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cjsdowg
09/20/23 2:07:50 PM
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https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1704525093454467300

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Cemith
09/20/23 2:08:19 PM
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Republicans are hypocrites, more at 11.

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Charismic_Zach_Gowen
09/20/23 2:13:08 PM
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"that's interesting uhhh"

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Southernfatman
09/20/23 2:14:23 PM
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Then let's adopt those policies!
No, that's socialism!

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ToadallyAwesome
09/20/23 2:15:56 PM
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The delusion that she thinks Trump would help her is astounding.

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Humble_Novice
09/20/23 2:16:09 PM
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Hypocrisy, thy name is Republican.

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Patriotwolf
09/20/23 2:19:18 PM
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There is no moral argument you can make to not have free healthcare

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rideshort
09/20/23 2:19:37 PM
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Another example of ignorant Republicans rooting against their interests.

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gmo7897
09/20/23 2:30:09 PM
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I'm a Republican, am part of a universal healthcare system (VAMedical), don't want that to be my only option, so I bust my ass to ensure I maintain health insurance, so I don't have to use the VA.

One person does not speak for the masses, and yes, that also means I don't speak for the masses.

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Charismic_Zach_Gowen
09/21/23 7:51:11 AM
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gmo7897 posted...
I'm a Republican, am part of a universal healthcare system (VAMedical), don't want that to be my only option, so I bust my ass to ensure I maintain health insurance, so I don't have to use the VA.

The problem with the VA system is two-fold. First, the ones in charge on maintaining the system don't participate in it and get their own universal healthcare system that is much better. Second, while it's universal, it's only universal to a certain population and there's no massive pressure to improve it despite Republicans claiming to care about the troops.

A National Universal System would solve both issues as more Americans would be participating. I would advocate that we would need to abolish Congress's plan and force them to participate in the NUS to incentivize them to actually maintain it.

I'm not opposed to a secondary primary health insurance market that covers stuff the NUS wouldn't though. But currently the private and public systems are clearly not working and need dramatic change

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Avirosb
09/21/23 7:51:58 AM
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Lady, it's not just your back that needs fixing.

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ai123
09/21/23 7:54:22 AM
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Just think of the leverage that a single payer system in the US would have over pharma companies.

That's how you keep drug prices down.

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Jiek_Fafn
09/21/23 7:59:43 AM
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gmo7897 posted...
I'm a Republican, am part of a universal healthcare system (VAMedical), don't want that to be my only option, so I bust my ass to ensure I maintain health insurance, so I don't have to use the VA.

One person does not speak for the masses, and yes, that also means I don't speak for the masses.
The VA is fucking weird. A bunch of my family uses it and love it. They always have great experiences, but I'll hear horror stories from folks that don't live in the area pretty regularly. It seems like it's inconsistent af

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Avirosb
09/21/23 8:01:22 AM
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Charismic_Zach_Gowen posted...
The problem with the VA system is two-fold. First, the ones in charge on maintaining the system don't participate in it and get their own universal healthcare system that is much better. Second, while it's universal, it's only universal to a certain population and there's no massive pressure to improve it despite Republicans claiming to care about the troops.

Is that what universal means?

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Karovorak
09/21/23 8:02:05 AM
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Isn't that the core principle of them?

They deserve it, others don't.

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Avirosb
09/21/23 8:03:59 AM
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Free healthcare is but one benefit of becoming a politician.
Denying others life-saving treatment and medicine is another.

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Heineken14
09/21/23 8:06:02 AM
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Well Donnie never had time to implement his health care plan. If only he had 2 more weeks!

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darkace77450
09/21/23 8:08:40 AM
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ai123 posted...
Just think of the leverage that a single payer system in the US would have over pharma companies.

That's how you keep drug prices down.

Just think of the leverage that a single payer system in the US would have over pharma companies.

That's how you keep profits down, and the Republicans have made it perfectly clear they value profits over people.
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ZMythos
09/21/23 8:14:05 AM
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The solution here is to drag republican voters kicking and screaming into the 21st century with fiscally and morally sound policies like UBI and Single Payer Health Care and let them realize for themselves how good it is.

