Current Events > Have old cartoons like Flintstones, Jetsons, Popeye etc. finally lost relevance?

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_____Cait posted...

I honestly dont think the memes matter.

They do when it's perfectly normal for kids to not watch TV.

Honestly, this makes Scooby-Doo all the more impressive. How is it of all old cartoons, this is the one that kept its relevance?

Scooby still stands the test of time. My kids enjoy it.

YellowSUV posted...

Probably. Part of the reason the Wizard of Oz is so well known is that most of it has been in the public domain for a long time.

Some of the early disney stuff is reaching it.

So much better than this modern garbage

josifrees posted...

So much better than this modern garbage

The stuff you remember is the 10% that survived, which is less about inherent quality and more because it was syndicated and run to death on local TV stations/cable.

Nobody gives a shit about Bosko or Buddy or Sniffles or any of that crap.

josifrees posted...

So much better than this modern garbage

Flintstones and Jetsons? Uhh no.

Language evolves all the time. The modern use of "Calarts" has nothing to do with John K's definition of it being Renaissance Disney style. When someone says "Calarts" today 99% of the time they are not referring to John K's definition.

Imagine if people said you shouldn't say the word "zoomer" to refer to people born from circa 1997 to 2010 because 20 years ago it referred to boomers who were physically active.

josifrees is a lame troll. Just ignore him.

Ivynn posted...

Honestly, this makes Scooby-Doo all the more impressive. How is it of all old cartoons, this is the one that kept its relevance?

They cleverly reboot themselves every decade or so. Then every kid is exposed to Scooby Doo, and now every generation has a nostalgic memory of the franchise.

Scooby-Doo also has a great hook. A funny talking dog and his friends solve a mystery where someone is pretending to be a monster to scare people. It's probably most kids first time watching something like a whodunit.

Flintstones will never lose it's relevance due to the Fruity, and Cocoa Pebbles cereal which are still very popular.

I think it was def. a lack of competition/reruns thing. Hell, even the powerhouses that succeeded them mostly lost relevance beyond a 90s nostalgia rush, thats petered out and moved onto 2000s nostalgia.

That Flintstones comic from the 2010s was legit though.

Scooby Doo keeps getting new iterations. I know some people who watched Mystery Inc., though theyre not much younger (younger millennial and older gen z).

The internet was suppose to make it easier for things to be seen but now kids just don't watch anything but short videos...depressing how its a death cycle for anything not a meme unless attention spans somehow don't get worst.

CRON posted...

For what it's worth I was born in the 90s and watched a shitload of Looney Tunes from the 40s-60s and it didn't matter to me how old they were.

But kids today watch dumb shit because dumb shit is readily available to them

most of the cartoons of my youth were dumb shit too

Necronmon posted...

The internet was suppose to make it easier for things to be seen but now kids just don't watch anything but short videos...depressing how its a death cycle for anything not a meme unless attention spans somehow don't get worst.

Weird thing is it often isn't that much easier.

I wanted to put on classic Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry for my daughter in Australia. My choices are to buy an expensive DVD set and/or Blu-Ray set (they both have exclusive episodes) or watch out of context clips uploaded by Warner Bros on YouTube.

But I can get some of their new shows on a specific streaming service. Not the older stuff though.

I don't think it's that much different for the Hanna-Barbera stuff (not that I would put those on lol).

Nickelodeon stuff is a bit easier thanks to Paramount Plus being rather good with their legacy content and here they also have a streaming and broadcast channel dedicated to it. Disney stuff is mostly good too.

I feel like it was overall easier to be exposed to it as a kid. I remember random Looney Tunes episodes turning up between TV shows back in the 90s.

I was just telling my girlfriend about how movies like Wizard of Oz, which is almost 100 years old, are going to be losing a lot of cultural relevancy in the coming years. Like, it will still always have its place in history, but kids in 2023 aren't going to be watching Wizard of Oz because it's not the type of "old" movie parents these days will show them. If parents show kids one of their childhood movies now, it's going to be one of their childhood films, not their parents'.

Returning_CEmen posted...

But kids today watch dumb shit because dumb shit is readily available to them

Bro I was watching Ren and Stimpy growing up, kids are always watching dumb shit.

I wish the Flintstones got like an adult swim reboot a la the Harvey Birdman version.

codey posted...

I was just telling my girlfriend about how movies like Wizard of Oz, which is almost 100 years old, are going to be losing a lot of cultural relevancy in the coming years. Like, it will still always have its place in history, but kids in 2023 aren't going to be watching Wizard of Oz because it's not the type of "old" movie parents these days will show them. If parents show kids one of their childhood movies now, it's going to be one of their childhood films, not their parents'.

