Current Events > Persona 4 is better than 5

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Naoto is also a dumbass and got herself caught with zero contingencies

_____Cait posted...

I couldnt put 4 down for most of the playthrough.

I got thoroughly bored of 5 because it was so bloated, had too many mechanics going on with Mementos and cat cars and phones and whatever, and Morgana telling you how to be a good boy.

Mementos is such a fucking drag. Why they decided literally all of it was going to look and sound almost exactly the same the entire way through is something I will never understand.

At least 4s hallways had different music and settings. Mementos is just floor after floor of black and red and weak enemies

I liked the P4 characters better, but everything else about P5 was superior for me.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Mementos is such a fucking drag. Why they decided literally all of it was going to look and sound almost exactly the same the entire way through is something I will never understand.

At least 4s hallways had different music and settings. Mementos is just floor after floor of black and red and weak enemies

Mementos are just 3's Tartarus and Palace are 4's dungeons.

Kuuko posted...

This applies to P4 and Naoto much more than it applies to P5 and Makoto. Pre-Naoto the gang collaboratively stumbles their way into understanding mysteries and plot developments. Post-Naoto, Naoto handles the plot exposition on her own while the rest of the party reacts to it.

I can handle having 1 Naoto doing naoto things on the scale she does them at. Futaba and Makoto go so far beyond small town shenanigans that its way harder to reconcile.

Futaba just happens to be a world level hacker that can do anything from her hermit nest and Makoto becomes the voice of the team because the player cant speak. Naoto handles exposition, but I feel it is nowhere near the level that Futaba and Makoto take over

Ricemills posted...

Mementos are just 3's Tartarus and Palace are 4's dungeons.

And Tartarus was BAD lol. I wouldve been perfectly okay with not having a persona 5 version of tartarus.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Mementos is such a fucking drag. Why they decided literally all of it was going to look and sound almost exactly the same the entire way through is something I will never understand.

At least 4s hallways had different music and settings. Mementos is just floor after floor of black and red and weak enemies

Mementos was really just an improved version of Persona 3's dungeon, Tartarus. So it's something they've done before.

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I like P4 more overall, but P5 was the first Persona game I ever got to play, so it has that special aspect for me. But I can't say I really clung to P5's characters (aside from Joker since he's in Smash) like I did any of the P4 characters.

P4/P4G is one of my favorite games.

P5 took longer to grow on me. Still really good though, I ended up playing it twice more after beating it the first time.

P3 was good, but definitely the weakest of the three, although weirdly I think I preferred it to P5 if we're comparing first playthroughs. Doesn't hold up as well on a replay imo.

PMarth2002 posted...

P4/P4G is one of my favorite games.

P5 took longer to grow on me. Still really good though, I ended up playing it twice more after beating it the first time.

P3 was good, but definitely the weakest of the three, although weirdly I think I preferred it to P5 if we're comparing first playthroughs. Doesn't hold up as well on a replay imo.

5s biggest problem for me is that the beginning is so good, and then it fails to reach those highs for a LONG time after. On replay i usually finish madarame and then im like fuck its gonna be a while before im that invested again

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

5s biggest problem for me is that the beginning is so good, and then it fails to reach those highs for a LONG time after. On replay i usually finish madarame and then im like fuck its gonna be a while before im that invested again

Yeah, I think that's one thing almost everyone agrees on. The beginning is so damn good and it doesn't maintain that

4 is the only one between 3, 4, and 5 I've never beaten... I always got bored and dropped it at some point... I think a big problem for me is that I don't really care for any of the characters so seeing where their story goes wasn't enticing...

I'm replaying P3P before the remake comes out and after that I'll probably give P4G another shot since I do have it...

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

5s biggest problem for me is that the beginning is so good, and then it fails to reach those highs for a LONG time after. On replay i usually finish madarame and then im like fuck its gonna be a while before im that invested again

Madarame was a low point to me. It felt like a step back from Kamoshida. The first time around, I actually stopped playing for months without finishing it.

PMarth2002 posted...

Madarame was a low point to me. It felt like a step back from Kamoshida. The first time around, I actually stopped playing for months without finishing it.

I agree thats its a step back from Kamoshida, but its still very good compared to Kaneshiro, which is where my interest always falls off a cliff. Like it goes from abusive, rapist teacher, to abusive artist who extorts his students to then being basically blackmailed by Makoto to thwart what is probably my least favorite villain in the game.

Yusuke sucks

Yukiko > Rise > Naoto > Chie

Ann > Makoto > Futaba > Haru

P4 has the best party member waifus
P5 has the best NPC waifus
P3 has neither lol

NeonTentacles posted...

