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ssb_yunglink2
09/07/23 8:44:22 AM
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I have never been able to get into Bethesda games because despite incredible worlds and exploration, the combat is just so bad. Skyrim melee combat is literally minecraft level of trading hits until one of you dies, and a lot of people consider it one of the greatest games of all time.

if combat wasnt super common, id understand giving some leeway, but you fight stuff in these games a lot. So why do these continually get a pass for combat that just isnt fun?
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TetsuoS2
09/07/23 8:53:52 AM
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bethesda has successfully outsourced making a complete game to the public.

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Xenogears15
09/07/23 8:56:19 AM
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Because Todd is secretly the God of Death.

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GunmaN1905
09/07/23 8:59:45 AM
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There's no reasoning with Bethesda fanboys, so might aswell let it go.

Starfield in it's current state is a solid game, I'd say between 6.5 and 7.5 depending on your preferences, but considering the budget at their disposal and the hype they created, it's nowhere close to those ridiculous 10/10 reviews.

Maybe it's just me, but what's so amazing about the game? For me, a 10/10 game either has to be perfect in every way if we talk all the stuff we've seen already or it has to be innovative. Starfield is neither.

I can't name one gameplay mechanic we haven't seen before.
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AceMos
09/07/23 9:01:31 AM
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TetsuoS2 posted...
bethesda has successfully outsourced making a complete game to the public.
its sad that this is true


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Freddie_Mercury
09/07/23 9:05:40 AM
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small indie studio please understand

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monkeykid453
09/07/23 9:11:23 AM
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This is the main reason I couldnt play Skyrim. The combat just felt so garbage

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specialkid8
09/07/23 9:14:33 AM
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People really come out of the woodwork when a Bethesda game comes out to say they never liked them, and they are actually bad games.

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MedeaLysistrata
09/07/23 9:16:41 AM
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specialkid8 posted...
People really come out of the woodwork when a Bethesda game comes out to say they never liked them, and they are actually bad games.
i am this way with civ 4

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Doom_Art
09/07/23 9:17:19 AM
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specialkid8 posted...
People really come out of the woodwork when a Bethesda game comes out to say they never liked them, and they are actually bad games.
The way certain folks would have you believe Bethesda is a critically panned and unsuccessful studio that releases unplayable buggy flops every several years

Some folks need to go out and touch grass lol

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Jagr_68
09/07/23 9:18:49 AM
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Swordplay isn't exactly Witcher 3's strong suit either and that's perhaps one of the top 5 RPGs ever made.
It's always been about exploration, role-playing, and simply being part of a great narrative.

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haloiscoolisbak
09/07/23 9:20:06 AM
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Skyrim came out pre Dark souls really revolutionising medieval melee combat right?

I feel like the next elder scrolls game will get a bit more in depth with swordplay

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GunmaN1905
09/07/23 9:20:41 AM
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monkeykid453 posted...
This is the main reason I couldnt play Skyrim. The combat just felt so garbage

It's a problem a lot of open world games with a ton of content have. Even all-time great ones like Skyrim or Witcher.

Witcher 3 is an all-time classic, but combat is by far the weakest aspect of the game.

For example, I've never been a GTA fan, so I didn't play RDR, either. Last year I finally gave RDR2 a shot. Amazing game in every aspect, really enjoyable...but the actual gameplay (gunplay) is straight from 2005. Just not something I could ever see myself playing for more than one playthrough.

CDPR (rightfully so) go destroyed at Cyberpunk release, but if you look at Starfield, their NPC AI is even worse. They don't even react to stuff like guns being pulled out or shot in cities, even shooting story-related NPCs doesn't do shit. It's 2023, ffs.
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itcheyness
09/07/23 9:21:50 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
The way certain folks would have you believe Bethesda is a critically panned and unsuccessful studio that releases unplayable buggy flops every several years

Some folks need to go out and touch grass lol
Yep, I just presume they're trying to be cringey edgelords for internet clout.