Mary Poppins is gonna be another one. I doubt kids of today are gonna care about any Disney movie before The Little Mermaid.

Even the memory of Disney being a company/brand that didn't make big budget blockbuster movies has died and they only started doing that 20 years ago.

Even in the adult sense I can see how less relevant The Godfather and Scarface is with teenagers and young guys compared to when I was that age.

kids today don't remember rudy vallee - i'm tellin yas, he used to be a megastar

Punished_Blinx posted...

Mary Poppins is gonna be another one. I doubt kids of today are gonna care about any Disney movie before The Little Mermaid.

Even the memory of Disney being a company/brand that didn't make big budget blockbuster movies has died and they only started doing that 20 years ago.

Even in the adult sense I can see how less relevant The Godfather and Scarface is with teenagers and young guys compared to when I was that age.

For sure. Growing up id flip on Cribs on MTV and literally every rapper had a Scarface poster framed in their house, and these days Scarface is mostly regarded as a pretty good gangster movie with some memorable lines rather than the cultural touchstone it used to be.

Out of the topic title

Flintstones: Kinda legacy, hanging on but not huge
Jetsons: Yeah dead in the water
Popeye: Its influence stays but yeah not that relevant

Returning_CEmen posted...

But kids today watch dumb shit because dumb shit is readily available to them

How is that noteworthy? We did the same thing.

Guide posted...

Fuckin' Bluey comes up from every friend with toddlers, nowadays. Maybe they don't watch it on a TV.

I imagine you can watch a lot of it for free. I know for some shows like PJ Mask or Paw Patrol have official youtube channels that endlessly stream it. It's edited so that plotlines aren't fully played out and jump around a bit. Basically you're not watching the full show, but honestly with the attention span kids have it doesn't often matter. I imagine Bluey has a similar thing

Bluey episodes are only 7 minutes long and is one of the most watched shows on Disney+.

I'm in Australia where the show is made and it is available for free over here however.

Paw Patrol and PJ Mask are similar in the sense that an episode only goes for 10 minutes (although they bundle two together) so they're the kind of shows kids can just have on in the background for a long time whether that's on a proper streaming service or YouTube. Not a coincidence that it's these shows that are popular right now with young kids. They have a lot of content and are easy to access and stream.

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Now I want them to reboot The Jetsons. When they inevitably add POC, the right wingers will come out of the woodwork shouting woke, despite not giving a shit about the show previously.

mario2000 posted...

Because in addition to being coined by a pedo it's also wholly inaccurate?

It's inaccurate that there are characters who have toothy smiles that look like worms? People don't dislike the art style because it came from California. They dislike it because it's an ugly-ass art style.

What's with people like you and AceMos trying to trick people into liking "CalArts"? By any other name, shit still stinks. It isn't the victim of bad branding or prejudice toward the state or art school that it's alleged to have originated from. A lot of people simply do not like that art style.

And please don't be pedantic about how "art style" isn't the right descriptor for it.

FortuneCookie posted...

It's inaccurate that there are characters who have toothy smiles that look like worms? People don't dislike the art style because it came from California. They dislike it because it's an ugly-ass art style.

What's with people like you and AceMos trying to trick people into liking "CalArts"? By any other name, shit still stinks. It isn't the victim of bad branding or prejudice toward the state or art school that it's alleged to have originated from. A lot of people simply do not like that art style.

And please don't be pedantic about how "art style" isn't the right descriptor for it.

It's a cute poppy art style in cartoons for children, I never understand why there was this raging contingent of adults when I grew up watching absolutely hideous cartoons like Ed Edd n Eddie, Ahhhhh Real Monsters, CatDog and Ren and Stimpy.

Here's a hint: if you're complaining about the childrens show's style being ugly, you're too fucking old to be watching them.

That's funny. I don't recall a post where I said that art designs in animation were invariably good until CalArts came along.

Yes, it's an age thing. If a young person dislikes that design, I guess you can just chalk that up to them being influenced by older people and their negative opinions.

There's no reason to admit that some people just genuinely do not care for that style of animation.

yes

their porn parodies are still pretty good though

Growing up I hated virtually every Hanna-Barbera cartoon.

The original Popeye series was enjoyable though. I had a few episodes on those 8hrs of Cartoons VHS tapes that I enjoyed watching.

codey posted...

It's a cute poppy art style in cartoons for children, I never understand why there was this raging contingent of adults when I grew up watching absolutely hideous cartoons like Ed Edd n Eddie, Ahhhhh Real Monsters, CatDog and Ren and Stimpy.

Here's a hint: if you're complaining about the childrens show's style being ugly, you're too fucking old to be watching them.

I doubt that.