P3 has neither lol

Yukari >>>>>

Doe posted...

Yukari >>>>>

Fuuka > Mitsuru > Yukari

Fuuka is fine but personally I dunno what people see in Mitsuru

Doe posted...

Fuuka is fine but personally I dunno what people see in Mitsuru

Their dicks

NoxObscuras posted...

Yeah, I think that's one thing almost everyone agrees on. The beginning is so damn good and it doesn't maintain that

The first 2 targets were so much more personal, and then it just feels aimless for a long time after. I understand that thats literally a plot point, where the thieves realize theyve lost sight of their goal, but its just not as fun to play.

I really could not give less of a shit about Kaneshiro or being taken down by faceless hackers, compared to the monster of a teacher and extortion artist that precede them

NeonTentacles posted...

Yukiko > Rise > Naoto > Chie

Ann > Makoto > Futaba > Haru

P4 has the best party member waifus
P5 has the best NPC waifus
P3 has neither lol

Chie will always be #1

#1 in the dumpster

better than P4's NPC waifus at least

Chie slander will get get you glove slapped good sir

ironman2009 posted...

Chie slander will get get you glove slapped good sir

I see this fine gentleman understands

I still banged all of them in my playthrough but Yukiko is #1 in my heart and in my party. I'd rather bro with Chie than date her

NeonTentacles posted...

#1 in the dumpster

better than P4's NPC waifus at least

I dont think ill ever fully find it normal that so many of p5s romance options are adults.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

The first 2 targets were so much more personal, and then it just feels aimless for a long time after. I understand that thats literally a plot point, where the thieves realize theyve lost sight of their goal, but its just not as fun to play.

I really could not give less of a shit about Kaneshiro or being taken down by faceless hackers, compared to the monster of a teacher and extortion artist that precede them

Madarame was personal to Yusuke, but I wasn't invested in his character yet so my interest was at its lowest point during his palace. I thought the setup for the Kaneshiro arc was pretty strong, or at least more interesting than Madarame. The pay off was a letdown though, like you said, its not very personal, and Kaneshiro himself is bland. Madarame at least had the reveal about Yusuke's mom during the showdown, so that's a point in his favor as a villain.

Medjed is an afterthought for palace 4 imo, the real stakes are with futaba. Her palace was a high point to me because it felt the most like a P4 awakening. She's my favorite character in P5 by a lot.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Chie will always be #1

Agreed.

Remember in Royal when Maruki brings back everyone's ideal world, but Yusuke had Madarame there instead of his mom being alive?

That was weird >_>

NeonTentacles posted...

Remember in Royal when Maruki brings back everyone's ideal world, but Yusuke had Madarame there instead of his mom being alive?

That was weird >_>

Yeah cause Yusuke is the worst

NeonTentacles posted...

Remember in Royal when Maruki brings back everyone's ideal world, but Yusuke had Madarame there instead of his mom being alive?

That was weird >_>

He doesn't have any memories of his mom. Madarame basically raised him from a very young age.

Since we're talking about Chie... Chie was my favorite character in vanilla Persona 4. Tracey Rooney just had such a calm, soothing voice. Not a fan of the new VA in Golden, even if she fits the character more.

PMarth2002 posted...

Madarame was personal to Yusuke, but I wasn't invested in his character yet so my interest was at its lowest point during his palace. I thought the setup for the Kaneshiro arc was pretty strong, or at least more interesting than Madarame. The pay off was a bit of a letdown though. Madarame at least had the reveal about Yusuke's mom during the showdown, so that's a point in his favor as a villain.

Medjed is an afterthought for palace 4 imo, the real stakes are with futaba. Her palace was a high point to me because it felt the most like a P4 awakening. She's my favorite character in P5 by a lot.

Yeah thats fair. Im a little biased because Madarames palace theme is my favorite by far. And I agree that the real purpose of Futabas place is her awakening, but the hacker group. wasnt an interesting plot point to get to her palace for me.

PMarth2002 posted...

He doesn't have any memories of his mom. Madarame basically raised him from a very young age.

He still cares about her especially after he finds out the truth about the art

NeonTentacles posted...

Remember in Royal when Maruki brings back everyone's ideal world, but Yusuke had Madarame there instead of his mom being alive?

That was weird >_>

Well that's part of the flaw in Maruki's "perfect world." He's choosing what he feels is best for everyone. It's not actually perfect for everyone

NeonTentacles posted...