That's how it's always been, btw. Minimum wage, civil rights, child labor, unions, these are progressive ideas that were unpopular with the conservatives of their time and now if you ask any conservative to give up those things most would prefer to keep them.

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UnsteadyOwl
09/21/23 8:21:03 AM
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You have to understand that conservatives believe strongly in the idea of a social hierarchy. The idea that they are deserving of guaranteed healthcare is fine. The idea that everyone is equally deserving of guaranteed healthcare is offensive to them.

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darkace77450
09/21/23 8:36:26 AM
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ZMythos posted...
That's how it's always been, btw. Minimum wage, civil rights, child labor, unions, these are progressive ideas that were unpopular with the conservatives of their time and now if you ask any conservative to give up those things most would prefer to keep them.

I don't know what conservatives you're talking to, but few of the ones I know support federally mandated minimum wage ("let the market decide"), child labor protections ("nothing wrong with a kid learning a strong work ethic") or unions ("driving jobs overseas"). I'd be shocked if those views weren't widespread.
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Intro2Logic
09/21/23 8:39:37 AM
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It's not a hypocrisy, it's a consistent belief that the government should serve their interests and hamper the interests of others.

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RchHomieQuanChi
09/21/23 8:42:39 AM
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These people are so very, very dumb

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gmo7897
09/21/23 8:55:55 AM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

As a man, I think hes a jackass, but I supported some of his policies; I didnt support others - like every other politician I know.

I dont blindly support any candidate or party full-force. I vote for the person whose views line up most closely with my own, and those generally are the republicans running in general elections. There are some things, though, that I do agree with left-wing ideas on, but the majority of my beliefs line up with right-wing points.

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Southernfatman
09/21/23 8:57:32 AM
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gmo7897 posted...
I vote for the person whose views line up most closely with my own, and those generally are the republicans running in general elections.

And what are those views? The GOP doesn't exactly follow the traditional conservative values of small government and fiscal responsibility.

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Cemith
09/21/23 9:04:08 AM
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Southernfatman posted...
And what are those views? The GOP doesn't exactly follow the traditional conservative values of small government and fiscal responsibility.

Oh you know the ones.

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Gritty
09/21/23 9:04:48 AM
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ToadallyAwesome posted...
The delusion that she thinks Trump would help her is astounding.
Theres so many stupid Americans its really sad
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Avirosb
09/21/23 9:06:23 AM
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gmo7897 posted...
As a man, I think hes a jackass, but I supported some of his policies; I didnt support others - like every other politician I know.

I dont blindly support any candidate or party full-force. I vote for the person whose views line up most closely with my own, and those generally are the republicans running in general elections.

They're so bad with money and the economy though.

Also, Bush was a jackass. Donald Trump is a jackass and a rapist.

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Giant_Aspirin
09/21/23 9:25:39 AM
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the only consistent belief of conservatism is selfishness

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Xenogears15
09/21/23 9:27:51 AM
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The cruelty (others not getting basic social democratic stuff) is the point.

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SaikyoStyle
09/21/23 9:29:37 AM
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darkace77450 posted...
Just think of the leverage that a single payer system in the US would have over pharma companies.

That's how you keep profits down, and the Republicans have made it perfectly clear they value profits over people.
And most of them arent even the ones making the profit.

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bloodyarts
09/21/23 9:50:52 AM
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Cemith posted...
Oh you know the ones.
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Heineken14
09/21/23 9:53:58 AM
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bloodyarts posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/8/8/AAA7ChAAE3FM.jpg


But he got 3 shit lord judges on the Supreme Court and finally killed Roe v Wade. Also he was an incompetent asshole of a moron who made us look like a laughing stock.

Literally the only things republicans are good for, so to say they "align with your views" well....

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Pitbuller_26
09/21/23 10:10:00 AM
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Intro2Logic posted...
It's not a hypocrisy, it's a consistent belief that the government should serve their interests and hamper the interests of others.