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ssb_yunglink2
09/07/23 9:23:34 AM
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Jagr_68 posted...
Swordplay isn't exactly Witcher 3's strong suit either and that's perhaps one of the top 5 RPGs ever made.
It's always been about exploration, role-playing, and simply being part of a great narrative.
Im not huge on Witcher 3 either tbh. Im usually a gameplay over story type of person, and in games where im mostly in it for story, I find i usually like turn based better.
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ssb_yunglink2
09/07/23 9:25:01 AM
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itcheyness posted...
Yep, I just presume they're trying to be cringey edgelords for internet clout.
I dont think anyone in this topic has gotten anywhere near trying to get clout for not thinking bethesda is 10/10. Its possible to not like a game just because you dont like it
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LeCh0nk
09/07/23 9:30:05 AM
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I enjoyed the combat The Witcher 3 and Fallout 4...

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ANort175
09/07/23 9:31:28 AM
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LeCh0nk posted...
I enjoyed the combat The Witcher 3 and Fallout 4...
There are literally dozen of us!

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DementedDurian
09/07/23 9:32:34 AM
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
I dont think anyone in this topic has gotten anywhere near trying to get clout for not thinking bethesda is 10/10. Its possible to not like a game just because you dont like it

Given how some of the other boards (like the Pokemon one) have trolls who pretend to be fans but say nothing but negatives, you'd have to be understanding if someone has doubt about that.

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hereforemnant
09/07/23 9:33:29 AM
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The same way that Pokemon still has vehement defenders of it's IP is all that needs to be said. Bethesda has been doing open world Bethesda games with little to minimum changes between them for 20 years now, same with Pokemon. Except this time it's in space, while still retaining that classic Bethesda jank & a deja vu where you feel like you've done this before.

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Jagr_68
09/07/23 9:33:30 AM
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PraetorXyn
09/07/23 9:36:01 AM
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I dont know. Ive liked every Bethesda game less and less since Morrowind (which was an actual good RPG).

Its understandable why PC gamers are more tolerant of Bethesdas shortcomings, as we just mod the hell out of the game anyway. I dont know why console players suddenly have no standards whatsoever when discussing Bethesda titles.

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Heineken14
09/07/23 9:37:12 AM
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*sees everyone and their grandma knock any Bethesda game that comes out for shitty combat*

DO they get a pass?

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Prismsblade
09/07/23 9:43:37 AM
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I'm dumbfounded there as well. Even not long after it came out the game looked like utter crap to me so i never played it and brought Dragons Dogma instead.

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AceMos
09/07/23 9:48:31 AM
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to the ppl defending bethesda in this topic WHY is it ok for them to release buggy unfinished games

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LeCh0nk
09/07/23 9:51:01 AM
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AceMos posted...
to the ppl defending bethesda in this topic WHY is it ok for them to release buggy unfinished games
It's a feature, not a bug.

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rynobot
09/07/23 9:51:42 AM
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hereforemnant posted...
The same way that Pokemon still has vehement defenders of it's IP is all that needs to be said. Bethesda has been doing open world Bethesda games with little to minimum changes between them for 20 years now, same with Pokemon. Except this time it's in space, while still retaining that classic Bethesda jank & a deja vu where you feel like you've done this before.
Because it just works

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Alteres
09/07/23 10:14:32 AM
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specialkid8 posted...
People really come out of the woodwork when a Bethesda game comes out to say they never liked them, and they are actually bad games.
This, I was just thinking since when is CE so anti Bethesda, are those considered too hardcore gamer (tm) these days?.

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Tsukasa1891
09/07/23 10:19:47 AM
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Skyrim melee combat is
Didn't almost everyone go stealth archer?

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Kloe_Rinz
09/07/23 10:20:37 AM
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The game is big so please understand thats why we dont do any QC at all ever
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Hayame_Zero
09/07/23 10:21:48 AM
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A better question is why people complain about combat and buginess in Bethesda games, but praise Obsidian, who are WAY worse than Bethesda for bugs and jank.

