enough. IIRC, it could also unlock and start keylessly if I was close enough. Never got the gist of what set off what though. I think you could just start it remotely but keep it locked too. Sometimes, I could even use the key to get in the car and start it. Then depending on what was going on with the key fob, it could start when I sat down and clicked the seatbelt, or I sometimes I needed to use the key to start the car. The cover for the gas cap was such an ordeal to get open that there was a group of about 5 people rubbernecking at the gas station when I got finally it open. Nice looking car, but I was happy to give it back. --- Putin delenda est <cite>brestugo posted [p:976224436] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>Prismsblade posted... </cite><quote>Reminds me of those high end super cars with no door handles or handles in not so obvious spots for essentially no reason.</quote>I wouldn't call it a "supercar" but one time I was given an Infinity G35 coupe to use for about a week (loaner). I don't recall it having any handles.Steep learning curve figuring out how to open the door the same way twice, and to open the gas cover. Depending on the key fob setting, it could keylessly unlock when I was close enough. IIRC, it could also unlock and start keylessly if I was close enough. Never got the gist of what set off what though. I think you could just start it remotely but keep it locked too.Sometimes, I could even use the key to get in the car and start it.Then depending on what was going on with the key fob, it could start when I sat down and clicked the seatbelt, or I sometimes I needed to use the key to start the car.The cover for the gas cap was such an ordeal to get open that there was a group of about 5 people rubbernecking at the gas station when I got finally it open. Nice looking car, but I was happy to give it back. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 09/21/23 6:57:22 PM #40:	LeCh0nk posted... Things are built to fail nowadays --- THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK Do not write in this space. <cite>HylianFox posted [p:976224652] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>LeCh0nk posted... </cite><quote>Things are built to fail nowadays</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R_Jackal 09/21/23 7:33:44 PM #41:	Things have always been built to fail, to keep profits going. Now instead of faking it, these companies basically smash a plate of crap in our face and ask as to pay for a napkin to wipe it off, and keep paying monthly for them to not do it again. <cite>R_Jackal posted [p:976225331] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>Things have always been built to fail, to keep profits going. Now instead of faking it, these companies basically smash a plate of crap in our face and ask as to pay for a napkin to wipe it off, and keep paying monthly for them to not do it again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 09/21/23 9:15:13 PM #42:	It is also, in part, to make vehicles too complicated for non-dealer certified mechanics/technicians to be able to fix cars so you'll have to go to a dealer and pay the manufacturer or dealer again --- The name is wackyteen for a reason. Never doubt. <cite>wackyteen posted [p:976227204] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>It is also, in part, to make vehicles too complicated for non-dealer certified mechanics/technicians to be able to fix cars so you'll have to go to a dealer and pay the manufacturer or dealer again </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TentacleDemon 09/21/23 9:23:25 PM #43:	MacadamianNut3 posted... Edit: To littlebro, it's literally just a Camaro. I have no idea why it was designed that way, maybe it was just for my year (2012) 2013 Camaro. I like having the battery in the trunk. It stays clean and doesn't have any corrosion around terminals. They also last longer not sitting inside that hot engine compartment. They run cables to terminals in the engine compartment so you can jump start the car without having to get to the battery under the spare in the trunk. That would be a real hassle. --- "Together there are more of US!!" <cite>TentacleDemon posted [p:976227337] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>MacadamianNut3 posted... </cite><quote>Edit: To littlebro, it's literally just a Camaro. I have no idea why it was designed that way, maybe it was just for my year (2012)</quote>2013 Camaro. I like having the battery in the trunk. It stays clean and doesn't have any corrosion around terminals. They also last longer not sitting inside that hot engine compartment. They run cables to terminals in the engine compartment so you can jump start the car without having to get to the battery under the spare in the trunk. That would be a real hassle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlephZero 09/21/23 9:29:55 PM #44:	you know what volkswagen stands for right it stands for "fix it again tony" --- "life is overrated" - Seiichi Omori 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:976227453] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>you know what volkswagen stands for rightit stands for "fix it again tony" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 09/21/23 9:44:40 PM #45:	brestugo posted... Automakers talk about "intuitive features" for cars and....that's not very intuitive. Luxury brand cars like that Caddy don't care about features being "intuitive," just whatever makes fools parting with their money go "ooo..." and "ahhh..." --- Politicians are the weeds of the galaxy. <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:976227724] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>brestugo posted... </cite><quote>Automakers talk about "intuitive features" for cars and....that's not very intuitive.</quote>Luxury brand cars like that Caddy don't care about features being "intuitive," just whatever makes fools parting with their money go "ooo..." and "ahhh..." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 09/21/23 9:47:01 PM #46:	Nah German cars are just shit <cite>Axiom posted [p:976227759] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>Nah German cars are just shit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TripleDouble 09/21/23 9:50:32 PM #47:	SaltyWet posted... A (relatively) simple Toyota/Honda is the way to go Too overpriced these days. --- You're failing. So you blame congess, the president, you blame Greece. But if you looked in the mirror and blamed yourself, you wouldn't like it very much. <cite>TripleDouble posted [p:976227807] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>SaltyWet posted... </cite><quote>A (relatively) simple Toyota/Honda is the way to go</quote>Too overpriced these days. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
vycebrand2 09/21/23 9:51:30 PM #48:	Mine has this feature if you leave the car and its running it does a loud beep. There is no menu choice to to change it. It requires a laptop and a program to turn it off. Dumb --- I was born when she kissed me. I died when she left me. I lived a few weeks while she loved me- <cite>vycebrand2 posted [p:976227820] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>Mine has this feature if you leave the car and its running it does a loud beep. There is no menu choice to to change it. It requires a laptop and a program to turn it off. Dumb </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HOON 09/21/23 11:12:37 PM #49:	Thankfully Colorado has a law that lets you keep the car after the insurance totals it. I just got my car totaled because of hail damage that you cant even see unless the light is just right. But its 13 years old and paid off, so they wanted to take it (probably sell it overseas) and make me pay for another one. Nice try capitalist scum. My state Legislature has my back and I still have my car. --- R.I.P. #43 "Kill all tires" <cite>HOON posted [p:976229237] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>Thankfully Colorado has a law that lets you keep the car after the insurance totals it. I just got my car totaled because of hail damage that you cant even see unless the light is just right. But its 13 years old and paid off, so they wanted to take it (probably sell it overseas) and make me pay for another one. Nice try capitalist scum. My state Legislature has my back and I still have my car. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KaZooo 09/22/23 2:38:29 AM #50:	Literally Volkswagen No offense but I'm baffled to see how that had any appeal when at the dealer. --- Competing every night, both ends, shoot inside/outside, fast break, transition, Monta Ellis have it all <cite>KaZooo posted [p:976231271] in Cars are s... [t:80572918]...</cite> <quote>Literally Volkswagen No offense but I'm baffled to see how that had any appeal when at the dealer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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