Hence why you see Republican voters support things that would help their lives, but when it's mentioned that Black people would also benefit, they suddenly become against it.

Dying of whiteness is a real thing for Republican voters who's primary base is White people.
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gmo7897
09/21/23 10:27:52 AM
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Southernfatman posted...
And what are those views? The GOP doesn't exactly follow the traditional conservative values of small government and fiscal responsibility.
By and large, I support smaller government and fiscal responsibility. If anything, I'm probably more of a Libertarian, but since any attempt at a more-than-two-party system in this country falls apart before it even starts, I stick with the party that represents the majority of my views for voting. Have I voted for things proposed by Democrats? Absolutely. But, as the Democrats generally look for further strengthening the government's control over things, I oppose that, and the Republicans generally have a viewpoint of at least limiting the control to some extent - though I don't think it's enough, personally. I just think that of the two evils readily available, I personally feel the Republicans offer less evil, and I support your right to disagree with that.

Cemith posted...
Oh you know the ones.
Ahhh, yes, a clever insinuation that I must be racist/sexist/homophobic/whatever because I vote a certain way; although, I'm fairly certain you know pretty much nothing about me other than I tend to vote Republican. I get it. You have a world view that everyone who doesn't toe the line and agree with everything in your mind is just an awful person because modern humanity doesn't believe in actually having discourse anymore.

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darkace77450
09/21/23 10:41:24 AM
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gmo7897 posted...
But, as the Democrats generally look for further strengthening the government's control over things, I oppose that, and the Republicans generally have a viewpoint of at least limiting the control to some extent

Do they really, though? Call me crazy, but I seem to recall them stripping women of bodily autonomy, denying families of the right to seek gender affirming care, punishing corporations for supporting activist causes, threatening imprisonment over constitutionally protected free speech, engaging in protectionalism, forcing displays of Christianity in public schools, opposing the legalization of gay marriage, fighting the decriminalization of marijuana, and curtailing our liberties via the Patriot Act. Am I misremembering things, or were you referring to some other Republican Party?
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ClayGuida
09/21/23 10:41:39 AM
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Just so we're clear here, when she says she's disabled, she means she's on disability and doesn't actually work. She's able to attend rallies yet refuses to work for a living. She's the welfare queen that Reagan and company ran on preventing.

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froghunter75
09/21/23 10:44:57 AM
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gmo7897 posted...
By and large, I support smaller government and fiscal responsibility. If anything, I'm probably more of a Libertarian, but since any attempt at a more-than-two-party system in this country falls apart before it even starts, I stick with the party that represents the majority of my views for voting. Have I voted for things proposed by Democrats? Absolutely. But, as the Democrats generally look for further strengthening the government's control over things, I oppose that, and the Republicans generally have a viewpoint of at least limiting the control to some extent - though I don't think it's enough, personally. I just think that of the two evils readily available, I personally feel the Republicans offer less evil, and I support your right to disagree with that.

Ahhh, yes, a clever insinuation that I must be racist/sexist/homophobic/whatever because I vote a certain way; although, I'm fairly certain you know pretty much nothing about me other than I tend to vote Republican. I get it. You have a world view that everyone who doesn't toe the line and agree with everything in your mind is just an awful person because modern humanity doesn't believe in actually having discourse anymore.

Bro you have no idea what you're talking about

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DarthAragorn
09/21/23 10:53:15 AM
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froghunter75 posted...
Bro you have no idea what you're talking about
Well no shit, he votes Republican

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Avirosb
09/21/23 10:58:39 AM
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It is BAD that the government has too much power since they're influenced by billionaires and mega-corps,
therefore I'm all for a SMALLER government which will give more power to billionaires and mega-corps.