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Smashingpmkns
09/07/23 10:22:45 AM
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Why does genuine criticism of their games always get deflected with "oh so you never liked Bethesda games? Lolok"

Some real Game Freak brain going on in these topics

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R_Jackal
09/07/23 10:24:20 AM
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TetsuoS2 posted...
bethesda has successfully outsourced making a complete game to the public.
This pretty much. Always wait like a year to buy a new Bethesda game, all the community fixes, script extenders and what they enable, and QOL mods will make the game actually good.
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PraetorXyn
09/07/23 10:29:38 AM
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R_Jackal posted...
This pretty much. Always wait like a year to buy a new Bethesda game, all the community fixes, script extenders and what they enable, and QOL mods will make the game actually good.
This right here. Ive said repeatedly Im not interested in any Bethesda game until theres a script extender and plenty of mods.

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Freddie_Mercury
09/07/23 10:37:21 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Why does genuine criticism of their games always get deflected with "oh so you never liked Bethesda games? Lolok"

Some real Game Freak brain going on in these topics
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/5/5/AAcjXVAADwd7.jpg

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ssb_yunglink2
09/07/23 10:42:03 AM
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Heineken14 posted...
*sees everyone and their grandma knock any Bethesda game that comes out for shitty combat*

DO they get a pass?
The games are extremely critically and commercially successful yet the combat has not gotten better, or even changed that much throughout the years. Yes, outside of dying message boards the combat clearly gets a pass.
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ssb_yunglink2
09/07/23 10:43:44 AM
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Tsukasa1891 posted...
Didn't almost everyone go stealth archer?
Everyone goes stealth archer so you dont have to actually deal with skyrims combat lol.
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Touch
09/07/23 10:44:59 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Why does genuine criticism of their games always get deflected with "oh so you never liked Bethesda games? Lolok"

Some real Game Freak brain going on in these topics
It's also odd that the excuse is to "gain clout" on fucking gamefaqs lmao

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Questionmarktarius
09/07/23 10:46:57 AM
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haloiscoolisbak posted...
Skyrim came out pre Dark souls really revolutionising medieval melee combat right?
Is Dark Souls doing anything Ocarina of Time didn't do already?
You can't just go ham, you have to wait until the enemy lets you attack it.
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pauIie
09/07/23 10:48:02 AM
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they like the rest of the experience enough to deal with however good or bad the combat mechanics are.

bethesda mechanics don't bother me as much in their shooty games as much as they do in their sword and magic games.

haloiscoolisbak posted...
Skyrim came out pre Dark souls really revolutionising medieval melee combat right?

I feel like the next elder scrolls game will get a bit more in depth with swordplay
dark souls actually came out before skyrim.

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Cocytus
09/07/23 10:50:13 AM
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monkeykid453 posted...
This is the main reason I couldnt play Skyrim. The combat just felt so garbage
Just mad cause you took an arrow to the knee.


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Smashingpmkns
09/07/23 10:50:40 AM
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Touch posted...
It's also odd that the excuse is to "gain clout" on fucking gamefaqs lmao
I made all of my gamefaqs friends by talking shit on Bethesda's bad game mechanics

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brestugo
09/07/23 11:08:34 AM
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Freddie_Mercury posted...
small indie studio please understand


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Seaman_Prime
09/07/23 11:16:45 AM
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I liked the combat in Oblivion because you could just pump up your speed stat and you can just outmove everyones attacks
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Rikishi
09/07/23 11:19:03 AM
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And given a pass for making a new next Gen game run 30 fps only instead of 60
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GuerrillaSoldier
09/07/23 11:25:55 AM
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is this another dark souls topic
might as well complain that bethesda makes terrible bullethell games too


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Smashingpmkns
09/07/23 11:28:07 AM
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I just got to the first combat encounter in Starfield. I'm sure it gets better but that was the worst combat in a Bethesda game I've ever played. Also I had to go through 3 different menus to pick up a gun and equip it right before the encounter. Weird design choice.

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MisterPengy
09/07/23 11:29:28 AM
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Skyrim melee combat is literally minecraft level of trading hits until one of you dies

I mean, you don't play Skyrim for its combat system. The game is about exploring and building a character. The fun is going from struggling against any random bandit to becoming strong enough to wreck a bandit marauder in full heavy armor.

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