Popeye will always be relevant
https://i.vgy.me/lklLz7.jpg

codey posted...

It's a cute poppy art style in cartoons for children, I never understand why there was this raging contingent of adults when I grew up watching absolutely hideous cartoons like Ed Edd n Eddie, Ahhhhh Real Monsters, CatDog and Ren and Stimpy.

Here's a hint: if you're complaining about the childrens show's style being ugly, you're too fucking old to be watching them.

I know a lot of people my age or older who liked Adventure Time, but I hated that shows art style. I had nothing. The art styles of Adventure Times peers, just Adventure Time itself.

codey posted...

It's a cute poppy art style in cartoons for children, I never understand why there was this raging contingent of adults when I grew up watching absolutely hideous cartoons like Ed Edd n Eddie, Ahhhhh Real Monsters, CatDog and Ren and Stimpy.

Here's a hint: if you're complaining about the childrens show's style being ugly, you're too fucking old to be watching them.

It's telling that so many of the "CalArts" shows are actually way better looking than the stuff that was around 10+ years before. LIke, I'm not sure why I'm supposed to be looking at Powerpuff Girls and thinking "damn, this shit ballin', fuck Centaur World".

I avoided TLA for years because I thought their heads looked stupid and Aang's tattoo was cringe, so I should know a thing or two about having a dumb cartoon opinion and being a jackass in general about it.

McMarbles posted...

I find the people who complain about CalArts are also the people who say WOKE every other word.

John K is a racist pedo. I've known since I used to follow his blog at spumco.com. All the shit that came out about him 20 years after the fact wasn't really a surprise. In his blogs he regularly lamented about how PC modern animation had become and praised the old racist Looney Tunes cartoons as "true" animation. He'd even add his own racist caricatures in his blog.

I'm just saying that the people should know that the person who invented the Cal Arts slur is not too different from many of the people who use it unironically.

(Oh, he also hated anime and pitied Don Bluth as well).

FortuneCookie posted...

It's inaccurate that there are characters who have toothy smiles that look like worms? People don't dislike the art style because it came from California. They dislike it because it's an ugly-ass art style.

What's with people like you and AceMos trying to trick people into liking "CalArts"? By any other name, shit still stinks. It isn't the victim of bad branding or prejudice toward the state or art school that it's alleged to have originated from. A lot of people simply do not like that art style.

And please don't be pedantic about how "art style" isn't the right descriptor for it.

Most animators who do "CalArts style" aren't even from California Institute of the Arts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Institute_of_the_Arts#CalArts_style

mario2000 posted...

Most animators who do "CalArts style" aren't even from California Institute of the Arts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Institute_of_the_Arts#CalArts_style

If I may reiterate, my problem with the art style is not contingent upon whether or not it originated from the California Institute of Arts. I don't have some disdain for California which gets in the way of me liking a fun and poppy art style.

It could be known as, "The Parisian Method," and I would still find it just as much of an eyesore.

Full_Pokedex posted...

Cuphead is greatly inspired by 50's-60's cartoons and that game is great to look at.

The animation in cuphead is way better than those cartoons and they're not 60s cartoons either. Cartoons in the 60s were like space ghost and that old green lantern cartoon where the animation was super stiff and everything was more realistic looking.

Cuphead is more like the old Disney cartoons from the 30s through the early 50s rubber hose animation style.

Kids today are too edgy for cartoons.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Cuphead is more like the old Disney cartoons from the 30s through the early 50s rubber hose animation style.

Oh, it definitely has a Max Fleischer art design to it.

FortuneCookie posted...

If I may reiterate, my problem with the art style is not contingent upon whether or not it originated from the California Institute of Arts. I don't have some disdain for California which gets in the way of me liking a fun and poppy art style.

It could be known as, "The Parisian Method," and I would still find it just as much of an eyesore.

Then call it Parisian Method.

No need to signal boost an abusive diddler.

I could call it the "worm tooth" style, but I can't guarantee that everyone would know what I was talking about.

ellis123 posted...

Yes.

Did you know they made a super edgy Looney Tunes reboot?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/0/7/AAEv3mAAE1G7.jpg

I know this is a real thing that actually happened but this is still simply too stupid to be real.

Evolician posted...

I know this is a real thing that actually happened but this is still simply too stupid to be real.

It really wasn't stupid nor was it "super edgy." It was just an action cartoon using Looney Tunes characters.

Evolician posted...

I know this is a real thing that actually happened but this is still simply too stupid to be real.

It was bad enough that they apparently have a framed picture of it (the one I posted) framed in one of the entrance hallways that you have to go through in order to get into the office specifically as a reminder of what not to do.

There is something to that. That kids nowadays no longer have to settle for cheap filler movies or old shows.