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Southernfatman
09/21/23 10:59:38 AM
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gmo7897 posted...
By and large, I support smaller government and fiscal responsibility. If anything, I'm probably more of a Libertarian, but since any attempt at a more-than-two-party system in this country falls apart before it even starts, I stick with the party that represents the majority of my views for voting. Have I voted for things proposed by Democrats? Absolutely. But, as the Democrats generally look for further strengthening the government's control over things, I oppose that, and the Republicans generally have a viewpoint of at least limiting the control to some extent - though I don't think it's enough, personally. I just think that of the two evils readily available, I personally feel the Republicans offer less evil, and I support your right to disagree with that.

But Republicans aren't small government or fiscally conservative. Obviously there are other reasons why you vote for them. What are they?

gmo7897 posted...
Ahhh, yes, a clever insinuation that I must be racist/sexist/homophobic/whatever because I vote a certain way; although, I'm fairly certain you know pretty much nothing about me other than I tend to vote Republican. I get it. You have a world view that everyone who doesn't toe the line and agree with everything in your mind is just an awful person because modern humanity doesn't believe in actually having discourse anymore.

You vote for the racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic party. Even if you really aren't any of that, you're fine with it all as long as you get what you want. You're complicit in it and enable horrible treatment of others.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


It's basically people who watch dystopian movies and go "I want that!" Just more of letting the rich do whatever they want.

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Charismic_Zach_Gowen
09/21/23 11:05:00 AM
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Avirosb posted...
Is that what universal means?

It's universal within its population subset as in anyone whose in the military has the benefit, same with Congress. Private employer healthcare isn't considered universal because generally only certain employees have access to it and the plans can vary depending on various circumstances.

By all means a national universal system would be better though because you wouldn't have as disinterested politicians because they're now invested in it

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Heineken14
09/21/23 11:11:46 AM
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gmo7897 posted...
By and large, I support smaller government and fiscal responsibility. If anything, I'm probably more of a Libertarian, but since any attempt at a more-than-two-party system in this country falls apart before it even starts, I stick with the party that represents the majority of my views for voting. Have I voted for things proposed by Democrats? Absolutely. But, as the Democrats generally look for further strengthening the government's control over things, I oppose that, and the Republicans generally have a viewpoint of at least limiting the control to some extent - though I don't think it's enough, personally. I just think that of the two evils readily available, I personally feel the Republicans offer less evil, and I support your right to disagree with that.


People that believe this sort of nonsense vote, and they vote regularly.

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andel
09/21/23 11:14:41 AM
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gmo7897 posted...
By and large, I support smaller government and fiscal responsibility. If anything, I'm probably more of a Libertarian, but since any attempt at a more-than-two-party system in this country falls apart before it even starts, I stick with the party that represents the majority of my views for voting. Have I voted for things proposed by Democrats? Absolutely. But, as the Democrats generally look for further strengthening the government's control over things, I oppose that, and the Republicans generally have a viewpoint of at least limiting the control to some extent - though I don't think it's enough, personally. I just think that of the two evils readily available, I personally feel the Republicans offer less evil, and I support your right to disagree with that.

Ahhh, yes, a clever insinuation that I must be racist/sexist/homophobic/whatever because I vote a certain way; although, I'm fairly certain you know pretty much nothing about me other than I tend to vote Republican. I get it. You have a world view that everyone who doesn't toe the line and agree with everything in your mind is just an awful person because modern humanity doesn't believe in actually having discourse anymore.

the party trying to ban teaching about slavery and control women's bodies is not the party of small government and calling the party that openly attempts to eradicate lgbt people and end democracy by installing trump as a fascist dictator the lesser of two evils is an absolutely bonkers take.

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Voidgolem
09/21/23 11:16:45 AM
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The mindset of "government doesn't work so we need less of it!" requires ignoring decades of dismantling administrative power in the name of profit that the layperson will never, ever benefit from.

Like, a lot of the American dream came about from policies that, in the modern day, would not have passed because the modern conservative would screech about overreach or spending or socialism or whatever. It's baffling.

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Avirosb
09/21/23 11:18:46 AM
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The democrats are trying to cancel us on the marketplace of ideas. Also we should burn books!

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