That was weird >_>

Yusuke is able to get by without his mom, but his great trauma in life is how Madarame used him, and that is what he confides in Maruki about. Even after learning the truth about Madarame, Yusuke's feelings about him were complex

When i first started 4 after i finished 5 i just assumed that all women were on the table based on 5, so when the step mom social link started i was like woah idk about this one lmao.

I kinda wish joker was either slightly older or the older women were either younger or just not romanceable at all like in kawakamis case

NoxObscuras posted...

Well that's part of the flaw in Maruki's "perfect world." He's choosing what he feels is best for everyone. It's not actually perfect for everyone

Like IMO this is kind of a misreading at least in terms of Yusuke. It's never presented that Maruki "screwed up" really in granting any of the wishes he did for the main cast, not in the sense he is a flawed wish granter. His micromanaging is shown to cause conflicts for NPCs in the wider world here and there but it's not really a complaint for the main cast that he could've done even better by them.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

When i first started 4 after i finished 5 i just assumed that all women were on the table based on 5, so when the step mom social link started i was like woah idk about this one lmao.

I kinda wish joker was either slightly older or the older women were either younger or just not romanceable at all like in kawakamis case

You can definitely romance kawakami. Did you mean someone else?

Just don't romance them then. Like I never do Ken's romance in P3P, but I slut it up with everyone else

But for me, I'm all up in Kawakami and Takemi! Best waifus

PMarth2002 posted...

You can definitely romance kawakami. Did you mean someone else?

Sorry bad wording on my part. I was trying to say id rather Kawakami NOT be a romance option

Doe posted...

Like IMO this is kind of a misreading at least in terms of Yusuke. It's never presented that Maruki "screwed up" really in granting any of the wishes he did for the main cast, not in the sense he is a flawed wish granter. His micromanaging is shown to cause conflicts for NPCs in the wider world here and there but it's not really a complaint for the main cast that he could've done even better by them.

This was a big debate topic on the P5 Royal boards, so I don't want to derail this topic too much. But I'm off the opinion that as we saw the false reality, there were a lot of little things that were messed up. Which is why I feel Maruki's perfect world was flawed.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Sorry bad wording on my part. I was trying to say id rather Kawakami NOT be a romance option

I thought that was kinda weird given Kamoshida. Even P3, which has two social links about older female teachers and male students doesn't actually let you romance the older teacher.

I definitely agree it is, and also that the topic is pretty good at derailing threads on CE, I just mean that I don't think Maruki giving Yusuke back Madarame instead of EG bringing his mom back is to be read as Maruki's imperfect judgment. If it provides us with any negative information about him it's that it shows how manipulative he is willing to be due to his distorted desires that he would use conseling as a pretext to gather info on the Phantoms to later ideologically neutralize them

PMarth2002 posted...

I thought that was kinda weird given Kamoshida. Even P3, which has two social links about older female teachers and male students doesn't actually let you romance the older teacher.

Maybe in Reload. I know I wanted to romance Torumi. Her S Link was hilarious

Doe posted...

I definitely agree it is, and also that the topic is pretty good at derailing threads on CE, I just mean that I don't think Maruki giving Yusuke back Madarame instead of EG bringing his mom back is to be read as Maruki's imperfect judgment. If it provides us with any negative information about him it's that it shows how manipulative he is willing to be due to his distorted desires that he would use conseling as a pretext to gather info on the Phantoms to later ideologically neutralize them

I don't think Maruki is being manipulative in that way. He seems to genuinely want to make people's lives better, his ideas about how to do it just differ from the phantoms.

also, Yusuke approached Maruki first, without anyone ever suggesting he do so.

PMarth2002 posted...

I thought that was kinda weird given Kamoshida. Even P3, which has two social links about older female teachers and male students doesn't actually let you romance the older teacher.

Yeah haha the school just had a teacher eviscerated for abuse and underage sexual assault, so the fact that your underage player character can have a relationship with another teacher from the same school istroubling to say the least

PMarth2002 posted...

I don't think Maruki is being manipulative in that way. He seems to genuinely want to make people's lives better, his ideas about how to do it just differ from the phantoms.

also, Yusuke approached Maruki first, without anyone ever suggesting he do so.

Yeah I misspoke, Maruki didn't know he'd have a chance to coup the holy grail until close to when he does it. But I do think it's clear that what he does for the Phantom Thieves is not identical to what he does for the rest of the world, and he initially withholds the truth about Akechi from Joker as a trump card to dissuade Joker from pursuing him on the day of fates. Lavenza also comments on the dubiousness of some of Maruki's encounters with the cast when they all figure out how he learned their wishes, saying something like "There's no way of knowing how many of those situations were intentionally orchestrated by that man..."